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[Oersted]

The other guys are eligible for parole next year, wtf?

Military court, Americans won't be held accountable for warcrimes...

 

[boingball]

Green said in October. "I'm not a victim, but I haven't been treated fairly"

If anything, the other soldiers haven't been treated fairly.
Wtf at being eligible for parole next year.

I am against the death sentence, but I wonder why he was spared one. If he had raped a 14year old white american girl and killed her afterwards he would have gotten the death penalty for sure.


This is another example why the War on Terror will never succeed and in fact will increase terrorism.

 

[Kirlia]

Green shot and killed the teen's mother, father and sister, then followed Cortez and Barker in raping the girl before shooting her in the face. Her body was set on fire.
...
"I was punished out of proportion to everybody else," Green said in October. "I'm not a victim, but I haven't been treated fairly. Not even remotely close. That's all I ever asked for was to be treated the same. They just won't do it. I don't know why."

I fucking wonder why? Hopefully the other two assholes never get out of prison.

 

[dabig2]

The barbarism they displayed that day would have gotten them all death sentences in the US. And if in states that don't do that, it would surely have been consecutive life sentences. The fact that the rest are up for parole in a year is disgusting. None of them deserve to be let back into society for the rest of their lives.

Could you imagine if foreign veterans had done that to a US American family in America? Lynch mob would have made sure it wouldn't go to trial while the xenophobia against that country would increase.

 

[genjiZERO]

I can tell you that reason is bullshit. Most join so they can use the Post 9/11 Bill for free education after they leave the military, so they don't end up owing 300k in student loan debt like yourself.

I dunno, that's just what they talked about on the episode... Here's a link to the transcript (which has a link to the audio). The episode is Good Guys, and in particular it's Act Four: Deep Dark Open Secret

An excerpt:

You do learn to-- they do teach you to want that [to kill people]. You yearn for that in basic training, or at least infantry basic training. Just over and over again, the only success you ever have is hitting a target or winning a fight in basic training.

Everything else you do you're criticized for. But if you do those things, you're doing good. And the interaction you have with the drill sergeant, most of it is based on killing somebody.

Good memory if you remember my screen name!

It was more about the military training, the purpose of which is to remove the reluctance to kill that society has taught them up to that point.

You mean the podcast? It sounded to me like it was being used as a way for people with predisposed desires to have a forum to act out those desires, and the training provided them with the conditioning to do so.

 

[Machine]

I wouldn't be surprised if his family files a lawsuit as a result of his suicide. Always happens when somebody commits suicide while in custody. Depending on the circumstances, they could stand a good chance of winning to. I suppose it's cheaper to pay them than it would have been to keep him incarcerated for 50 years.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I dunno, that's just what they talked about on the episode... Here's a link to the transcript (which has a link to the audio). The episode is Good Guys, and in particular it's Act Four: Deep Dark Open Secret

An excerpt:

Yeah that is completely true, but that is the point of war. That is why I am completely apposed to using the military for anything but an actual fucking war.

 

[Mackenzie 92]

sounds like he only regretted being caught and punished, not the actual crime.

other guys should be serving life sentences as well. fucking animals.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

I dunno, that's just what they talked about on the episode... Here's a link to the transcript (which has a link to the audio). The episode is Good Guys, and in particular it's Act Four: Deep Dark Open Secret

I corrected you because you said "the desire to kill is pretty common in the military and a reason a lot of people want to join," disregarding the fact that the overall percentage of the military that sees combat is very low.

Most of our military is made up of administrative, logistical, medical, maintenance and supply personnel. Most sailors or airmen never hold or carry a weapon once they get out of boot camp.

For every one combat soldier or Marine, there are about 12 personnel that support him.

It's safe to say that most who enlisted into the Air Force, Navy, or Coast Guard doesn't have the desire to kill someone.

 

[GungHo]

Honest question: do discharged soldiers can join a "security company" like Blackwater?

There's a lot of different kinds of discharges. Honorable ones, sure. That's their recruiting base.

Everything below that gets more difficult and it depends a lot on exigent circumstances. For instance, if you were Generally Discharged for drugs... no, they don't want you.

Big Chicken Dinners and DDs pretty much preclude you from being a functioning member of society if anyone does a background check and cares what they get back. You're basically a felon. Maybe you could do something as part of a work program, but you're sure as shit not gonna get a security job with anyone. Even the Foreign Legion doesn't need you as a bullet stopper in West Africa at that point.

Not only that these soldiers were infantry. To my knowledge, Blackwater only hires prior military that were special forces/special ops at the top of their game.

It really depends on their needs at the time. They have a lot of different jobs, just like the military. Not every job needs Ranger or someone out of Force Recon.

Is this outcome true for ALL dishonorable discharges? Because while it seems just in this case due to the nature of the discharge, I'd bet it could be overly harsh for other situations. Again, the separation between civilian and military justice systems rubs me the wrong way.

You gotta be a major asshole for a DD. Like, you murdered someone, or raped someone, committed grand larceny, or trafficking arms or drugs. You're pretty much the scum of the earth. In this case, the guy murdered a teenage girl. There is no characterization that you can give it beyond that.

 

[Devolution]

Guy was clearly mentally ill. I wonder if he was set to receive any treatment.

During Bush's reign they lowered the standards to get in so all kinds of people washed up with problems who shouldn't have been deployed.

