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So what is it people have against those so-called teeny angsty bands?

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Catalyst

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Ill Saint said:
Which is why they pander to the mainstream? Please. If you're gonna talk Punk, at least wrap your ears around the real shit.
You sir are quite the example of what punk isn't. "Punk" is what you make of it, not what it's "supposed" to be. I am not contradicting myself in this and here's why: I told what *I* thought what "punk" was. That doesn't necessarily make it correct.

What was once punk can still be punk, it's a progressive genre, and you don't have to like it, like I don't have to like rap.

thats it!
none of these are bands are to be taken seriously! so why are ya asking??
I think you need to look up the word "discernment," man.
 

Ill Saint

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Catalyst said:
You sir are quite the example of what punk isn't. "Punk" is what you make of it, not what it's "supposed" to be. I am not contradicting myself in this and here's why: I told what *I* thought what "punk" was. That doesn't necessarily make it correct.

What was once punk can still be punk, it's a progressive genre, and you don't have to like it, like I don't have to like rap.
Hahaha please... progressive. More like regressive. Know the history of the music, where it came from, what it stood for... if you did, you'd see that this stuff you call "Punk" today is the antithesis or everything the movement was all about. Don't patronise me when you clearly have no clue whatsoever about the genre.
 

Volt

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Catalyst said:
Heh. A lot of bands rip off others. Not necessarily a bad thing (although the middle guitar riff in "Stay Together For the Kids" by Blink 182 is a blatant rip-off of the super-duper-mega-outro of The Ataris' "Summer Wind Was Always Our Song")...but it seems as if it's the cool thing to spill your heart out in the form of music. To learn the guitar, bass, and drums isn't pariticularly an easy thing. But as a music enthusiast, punk rock is only a label. Punk can't even be described, but if I could, it's about anarchy, about nonconformity, about the way "things should be," and honesty. As fake as these bands may seem, they speak the truth and touch a lot of key issues. It's about being yourself, and not being afraid to be.

Some people just don't like hearing it.

Oh yes, there are some positive rap groups. I've studied my stuff. However, they're rare.

Well okay, but believe me, most people here won't have problems with the message these bands are trying to bring forward. But one way to define punk is by saying what it's not, and I'm pretty sure that 99% of Sex Pistols/The Damned/Black Flag/Fugazi/Refused fans will tell you that these emo bands are NOT what they would call punk rock. Basically, punk rock almost never focuses on personal emotions, instead speaking out for a large group of young people that feel restricted because of social, economical, moral and political decisions that they feel don't represent them.

It's okay to make joke songs like Blink182 do, it's okay to make catchy riff-driven tracks like Sum41 or Ataris etc.., but I do believe it's pretty wrong to call them punk rock. I bet they do touch a lot of key issues about life and emotions experienced therein, but I'm also rather confident that most emotions had already been brilliantly described by many many artists in the past, and that this fact alone does not make these emo rock bands great or even particularly good. To name just one band that did the "I've been through a lot, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna be all depressed about it" schtick, maybe you could check out Lou Barlow's Sebadoh (and/or The Folk Implosion). Same kinds of emotions, much better lyrically IMO, and with a less "look at me, I'm rocking !!" attitude. Just a suggestion, of course.
 

Ill Saint

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Jim Bowie said:
Ill: Sure, punk rock is a self-depreciative form of music, but is it completely dead? I'm curious to your opinion.
Well, Punk mentality is not dead... it's more about spirit these days, in my opinion. For me, Punk for the most part (in the traditional musical sense) died a long time ago, but groups like Minor Threat, Fugazi, The Pixies and stuff like Nirvana had a Punk ethic to them. Even some electronic labels like Underground Resistance, Bunker, Ambush, Bloody Fist, early DHR etc. keep this spirit alive... rough tunes, totally DIY don't-give'a-fuck attitude, music made on old, broken machines, illegal parties etc. That to me is Punk.

Now, these little Pop-Punkers who sing about their allegedly miserable lives, hating on "the man" and so on, yet at the same time are milking MTV, releasing on major labels, charging a fortune for tickets to fill big stadiums, wearing designer clothes, etc. etc. is fake bullshit. No way around it. My penis is more punk than those dudes.
 

Jim Bowie

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Ill: Exactly how I feel. If kids can still contain the punk spirit, I think (even in white class middle suburbia) that they can start a band and rock the fuck out.

As long as the punk spirit is alive and kicking, we'll still have these pop-punk bandwagoners. But every so often, a band will come along and reinvigorate my hope in the genre. So I wait, patiently, for these bands to come along. And Cata, you should do the same. Don't settle for garbage.
 
What's with all the 'making love to my beloved' crap?


I can think of a few good reasons to hate teen angst bands. First, they take up all the airtime on radio and TV. It's annoying because I like watching videos and listening to a decent rotation of music but not what's being played. I'm also annoyed that a lot of the stores I go into and a lot of people who drive by/near me are playing it so it's hard to ignore.

Other than those, it is terribly disappointing that the great bands that I love (typically) get little attention.


As for not-so-good reasons: I fucking hate most of the people that listen to these bands (they're annoying if not downright embarrassing - much more-so than the bands themselves) and it's fun to be a elitist prick and mercilessly make fun of people.
 
If all we cared about was the message and the meaning behind the lyrics, then we'd just listen to poetry. However, I listen to music not only for the lyrics, but also the music itself, the talent behind it, the experimentation, the originality. While lyrics are important, they are not the only facet of the music. Thus, the reason we dislike many of the bands is in the music itself. I agree that many of these bands have a good message, but the music lacks originality and ingenuity. And honestly, bands like Linkin Park don't have a very good message, it's just maudlin, cheesy, "I'm not good at anything, everyone hates me" crap. And if they do have a good message, they often repeat it over and over again. People don't make music just to spread a message, they do it to express themselves, tell a story, and make something they view as beautiful and powerful. I'm not saying this just as a fan, but also as a musician.

