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Sonic the Hedgehog Community Thread: Green Hills and Laughing Iizukas
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BlazeHedgehog
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Really? It locks on like a homing attack. I guess you could miss if you were trying to throw from way far away, but if you're close enough for a homing attack you won't miss a throw.
But, I mean, you could just homing attack.
Professor Beef
Banned
Really? It locks on like a homing attack. I guess you could miss if you were trying to throw from way far away, but if you're close enough for a homing attack you won't miss a throw.
But, I mean, you could just homing attack.
Well yeah, i always relied on homing attack. I was just referring to the couple of times I tried the Magic Hands.
Nocturnowl
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Chemical Plant is insane, marble zone is poop, my instincts were right all along.
Fascinating stuff on the whole though, thanks for bringing it up.
Diablohead
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I dislike that fugly life icon, completely side on just doesn't work.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Just read the first bit, but it's truly a fascinating read. Bedtime reading for sure now. I've always felt that Marble Zone was shite.
Dragoon En Regalia
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Sparks make a good case against Marble Zone Act 1 and designs similar. Too much linearity ain't gonna cut it, which means more varied routes. On the other hand: I'd like to be careful with themed gimmicks, making sure they'll well-placed and interesting to mess around with, little-concerning the sheer quantity of them (although he's probably referring to their total absence in many fan-games).
Great read.
Great read.
Nocturnowl
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Marble Zone is also snail levels of slow at times, it makes old school castlevania staircase traversal seem lighting quick by comparison.
I didn't really notice that Sonic3 & Knuckles is much more plentiful with stage gimmicks than Sonic 2 until it was mentioned in that thread, probably one of the main reasons I prefer S3&K.
I didn't really notice that Sonic3 & Knuckles is much more plentiful with stage gimmicks than Sonic 2 until it was mentioned in that thread, probably one of the main reasons I prefer S3&K.
Diablohead
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Sonic colours is the best 3d sonic game to come out post SA2, even better then generations I feel.
Dragoon En Regalia
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Stage-traversal gimmicks are a real-cool idea, until they become the whole level itself. There should be a fine between up-and-down route platforming, and all of this S3&K stuff that the kids like to use.
Nocturnowl
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Well you aren't alone with this thought, i'm with you as well for one. Though I feel Generations is the more instantly replayable, though i'm sure you would understand being Mr Speed Highway and all.
This is basically the difference between DKC2 and DKC3.
And what kids are using S3&K awesomeness? wasn't the thread claiming it was in fact quite the opposite?
Dragoon En Regalia
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We're the kids, my friend. But we don't design levels, now do we?
Some of us do, I bet. Either way: not enough fan-games use those stage devices.
Some of us do, I bet. Either way: not enough fan-games use those stage devices.
Nocturnowl
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I would if Sega dropped the tools into an upcoming Sonic game. All I can do is crawl back to Mega Man Powered Up and wonder why no one else puts a stage creator in their platformers.
Seven Force
Banned
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Generation's quality takes a bit of a nosedive at the Modern era, while I feel Colors quality is more consistent all the way through.
I made a thread about this on SEGA Forum a few months back and people were acting like it'd be too difficult to make levels with premade objects. I definitely would like a level creator myself.
Dragoon En Regalia
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Because they feel the same way about modders: hopelessly-outnumbered!
Oi. A level creator/editor wouldn't be a bad idea. Forces you to get creative, and experiment more.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I agree with that. Sonic Generations offered more replay value for me in the end, though. It's one of those games that I just like to pop in to soar through any level which I'm super-familiar with.
It's just a little too bad it ended on the note which it did (re: Time Eater boss, lengthy Planet Wisp levels).
Professor Beef
Banned
Didn't Sega have a stage creator on their website a while back when they were promoting Episode 1?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Ugh, tell me about it. Every single new level is some new, silly gimmick. Now for some, that might sound pretty cool, but they're so hit and miss, I find myself replaying the stages that just focused on making the traditional platforming fun instead of "Ok, now you're an elephant and you're afraid of rats!"
Also, waaaaaay too many collectibles. It's like they thought, "Man if they liked that stuff in the last game, wait until they see this new one!" Too many gimmicks, too many collectibles, too many ideas that went against the free-willing, direct spirit of DKC2
Nocturnowl
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While i'd say that sonic stage design is among the trickiest to do effectively they should still consider it, created content is all the rage everywhere these days so why is one of the most perfect genres for it getting shafted?
Dimps are just afraid that Sonic Gaf would shame them with superior stage design.
I believe it was for their PlaySEGA where you could play Sonic roms if you have a subscription.
Diablohead
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That paid membership saturn pad was so shitty I forgot that I even owned one!
Dragoon En Regalia
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Nocturnowl
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Well that just taunts me further, though they were probably using it to steal fans stage designs.
