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Sonic the Hedgehog Community Thread |OT3 & Knuckles|
- Thread starter Professor Beef
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Honestly fishing takes so little time and effort that I'd pick it over the 10+ minute sessions I spent hunting for emeralds in space, ugh.
Junahu
Member
You can thank the level design for that. Tails' levels focus more on tight movement than Eggman's.
Compare Cosmic Wall to Eternal Engine. Eggman gets a buff to his hover due to the decreased gravity, and multiple on-rails sections, which lets him concentrate on combat. Tails gets a bunch of airlocks that mess with his movement if you accidentally shoot them open.
Tails' mech also looks like it should be more mobile (due to the fact that it is actually a plane that can fly, and it can also turn into a car), players feel a bizarre sense of weight and inertia that doesn't belong.
Because 70% of the level is played on the walls or ceiling and the camera does nothing to make that a comfortable experience.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
But it also makes emerald hunting levels a lot bigger, a lot more difficult, and a lot more tedious to complete by nerfing the radar.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
The Xtortionist
Member
I would've liked for Sonic Team to iterate on the SA2 Sonic/Shadow gameplay instead of whatever the fuck they did for Heroes. I really enjoyed the scoring system in those stages (especially using bounces to extend combos), and the controls and sense of speed were both pretty on-point. Getting the Extreme bonus when the rocket is launching in Metal Harbor is sooooo satisfying.
Im reading and all i see is
"They took these bad things out and made them better"
Sa2, like i said before i cant even play sa1 anymore.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
well yes the emerald hunting levels in SA2 are kinda objectively worse in every regard
Evil's Bane
Member
For every step forward Sonic Adventure 2 took, there was 5 steps back. I consider it a good example of how not to do a sequel
but the music was great in those emerald hunting levels so it never felt like a chore!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
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Seven Force
Banned
Great music doesn't save shitty game design
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I mean, I'm going to be waiting for a long time for you to actually get here.
Because the radar sucks.
That's the joke.
Junahu
Member
They're graphically superior.
They're actually designed around Knuckles' skill-set.
The hint system is a brilliant way of introducing scalable difficulty.
The levels are infinitely more fun to actually BE in; you're not just gliding around a snippet of a sonic stage.
There's Knuckles rapping for background music.
The downside to Adventure 2's emerald hunting is that the pacing is pretty whack and the rating system wants you to find the shards quickly and hintless, which is the worst way to play these stages.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
I stand corrected.
Speaking of Knuckles raps, this one has always been my favourite. The level it plays in would also be sorta kinda maybe half-decent if you weren't getting hit by meteors every five seconds.
If the camera was better and if the radar picked up every emerald at once, then they would be great stages, as your comments are completely right. But due to the emerald radar being broken, it affects the levels in a huge negative way despite the levels themselves being far stronger than Knuckles level's in SA1.
SA2 in general holds up okay to me, as the speed levels are fantastic, the mech levels are enjoyable if stale after a while and the treasure hunting stages I loath due to the radar being busted.
Junahu
Member
Personally, I love Death Chamber's rap; mostly because it devolves into a conversation between sonic and knuckles about why finding the key is important. It all sounds so delightfully cheesy.
Supaidaman
Member
I never knew that this had the "You're damn right, Knuckles" line, never looked into the lyrics of this one. Truly a masterpiece.
Shadow Hog
Member
The best part is that it's apparently Sonic going "you're damn right, Knuckles".
Seven Force
Banned
One of the biggest injustices in the world is that there aren't instrumental versions of Knuckles' stage themes.
I'd pay top dollar for an official Aquatic Mine instrumental.
I'd pay top dollar for an official Aquatic Mine instrumental.
How much are we talking?
Seven Force
Banned
Honestly? As much as it would take.
Nocturnowl
Member
Seven Force can foot the bill but I'll celebrate (and enjoy the fruits of) his efforts wholeheartedly.
Tizoc
Member
Go get Paint it Back from steam if you haven't yet.
It's like Picross
It is bloody fucking amazing
It's a 2D game so it won't require any fancy graphics or whathave you
JUST GO BUY IT
Solid SOAP
Member
Anyone play Generations 3DS? This game is such a shame. I basically played the whole thing... no desire to beat the last boss after the console versions of Generations.
Anyway, shit. The whole production of it is as bland and generic as possible. Just unlocking special stages after beating levels, not even having to find them or do something special. Really?
The modern levels, again, are probably the best. Well, the latter half of the game at least. The first 3 levels directly take level designs from the original games so of course they're good, but once Dimes were at the helm of it the levels become hit & miss. Some are dun, others are unfair and unfun.
Not a bad game by any means, I've actually been enjoying being able to play a newish Sonic game on my 3DS, but it's certainly not good or impressive at all. A cool 5/10
Anyway, shit. The whole production of it is as bland and generic as possible. Just unlocking special stages after beating levels, not even having to find them or do something special. Really?
The modern levels, again, are probably the best. Well, the latter half of the game at least. The first 3 levels directly take level designs from the original games so of course they're good, but once Dimes were at the helm of it the levels become hit & miss. Some are dun, others are unfair and unfun.
Not a bad game by any means, I've actually been enjoying being able to play a newish Sonic game on my 3DS, but it's certainly not good or impressive at all. A cool 5/10
The big issue was that Dimps anniversary Sonic game was rumored to be Sonic Colors; note how the entire Sonic Cast appears in that version while the Wii version is only Sonic, Tails, Eggman, Orbot and Cubebot.