 

[Lamel]

Yeah, good.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Fuck that piece of shit, what kind of a monster do you have to be to murder 3 innocent people, then rape their child then kill the child then burn the body

 

[LuchaShaq]

I don't understand why some people think everyone deserves life. Some people are beyond redemption and should be put down like Old Yeller. It's not about justice or revenge, merely logical.

If someone has no use to society and has proven a lack of respect for other peoples well being, that person should be removed like the cancer they are.

Yup we have 7 billion of us, no need to waste so much money dealing with the worst 1%.

If it wasn't for how often convictions have been proven wrong/how expensive it is I would be 100% pro death penalty.

Whoever caught him should have put a round in his fucking head.

 

[BeerSnob]

He got off easy. Uncle Sam looking after one of his finest again.

The hell does that even mean?

 

[theignoramus]

reminds me of William Calley.

 

[JBourne]

Interesting to hear a man who murdered a family and raped a child to complain about being treated fairly.

 

[Dead Man]

Never pleased when someone is able to do things like that while in prison. I shed no tears for this individual, but better care should be taken.

More like everybody else wasn't punished enough

Pretty much.

 

[Baci]

Look, look at me I'm crying for him.

/sarcasm

 

[Chumly]

Sounds like he was the one that actually killed them so why the fuck wouldn't he be punished more. Not to say the others didn't deserve more punishment

 

[RustyNails]

I hope he choked his own blood, and pissed and shat as he went out.

 

[YaGaMi]

Good riddance!!

 

[Vilam]

Yea but what was he thinking about? Was he remourseful for his actions and couldn't live with the horrors he committed? Or was he just acting in self interest and avoiding living a long life in prison as a sex offender who will be the target of other prisoners?

Who cares if they regret their behavior? Letting them rot in prison with their thoughts isn't about rehabilitation and isn't about them seeing the error in their ways, it's about them developing self loathing for their actions and regretting their choices that led them to their current circumstances even if they only regret them for selfish reasons... let them live in agony with the constant thought of how they fucked up, even if in their warped heads the only thing they fucked up was getting caught.

 

[nailbombxx]

Death is too kind for people like this.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Guy was clearly mentally ill. I wonder if he was set to receive any treatment.

Possibly at some point, but I really don't see any reason to believe a mentally illness had anything to do with his crimes. He was just a monster.

 

[someday]

Three other soldiers — Jesse Spielman, Paul Cortez and James Barker — are serving lengthy sentences in the military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., for their roles in the attack. Each is eligible for parole in 2015.

How is it a "lengthy" sentence when they're eligible for parole next year? None of them should see the light of day ever again.

 

[Jburton]

Good riddance.

 

[Forceatowulf]

former soldier hanged himself at a federal prison where he was serving life sentences for raping and killing a teenage Iraqi girl and using a shotgun to slay her family.

 

[NotMyRealName]

Is this outcome true for ALL dishonorable discharges? Because while it seems just in this case due to the nature of the discharge, I'd bet it could be overly harsh for other situations. Again, the separation between civilian and military justice systems rubs me the wrong way.

I came very close to joining the military once. I was hesitant to join because of my depression, but the recruiter I talked to assured me that if I lied about my history of depression not only would I get in just fine, but that I would have full medical coverage for any future panic attacks/depressive states. I thought he was being a great guy for putting his job on the line in order to get me these great benefits...

The day before I would officially hand in all my papers I decided on a whim to look up the consequences of lying on my application. The result? A dishonorable discharge, fines, possible jail time, and a felony that would follow me around for the rest of my life. All it would've taken was a simple glance at my medical history, and my life would've been over with. So yes, harsh is definitely one way to describe it.

 

[MegaMelon]

On the one hand, I'm glad he took the cowards way out but on the other I would have wanted him to suffer for a long time. See you in hell.

 

[Nyx]

What a coward...

 

[Raiden]

Can you commit a crime more horrible than this? First you slaughter her entire family and then you gangrape a child ..

I literally cant think of anything worse than this.

Too bad he got the easy way out.

 

[Psychotext]

Too bad he got the easy way out.

Too bad the other fucking cowards haven't chosen to join him.

I can't believe those animals will soon be eligible for parole.

 

[Advocatus Diaboli]

Yes because the military doesn't slap dishonorable discharges for nothing. If a military member gets a dishonorable discharge, you can say in high confidence that they 99.99% deserved it.

Edit: There are five types of military discharges:

Honorable
General
Other than Honorable
Bad Conduct
Dishonorable

For a person to earn a dishonorable discharge, the military considered their actions to be reprehensible.

Most likely a general discharge but let's be honest, if it's not honorable, then you're SOL when it comes to getting 100% of VA benefits.

This is 100% false.

The only thing that's explicitly tied to receiving an honorable discharge is the Post-9/11 G.I. Bill.

Also, for most term enlistees, completing one enlistment (and there are several in an enlisted man's career) honorably entitles you to 100% of VA benefits: meaning that, if you do a 4-year stint, but then get discharged, the first 4-year stint still "counts" when the VA makes its own independent determination.

 

[John Kowalski]

Completely understandable, hopefully he found the peace he was looking for. At least he lived long enough to understand what he did.

Guy was clearly mentally ill. I wonder if he was set to receive any treatment.

I do wonder if this was really the case, i have no trouble imagining a sane individual raping and killing under severe distress.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Damn it..LOL! I'm here with a damn tear in my eye, thinking about that poor fucking girl..thanks for the laugh, I guess.

 

[Gattsu25]

Part of me hopes he isn't given a proper burial.