I'll always disagree on the collectables point in the sense that all the fluff like the brother bear trading items and banana birds aren't actually worth anything in the main game and are only useful for moving towards the rather lame hidden ending, basically no stages are hidden behind these (aside from bosses dropping vehicle upgrades but that's just basic world progression).
Everything else in the stages is the same as DKC2, bonus coins in bonus barrels and the DK coin. Though I guess on the whole it does show the beginning of Rare's collectable fetish which would swallow DK64 whole.
Now as for the more pressing issue on stage gimmicks, yes it is a very mixed bag, all three mill stages sit comfortably in shitsville, fish food frenzy is poorly implemented and poisonous pipeline is the laziest gimmick stage i've ever seen with the bottom of the barrel idea of reversed movement controls (and worse is that it's the finale stage before the final boss). But that said some are pretty clever, Ellie hate may be high but bobbing barrel brawl is the absolute nuts.
On the whole I still prefer the oversaturation of gimmicks in 3 to the barely any gimmicks of 1, barely.
2 is on a whole higher plane of platforming existence with Returns and Jungle Beat as its right and left hands.
playSEGA was pretty cool, the sonic level creator was nifty
then i got bored of it, and i quit, and when I registered there was nothing about having to cancel in order to avoid being charged, but then they charged me again for a subscription sometime later, would of put me in trouble with my bank if i didn't have extra money in my paypal account at the time, was like 40 dollars. After dealing with them for 2 weeks they got me my money back. lol
Anyways, as long as Iizuka-san is in charge, we will never see a Sonic game with a custom level creator. He doesn't believe in them.
Sonic Team are the professionals, leave it to them
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/s...ames-leave-it-to-the-professionals.194575929/
then i got bored of it, and i quit, and when I registered there was nothing about having to cancel in order to avoid being charged, but then they charged me again for a subscription sometime later, would of put me in trouble with my bank if i didn't have extra money in my paypal account at the time, was like 40 dollars. After dealing with them for 2 weeks they got me my money back. lol
Anyways, as long as Iizuka-san is in charge, we will never see a Sonic game with a custom level creator. He doesn't believe in them.
Sonic Team are the professionals, leave it to them
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/s...ames-leave-it-to-the-professionals.194575929/
Really minor and random,
but does anybody else miss having the boss's name slowly typed on the screen when you fought them?
I really loved that in the Adventures,
, and I wish it was done for future games.
but does anybody else miss having the boss's name slowly typed on the screen when you fought them?
I really loved that in the Adventures,
especially against Perfect Chaos
Just finished playing some SA1, so it came up it my head
Really minor and random,
but does anybody else miss having the boss's name slowly typed on the screen when you fought them?
I really loved that in the Adventures,, and I wish it was done for future games.especially against Perfect Chaos
Just finished playing some SA1, so it came up it my head
To be honest, I haven't really experienced a boss battle that felt like it was "serious" since Sonic Adventure 2. And Sonic has stopped taking itself as seriously for a while now. I kinda wouldn't want to see it like that anymore.
The whole "Colors started as Generations Wii" theory makes some sense given the amount of classic enemies in the game. I forgot there were so many.
Iizuka pretty much confirmed that in Japanese interview that was translated by Dark Schala, said both games started development at the same time.
Yea I actually felt like the boss battles had something at stake in the Adventures. I'm okay with either "mood", but I just want the boss name typing again
Dragoon En Regalia
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That was a very cool effect, especially for bosses like Chaos and Egg Viper. I'd like to see it return.
Diablohead
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Generations version was too linear, it needed more of a maze feel like the original zone design.
Dragoon En Regalia
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Great level, though I felt that the pipes were a bit boring. Most of the other gimmicks were useful in facilitating what platforming there was.
PhantomOfTheKnight
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http://blogs.sega.com/2012/06/20/us-only-sonic-the-hedgehog-trivia-sweepstakes/#more-14689
US only Sonic Trivia contest on the SEGA Blogs. Winner gets a nifty tablet.
US only Sonic Trivia contest on the SEGA Blogs. Winner gets a nifty tablet.
Because the GUN robots set up a defence there.
Ya know, I never really gave this any thought as a kid...
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Apparently. Is Robotnik's robot military incompetent enough to let GUN invade and form a garrison, anyway?
Does Iizuka think this stuff through? I think he does. Spent more time on the story than the game itself!
Does Iizuka think this stuff through? I think he does. Spent more time on the story than the game itself!
Nocturnowl
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In which case we can say that his hidden base wasn't very well hidden
Whoever wrote that quiz is amazing, since one of the joke answers to the question "Owning both Sonic 4: Episode I and Episode II allows you to play as which extra character?" is "Ken Balough".
Also, the big anniversary sale is now live:
http://blogs.sega.com/2012/06/20/sonic-the-hedgehog-digital-sale/
Contents vary by platform.
Shadow Hog
Member
Y'know, a trivia sheet that didn't basically sound like a Sonic 4 Episode 2 advertisement would've been a lot nicer.
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