Colors Wii was also originally a Sonic Generations port before being turned into its own thing.
All of this points to Colors DS having a longer development cycle compared to Generations 3DS, leading to it having a rushed feel, lack of polish and generally feels thrown together.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I don't know if $30 is a good deal or not, but I say go for it. I got Volume 1 from a Humble Bundle and read it all in a couple short sittings and wished I'd had put down money for the rest. Ian Flynn's a good writer and he clearly is having fun mashing Sonic and Mega Man's worlds together.
Presumably that collection also contains Worlds Unite, which just completed, and I've heard that's less good because it blows things out to include the entire Capcom/Sega catalog and loses a lot of focus as a result. But Collides itself is probably pretty good, judging by what I read.
Tizoc
Member
Worlds Collide is fantastic, my fav. major comic crossover event of its time.
Great art, characters and dialog.
EDIT: Amazon.com has it for USD 18 BTW.
Aight. For $20 it's not gonna be something I finish in a sitting or anything though, right...? I don't ever buy comics, tho I did try a month of Marvel Unlimited last year to burn through a metric ton of Spider-Man and literally nothing else lmao. I don't suppose there's anything similar for the Archie comics tho, because if so I definitely wouldn't mind subscribing so that I can catch up on the reboot from the beginning without wasting over $100
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I want to say that Volume 1 alone of Worlds Collide was something like 85 pages, so for the complete thing of that, you're looking at double or even triple that amount
It does look like Archie has a subscription service and it's literally just called Archie Unlimited
https://www.archieunlimited.com
Might want to be careful, though. Sonic's not mentioned anywhere on that page. However, it mentions the comics are readable through their mobile Archie Comics app, and I think Sonic is available on there.
Oh dang thanks
If anyone can confirm that Sonic is available on Unlimited I'll definitely go for that and burn through them. Lately I've come to realize that I'm really invested in the characters and world and that's really been disappointing me even with the recent "good" games. I don't doubt that Ian's Archie Sonic will scratch the itch there I just wanna be able to read it without taking out all my student loans LOL
Tizoc
Member
Look up comixology as they offer digital comics and they have the sonic comics as well
Uk site: https://m.comixology.co.uk/Sonic-the-Hedgehog-Mega-Man-Worlds-Collide/comics-series/16671
From what I have read about worlds unite,
Apparently there it was written by a lot of different folk
To be have been done more for money
And a lot of editorial meddling.
That said, its completely overstuffed, there are two many things featured in that comic, to the degree in which not only do none of those character's actually do anything. To which Megman X you know, that guy that was advertised for the thing, admits near the end that they weren't actually able to do much of anything. And the character choices and plot threads they decide to follow through with makes you question who this shit was even for . Like a lot of the franchises , properties ect, featured, wouldn't even be known by the primary demographic of the folks buying that comic, and for say older folks who might be into that stuff, they don't do anywhere near enough to justify their existence in that comic.
Along with some decisions that sega are upset about , from what I have read. Just horrible character inclusions and exclusion decisions, that made no sense. Wanting to " push the human element " I think the quote was. If you wan't me to explain what that means, it spoils parts of worlds unite , but if you wanna know I can just tell you
Also apparently folks been receiving mail about megaman's comic book cancellation. And while I can't say WU is responsible, those numbers ( and sonic's actually ) have been going down for a while, but it sucks that it had to be let loose with this pile of over stuffed shit as the parting gift.
Solid SOAP
Member
I'm obscenely good at Generations on 360.
I'm ranked 125th on Crisis City Classic, below 200 and 300 in most classic levels... ranked 200thish on Rooftop Run modern... wtf
It's harder to be good at the modern levels because people who use exploits have made speedrunning a chore, but damn I have a very high rank in this game.
Last great Sonic game! Likely to be the last great one for years to come, maybe ever!
I'm ranked 125th on Crisis City Classic, below 200 and 300 in most classic levels... ranked 200thish on Rooftop Run modern... wtf
It's harder to be good at the modern levels because people who use exploits have made speedrunning a chore, but damn I have a very high rank in this game.
Last great Sonic game! Likely to be the last great one for years to come, maybe ever!
BlazeHedgehog
Member
A big hole to poke in your rumor: everyone gets credited in each issue. If there were "a lot of different writers," their names would be listed in the book itself.
In every issue of Worlds Unite, there are two writers listed. The main story is written by Ian Flynn, and the "Off Panel" mini-comic in the letters section is written by Bill Freiberger. Bill Freiberger is the co-executive producer on the Sonic Boom TV series, and helped with the Sonic Boom comic before it was canceled.
I don't even know how a lot of different writers would get in there. Archie does not have a big stable of writers that could be thrown at the Sonic comic. It's pretty much been Ian Flynn for the last 7 or 8 years with the occasional side story handled by someone else.
Sega and Capcom do not have a big stable of writers to muscle their way in to the comic, either. 85% of the franchises referenced in Worlds Unite haven't had a new game in almost a decade or more. And 99% of the franchises referenced are Japanese in origin, making them likely very distant to whatever's going on in the comics.
So, like... no, dude. I think Ian Flynn just went too big and it became too much to reliably manage. It doesn't have to be any more complex than that.
Professor Beef
Banned
Guess who's back
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Guess who's back
I can't see who it is
Solid SOAP
Member
So in spite of its music and presentation is Chronicles worth playing?