RLM has deteriorated in quality hard over the past almost year now. I won't be surprised if they continue this kind of argument if they comment on it. They really have become hack frauds.
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RLM has deteriorated in quality hard over the past almost year now. I won't be surprised if they continue this kind of argument if they comment on it. They really have become hack frauds.
I swear, if they remake Witness for the Prosecution with an all female cast, me and the other Wilder-heads are gonna lose it!
Just wait till Wilma Wonka's Chocolate Factory with poor Charlene and her grandmother. Also including Michelle Tweet, Vernon Salt, Agnes Gloop, and so on.
BocoDragon
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I get it.
This is the mindset I just don't get. The movie studio is not trying to fight MRA douches. They are trying to make money lol.
My point is if a side-effect is that it triggers these whiny crybabies, that's all good by me.
Common Knowledge
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This reads like such a parody I was confused as to whether it was a joke article poking fun at the actual MGTOW crap. Apparently it isn't though....
"Online adventure". Ha ha holy crap. Keep on fighting the good fight....I guess.
Also, I find it wonderfully ironic that for guys who claim to cut women out of their lives, they spend the entirety of their energy and time looking to spite and insult....women. Hm.
Do you have any data for the comparison of the backlash between Star Wars, Mad Max and Ghostbusters? If I only look at GAF, things seem very, very different.
It is incredibly stupid and misleading, full of quotes/clips that are taken out of context and with an embarassing conspiracy theory bar any evidence, but it seems like a very deliberate and well-constructed attempt at cashing in on the current events. I'm pretty sure they don't actually believe the bullshit they're saying in the video.
adamsappel
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I'm a big fan of "boring," elegiac Westerns. I would love to see the original cut of Billy Bob Thornton's All the Pretty Horses. I wish I'd opted for the 70mm Hateful 8.
You really think recasting is just a cut-and-replace, without significant changes to dialogue or story? It's not a multiplayer model palette swap.
Mad Max got the same MRA backlash, Charlie's Angels was a movie version of a successful tv show that was made because there was no women's detective show, Pretty Woman was originally a very dark script about prostitution, and Wonder Woman was avoided for years because "nobody wants to see women superheroes."
Are you unfamiliar with how Hollywood works? Soon Hollywood will decide that gender swapping itself was a bad idea, not just making bad gender-swapped movies.
Have you seen the original Ocean's 11? The Clooney remake came about because all those dudes excitedly got together to watch the Rat Pack version and realized what a piece of crap it was.
alfredofroylan
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I haven't seen any data for this, but The Force Awaken got this peculiar picture.
Not sure who is actually being triggered here...
It seems like we went from "don't feed the trolls" to lets give the trolls a megaphone, link to their disgusting blogs, and re-tweet the hell out of their sexist crap.
Corronchilejano
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I'm doing my best.
Has the "Let us ignore the problem" approach ever worked?
Oh please. Us being amused by these pathetic manchildren being triggered by women existing =/= us being "triggered".
Is the problem trolls or hollywood? Who is actually making casting decisions?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
When the problem is 5 people on twitter who don't matter just saying words? Yes.
If social justice is about correcting all the fringe beliefs on twitter, good luck everyone.
TwEE-N-Toast
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If you know a better way to avoid dog shit then smearing it all over yourself and wrastling random passerbys then I'd like to hear it.
I find the idea that we should not discuss sexist or racist remarks in general very bizarre and you framing it as people trying to "correct" others is downright asinine.
"Don't talk about sexism or racism and it'll go away" just does not work.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
The only thing I'm "correcting" anyone on (that's your term, I'm just sharing my view) is proportion.
As long as you know that this story is coming to you from a sensationalized clickbait article created by deep diving into a fringe hashtag, that's on you.
A Link to the Past
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Hollywood from day fucking one has been pandering to men. But apparently everything's gone to shit because we've had two all-women reboots.
Further, I should also note how appropriate it is that you're making these complaints while also demonstrating that you aren't really someone who pays attention to this general problem if you think that Mad Max didn't get gender-based hate/opposition. Shit, even Episode VII got it (and even worse with how Rey was talked about in normal conversation as being a "Mary Sue."
Amazing.
excelsiorlef
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Because there's only 8 on the cast that's why.
This is one of the most pathetic things I've read ever.
I'm all for these kinds of reboots, but did the author really have to say that it's good because now it can pass the Bechdel test? To me, its a worthless standard. Just because women in a movie have a conversation about something that isn't about men doesn't mean that it automatically has a better portrayal of women characters. Legally Blonde passes the Bechdel Test, and I doubt that anyone would argue for that movie having strong, independent female characters whose existence doesn't center around men. Meanwhile, Run Lola Run doesn't pass the Bechdel test. And I'd certainly say that the latter did more for women in movies than Legally Blonde.
The goal of including women in movies should be to give them roles in which they have personal agency and are not just an attraction or a sidepiece. Rebooting Ocean's 11 like they are planning to is a cool idea and I want to see how it pans out. But saying that its a victory for feminism that more movies can pass the Bechdel test diminishes the actual goal and point of doing all of this in the first place.
The goal of including women in movies should be to give them roles in which they have personal agency and are not just an attraction or a sidepiece. Rebooting Ocean's 11 like they are planning to is a cool idea and I want to see how it pans out. But saying that its a victory for feminism that more movies can pass the Bechdel test diminishes the actual goal and point of doing all of this in the first place.
