So what is everyone's expectations on Jared Leto's Joker?

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I think it will cause my excitement for the sequel to be
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I think the marketing where they play up how crazy is stupid, but I think he'll actually be good, atleast better than Nicholson.

Cap Boomerang gun steal the show tho.
 
Visually he looks awful, like a 50 year old's conception of what an 18-year old finds "cool."

But Leto is a good actor, so as long as he makes the character his own and doesn't just do a Jim Carrey impersonation the whole film like Eisenberg did, he'll be fine.
 
Sorry to keep beating the dead horse but the tats are the only thing that bother me.

The costumes, hair, bleached skin, etc are all on point. Considering Jack looked like he was wearing 8 pounds of makeup and Heath was more of a 90's punk Joker. Find it funny people bring up hot topic when Heath joker merchandise was fucking everywhere.

Leto is a great actor. I was one of the first Batfleck supporters and look how well that went!
 
Killing_Joke said:
Sorry to keep beating the dead horse but the tats are the only thing that bother me.

The costumes, hair, bleached skin, etc are all on point. Considering Jack looked like he was wearing 8 pounds of makeup and Heath was more of a 90's punk Joker. Find it funny people bring up hot topic when Heath joker merchandise was fucking everywhere.

Leto is a great actor. I was one of the first Batfleck supporters and look how well that went!
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I'm with you on that, his tats make him look more like a Joker fan-boy or the Joker's right hand man.
 
Ledger will always be the best and the movie won't be in the same league as Nolan's trilogy.

Leto is a fine actor though and I'm sure he will do a solid job.
 
Dash_Riprock said:
Visually he looks awful, like a 50 year old's conception of what an 18-year old finds "cool."

But Leto is a good actor, so as long as he makes the character his own and doesn't just do a Jim Carrey impersonation the whole film like Eisenberg did, he'll be fine.
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Snyder going with Lex's son was the wrong choice from the get-go. Then Eisenberg made the character to be a stuttering mess.

Easily the worst character in BvS.
 
I think all the jokers to date have been absolutely phenomenal in their roles. Each felt very in place for the world and theme the movies were going for. Both Jokers delivered a role perfect for those films and i cant see anyone else having done better.

That said I think Leto has a very tough act to live up to. If they do a good job fitting this style joker into the world and theme of the movie I feel that Leto can be remembered for that.
 
He is just a different interpretation of the Joker, he can be very good but still not able to top Ledger, and he does not have to.

Better to just try to keep an open mind
 
Sub Boss said:
He is just a different interpretation of the Joker, he can be very good but still not able to top Ledger, and he does not have to.

Better to just try to keep an open mind
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To be honest though. It seems Joker will be a side character in this. Kind of like Spiderman was in Civil War. So it's pretty much impossible to top Heath, considering how big his role in TDK was.

That said, Affleck's own Batman movie with Leto Joker might be the only superhero movie that has potential to top TDK.
 
I think he will be an awesome joker, but I hate the design. The grill and the tattoos are super lame, but he is a great actor so I think he will pull it off. I just hate the direction they went with the character.
 
Schattenjäger;209761450 said:
I remember when he was first shown, there was a lot of backlash .. And I think it was rightfully deserved but after seeing more and more pics, it seems he may be able to pull it off


I still don't think he will dethrone Heath.. Too big of a task
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He seems to have gone far beyond DeNiro, Christian Bale, Daniel Day-Lewis, and the great method actors in their prime. Leto was sending bullets to cast and crew and going far beyond normal social conduct to maintain character, so his performance in Suicide Squad has the potential to be absolutely legendary.
 
Why is there a need to compare Jared to Ledger's joker? Both movies have different tone and direction. If Jared's intepretation is inline on how the sucide squad goes in tone and direction then I can expect it to be ok to great.

If you were to put Ledger's joker in Tim Burton's Batman it wouldn't have work well because it's campy and gothic nature.
 