Also, in your comments about hip hop, the majority of the popular music is terrible, but there are groups below the radar of radio and television that are incredibly talented, original, and provide a good message. Deltron 3030, Kool Keith, and Dalek to name a few. Dalek especially has beautiful lyrics; they are, in true meaning, poetry. Deltron is very intelligent, and often talks about how he tries to use rap as an art form while so many else out there use it for image and just imitate others instead of making original thought.

Finally, most people (at least the good ones) who listen to obscure music, do so because they like the music. Anyone that listens to an unknown group just becaue they're unknown is as big of a "poser" as someone who likes mainstream music just because it's popular. These groups have incredible talent, not to mention values, ingenuity and soul.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
Catalyst said:
Heh, don't get me wrong, I hate all music that doesn't relate to an outcome of a positive message. Or a message to get through things. That's why I'm equating a lot of bad things with rap.

Clint Eastwood plays fictional roles, however, 50 cents and his dumbass "find me in da club," which insists on saying DA instead of "THE"...what the shit? Or what about Eminem singing about killing Kim? Or talking bad shit about his mother? I can talk about country music and all of it sounding the same.

But that's just my opinion....I've just been curious as to why people think it's so cool to put down rock these days, and then go on to glamorize (c)rap/hip-hop.

You still can't wrap your head around my point huh? You don't think Ice T ever really killed a cop and then wrote a song about it do you? It's fictional, some would even dare to call it... poetry.
 

nitewulf

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and why are you making love to your beloved while listening to a band called "trapt"??
go download "lullaby" and "close to me" by the cure. hell next time play the whole disintegration album while making love to your beloved. then you might finally get with the program.
 
Are you guys making fun of my tight pants, and dyed black hair?

And with the list of bands the original poster decided to use to make his point... I'm not suprised how the thread went.
 

xsarien

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Catalyst said:
That's their motive, it isn't like they're acting stupid on purpose.

Well, no shit. They're acting stupid and they don't realize it, I've maintained this position all along.
 

Cool

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Read through all of this and people brought up "punk rock" a lot. Don't even bring it in to conversation. I've learned to just ignore the comparison. Those bands are just the new trend, Thrice, Story of the Year, and what have you. It's like the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC in the late 90's.

Yeah.
 
and why are you making love to your beloved while listening to a band called "trapt"??
go download "lullaby" and "close to me" by the cure. hell next time play the whole disintegration album while making love to your beloved. then you might finally get with the program.

This man speaks the truth.
 

SKluck

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Eh, I like what appeals to my ears. Honestly, 80% of it for me is the sound, 20% lyrics. Most people have a problem with the lyrics or the "modified" voices of the singers to make them sound better.

Some people like that. I can dig it. Fuck, I'll even listen to Cher's "I Believe" because of that weird shit they do to her voice is kind of cool.

Writing lyrics isn't the easiest thing to do, so mad props to those that can do it and not sound like retards.

Though some people are just douchebags regardless of what they sound like or write, i.e. Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, Radiohead, etc.

Yes, I did just group those bands together.
 

Catalyst

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Hahaha. You people are so dumb. So "punk" is supposed to be about Bad Religion, Sex Pistols, Danzig, Misfits, whatever? The people who defined punk music are what punk is? I'm sorry to say, that's entirely untrue. Punk is a progressive genre. And it all has one thing in common...

No matter who it is, no matter how it sounds, most of it, or at least what I listened to, is this:

Volt said:
instead speaking out for a large group of young people that feel restricted because of social, economical, moral and political decisions that they feel don't represent them.
A lot of bands these days do speak out like this, they really, and the lot of you ignore it for the most part and write it off as MTV music :lol :lol. You may not like it, or what they sing about, but I've turned into this kind of person Volt is describing...that's what this music has done for me. Unrestricted. No boundaries.

I quit this thread, though, I'm winning no fans because people think it's absolutely cool and so RAD to pick on "new" stuff. Can't break what you dudes are indoctrinated into, and it's a pity. No use trying to get people to understand...no use teaching an old cat new tricks.

Oh well, it was worth a try.
 
Catalyst: you seem pretty young, from your behavior and unwillingness to listen to what anyone is saying. People aren't rejecting these bands because they can't understand or accept their message. They are rejecting them because these bands do not have a message. A message is when someone tells you what they want to say, but these bands just tell you what you want to hear. They have no ethic, no philosophy, no guiding light beyond "make music and sound angsty." They are completely unredeemable crap. There's nothing "new" about these bands at all! In their total carbon-copying of previous styles and images, they were old and busted before their first radio single ever hit. They are the Acclaim 16-bit licensed platformers to Miyamoto's true goodness. Please, go listen to some real music. The Clash and The Ramones would be good places to start.
 

Diablos

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Ghosts come in the middle of the night and go 'boo'. AND INTO THE EYES OF A JACKYL, I SAY KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BOOM!
 

nitewulf

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Cyan said:
holy shit, thats one of the funniest things i have ever read around here. really.
and jackfrost is on point.
also, you are mistaken if you think we dont like "new" music. just check any of the weekly "what are you listening to" threads. mostly we are listening to new music.
 

karasu

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I can't really hate on these dinky little bands. They suck, but I can't be arsed to complain about them. Because in a post MTV world what's popular will always be pretty bad. It sucked when popular music was all about big hair and bland love songs, it sucked when it was about pretending to be evil and shredding, it sucked when it was about Gangsta rap, it sucked when it was all about anorexic suburban guys whining about their lives, and it sucks now with it's lip synching and two stepping. Same shit different day.
 
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