A Link to the Past
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There can be multiple reasons to do something like this. Wanting to do better according to the Bechdel Test can be one of these things.
This may as well be the tagline for MGTOW.
"MGTOE, where the only enjoyment in life is dry chicken breast (heh)"
Acerac
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When did they say that?
I went to watch the original after I'd seen the Clooney version, thinking "oh man I definitely wanna see this slick clever cool dudes movie but with the Rat Pack!" but then the original was so bad and boring. What a letdown.
That's interestingly what made it such a good canidate for a remake imo.
Hard to live up to a classic.
Morrigan Stark
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Sorcerer
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Maybe I am just confused. Its Oceans 8 then? If so then no problem. I thought they were literally going to make Oceans 11 (the specific movie) over again with a female cast.
HP_Wuvcraft
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They know exactly what they are writing. They just see women as subhuman.
I'll be sure to remember these tweets when the narrative eventually becomes "we hate it because it's bad, not because it has women in it. They're just calling us sexist for no reason"
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weird.
i think ghostbusters is fine, but oceans anything shouldnt ever be thought about again, 11 was cool and the rest were stinkers. Just seems like a poor idea and now i have to be reminded about how this movie got run into the ground by shrill sexists for however long production will take :/
i think ghostbusters is fine, but oceans anything shouldnt ever be thought about again, 11 was cool and the rest were stinkers. Just seems like a poor idea and now i have to be reminded about how this movie got run into the ground by shrill sexists for however long production will take :/
excelsiorlef
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Yeah it is Ocean's 8
TwiztidElf
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#FictionHowDoesThatWork?
Dusk Soldier
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No, you're right. I shouldn't have used the word "movement." This thing is just a silly hashtag that was trending for a bit.
Well yeah. TV tropes has a huge article on the phenomenon, it's called "Executive meddling."
Regarding super hero movies: you can pick any thread about the X-Men/Spider-Man movies on GAF and you'll find dozens upon dozens of posters calling for Sony/Fox to give the IPs back to marvel. All the DCU films so far have gotten heavy backlash as well.
And Star Wars has a whole contingent of fans that refuse to acknowledge the prequel trilogy was ever made.
Sequelitis has been an issue in Hollywood for decades. The only thing that is different in this situation is that Hollywood thought it could escape the usual backlash by gender swapping the lead roles.
You are the very first person to propose this. And it is a little bit insane.
Since when get sequels per se backlash in a meaningful manner?
BocoDragon
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Looks like basically no one is even complaining about the movie. It's basically a comedy hashtag.
This doesn't show bigotry. It shows how many bad amateur comedians there are.
I don't mind the larger conversation about gender representation, but when people barely read their HuffPo clickbait pieces about a bunch of trolls half heartedly farting their comedy bits into a tweet form and making it out to be some organized hate campaign, I feel we aren't talking about reality anymore.
heliosRAzi
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That's alright. Still, it's just a gimmick. If they were just going to make a heist film with an all-female cast, I don't think there would be any backlash to it.
You are giving sexists the benefit of doubt. Thats inspirational.
heliosRAzi
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Have you seen Set It Off, yet?
Messofanego
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It's interesting how Set It Off didn't create much of a backlash but back in the 90s, black culture and hip hop was gigantic so a film with black female leads didn't seem that out of the ordinary. This interview with one of the screenwriters, Takashi Bufford, explains it:
Why is that we don’t have as many black films on screen as we did in the 90s?
TB: Well, back then we had a lot of films that studios wanted. For the last 4 or 5 years, we’ve had primarily Tyler Perry and everybody is on his bandwagon, which limits the scope of the black experience that’s expressed through film. I think bootlegging is another economic issue that undermines the black films. Additionally, it seems that P & A and its cost has caused many black films to go straight to DVD. When you take that combination of factors, we can see why there’s such a dearth of black films today.
TB: Well, back then we had a lot of films that studios wanted. For the last 4 or 5 years, we’ve had primarily Tyler Perry and everybody is on his bandwagon, which limits the scope of the black experience that’s expressed through film. I think bootlegging is another economic issue that undermines the black films. Additionally, it seems that P & A and its cost has caused many black films to go straight to DVD. When you take that combination of factors, we can see why there’s such a dearth of black films today.
It wasn't based on a known property, either, so nerds wouldn't lash out. I'd love there to be another black female action movie in modern times.
Set It Off was rejected 3 times by the studio at first though because they didn't think black males would identify:
Was there resistance getting the film off the ground?
TB: I thought there was a hungry market. When we took ‘Set It Off’ to New Line Cinema, they rejected it three times and the reason they rejected it is that they thought black males would not support a film with gunslinging black females. That obviously proved not to be true.
TB: I thought there was a hungry market. When we took ‘Set It Off’ to New Line Cinema, they rejected it three times and the reason they rejected it is that they thought black males would not support a film with gunslinging black females. That obviously proved not to be true.
Blackfilm: ‘Set It Off’ 15 Years Later
Langdon Alger
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The people posting those tweets are scum, but I wonder if this is another case of the media trying to make it seem like a few thousand people are actually some sort of giant movement.
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