I think Leto will be fine . As long as Leto is viscous but colorful in his performance I'll be happy; like a mix of Elysiums Agent Kruger and Batman the animated series' Joker . Ledger played a very cool Joker but he was grounded and never seemed too crazy to me. I'm ready to see something a bit more cartoony and over the top from Leto but still violent as fuck
 
What did he mean by this? said:
The Joker is like a force of nature, an avatar of chaos. When you stare into that abyss, the abyss stares back. Leto better be careful diving into his inner darkness, it's hard to get back to the surface. And once your back, you can never truly wash away the filth. Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the sanest of them all?
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What did he mean by this?
 
He will never be able to top Ledger unless he wears a nurse disguise that no one can see through, and goes through the movie repeating "I dont have a plan" while executing his plan.
 
I'm beginning to feel it's very difficult to mess up live action Joker. It's such an over the top performance it would be difficult to over act with the character. I know it's a small sample size but whether it's Cesar Romero, Nicholson, or Ledger they have all nailed their versions. Now Leto could prove me wrong but I'd say he'll be a safe bet to be as good the other three.
 
Relevant to this thread,
Collider posted their set visit and interview with the cast this week. Here's the nterview with Ayer about Leto and Joker:
Can you talk about how you direct Jared as he’s method acting? How do you direct someone who is in the character of The Joker?

AYER: It’s interesting because Jared is one of the first people I cast in this, and so those conversations and the character development, how to build this character have a lot of history between us. I understand how he’s built the character. I understand what he’s doing. It’s a little bit of like I know the magic trick. I know how the rabbit is hidden in the hat before you pull it out. He’s very professional and we’ve had a lot of discussions about his journey and his mindset in what are the pieces that become this character. As far as our on-set work it’s fantastic because, a little more of this, a little less of that, a little more of this secret ingredient here and a little less of that secret ingredient.

Plus the guy’s a rock star. He’s a bona fide rock star and so he has this incredible sense of presence, innate performance but also an incredible musicality about what he’s doing. He’s really found the voice of this character and I think people are going to be surprised because even though there’s some new visual elements to the Joker, when you see him on screen in aggregate as the character, I think it’s going to be hard for anyone to ever imagine anyone else as the Joker.

Can you talk about the decision to tackle Joker, coming off of the Heath Ledger performance? Was that always your intention with this project to do that? And can you talk a little bit about coming up with the look for him? I mean, obviously you’re online and you see that it’s getting a divisive response from the tattoos.

AYER: Yeah, that’s the thing. It’s definitely, the Joker’s sort of the third rail of the DC Comics world, right? And Heath and his work is in the Pantheon. That shouldn’t preclude reinvention. It’s the most iconic bad guy in any medium. For me, what an incredible opportunity to reinvent, to have some fun with the character, and to use him in the role of Suicide Squad, and that’s what’s so fun about what Warners is doing with the DC universe now is cross-connecting these films so that different characters can enter and leave and go through these doors and have these worlds link up.

We came at it with an incredible respect for the history of the Joker, and I’ve read every freaking comic. If you look at—I grew up on the Batman TV show, the Adam West TV show. Look at the incarnation of the Joker in that, look at how the Joker has evolved. So I don’t think we should freeze him in ice and never let him evolve with us as we evolve as an audience. As far as visual development of Joker, I wanted a guy who felt like he had history and he wears his history. This is a guy with some prowess and presence in the criminal world and I want him to feel like a modern day criminal. I want him to feel like someone that you believe could emerge from today’s underworld.
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Sojgat said:
No. I'm familiar with the film's production history and the people making it. Snyder isn't directing this, but his creative choices have been shaping the DC cinematic universe from the start. Suicide Squad is still a part of that shared universe, and as such is still going to be informed on some level by the movies that have gone before it.

WB seems to be course correcting pretty hard, and Ayer could very well knock the movie out of the park (the trailers have looked great after all). I'm still going to be concerned until I've seen the finished product though.
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This excerpt should calm you:
How does the fact that this movie exists in a larger cinematic universe affect your take on it or how you direct it, or does it?

AYER: It’s interesting. I’m sharing some assets with other movies and some things I’m doing will be established and then sort of handed—there will be a baton passed to other directors and other projects. But it’s like no one handed me a style guide. Nobody handed me a manual and said, “These are the numbers you’ve got to hit.” I’ve had really an open hand to develop this world, but I’ve worked with Zack. I’ve talked with Zack. I know what Zack’s doing on his movies and how this will interface. So it’s being respectful of his work and as I say, I’m just standing at the shoulders of giants here. So many people have come before me in the genre, I really feel blessed to be able to play in this world and then to be able to spin off the bad kids version is just a lot of fun for me.
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Not sure, I'm always sceptic of extreme designs, which is what this Joker seems to be, at least in the trailer I have watched.

Sure, could also be just an 80's punk but I think they wanted to make his design shocking/appalling and at the same time reminicent of the "cool" punk aesthetics of past times (maybe I'm wrong on that).

I like it when villains are not looking outright dangerous or intimidating but when they show their character to the audience then they destroy the preconceptions the audience had right before that. If their villainy is expressed strongly enough through their demeanor (I guess Jared Leto is a good enough actor to be able to do this) this creates a nice clash of expectation in the viewers mind, makes the character uncompfortable to watch on the screen. There are examples of this in other movies such as Gary Oldmans character in Léon: The Professional etc.

To be fair, Heath Ledgers Joker wasn't exactly that, but he was looking relatively normal compared to other Joker depictions but he also had the intimidating demeanor to make me uncompfortable when he was interacting with other people in the movie.

I don't know much about 'Suicide Squad', never read the comics, but if you dump many shady characters in one movie then it get's harder for the main villain to stand out, maybe that's why they went with this design. I don't expect this Joker to be the best incarnation of the character because of this. Doesn't mean I think it will be trash though.
 
It's a different take on Joker and that's fine. Jared Letho has been great in pretty much all his previous roles so I have faith that he'll do fine here as well.
 
I think he's going to pull it off. He comes across as super creepy, and the torture thing definitely feels threatening.

And I'm ready to backlash against the "lol Hot Topic tattoos" backlash. Enough already, we get it. You want everybody to know that you're a more sophisticated comic book movie fan than your average mall teen. Now back to your Pokemon game.
 
I think Jared Leto is actually an insane asshole:

io9:Jared Leto Has a Fucking Ridiculous Idea for How the Joker Would Do an Interview

Rolling Stone:Jared Leto: The Unlikely Triumphs of a Rock-Star Movie Star

Predictably, Leto’s process got weird fast. He started watching footage of actual violent crimes on YouTube, until he had to stop himself. “The Joker is incredibly comfortable with acts of violence,” says Leto. “I was watching real violence, consuming that. There’s a lot you can learn from seeing it. Not every act of violence is committed with frenzy, either. I remember learning that. People can be calm. They’ve made their choice and go and do something, and it’s not in a frenzy.” His eyes have gone cold. “It’s methodical and sometimes even hypnotic and deliberate.”
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Or how about the fact that Leto sent what he calls “used condoms” to the cast? Which, by the way, director David Ayer disputes. (They were apparently just unwrapped condoms.) Ayer still didn’t like it, telling Rolling Stone, “And, of course, I was mortified. Like, ‘Jared, put that stuff away—get that out of here, what are you doing?’” So the man who made his cast punch each other was upset by Leto’s behavior. Let that sink in.

And yet, the part of the article that is the most uncomfortable is early one where, apparently with no prompting, Leto says, “If the Joker did this interview, he’d definitely castrate you and make you eat your own testicles. Just for fun. That’s if he liked you.”

There’s a point at which this stops feeling like method acting and starts sounding like a man using acting as an excuse to fuck with people. Viola Davis should have pepper sprayed him when she had the chance.
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I'm sure he'll give a good performance. I'm also sure I won't be able to take it even a little seriously with DAMAGED staring back at me the entire time.
 
TP-DK said:
He will never be able to top Ledger unless he wears a nurse disguise that no one can see through, and goes through the movie repeating "I dont have a plan" while executing his plan.
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TBF it was established that Joker was lying throughout the film for his own personal ends. Why people took whatever he said litterally made no sense. This is the guy who told two completely different versions of his backstory two different people. He says whatever works, not neccesarily the truth. The two-face speech is full of that. It was perfectly tailored to push dent over the edge.
 
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