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[Sami+]

gerstmann already shit on mania, claiming the fans were losing their shit the exact same way over sonic 4 only for it to be terrible in the end, and that this will be no different.

fucking cringe


I don't know about yall but I'm pretty sure we were shitting on the god awful art/physics/modern sonic as soon as sonic 4 was unveiled. another annoying thing about the press is their assumption that the sonic cycle is totally real and every sonic fan is a bumbling idiot that just loves everything sega puts out. it's insane.

He doesn't get it and doesn't know that fans weren't excited for 4 at all (in fact I remember people scoffing at it getting decent reviews when fam reception was in the gutter), but who can blame skepticism?

Idk why fans are so defensive about this shit. I love Sonic as much as y'all but I'm also completely understanding of people laughing at it. It's SEGA and Sonic Team's fault. I think Unleashed is terribly underrated while also thinking the concept of a "Werehog" is one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen in a game, especially hot off the heels of 06. I know that Boom was by a different team but also understand that to the layman, a Sonic game is a Sonic game and don't expect literally everybody to be knowledgeable on SEGA's game development.

Gerstmann will say different when Mania gets glowing reviews. People will say different if 2017 is genuinely great. Sonic earned his reputation.

 

[Professor Beef]

Who is gerstmann?

 

[Sami+]

Who is gerstmann?

Giant Bomb. Also the guy that got fired from GameStop waaaaaaay back for his negative review of Kaine and Lynch, I believe. Could be wrong tho.

 

[Falk]

All I really know about Giant Bomb in recent years is a bunch of them were lamenting how there wasn't a good Sonic game, while simultaneously struggling with navigating pillars in After the Sequel's first zone, of all things.

 

[Professor Beef]

Looking at the OP again, I need to update some things. We don't have an IRC anymore, for one. :lol

I'll edit stuff when I get home, or tomorrow if I'm too tired.

 

[Sami+]

It's easy to assume a game sucks if you're bad at it when you're going in with an already negative attitude. It'll change when the overall perception of the series changes, and that'll take just a few excellent games.

People won't give 2017 low scores if it's a 9/10 or even 8/10 game at its core. It'll get a good average and good word of mouth, and probably be seen as a fluke. Another great Sonic Team game and maybe another great CW/Headcannon/Pagoda game and the perception will change. I truly believe that.

 

[RK128]

It's easy to assume a game sucks if you're bad at it when you're going in with an already negative attitude. It'll change when the overall perception of the series changes, and that'll take just a few excellent games.

People won't give 2017 low scores if it's a 9/10 or even 8/10 game at its core. It'll get a good average and good word of mouth, and probably be seen as a fluke. Another great Sonic Team game and maybe another great CW/Headcannon/Pagoda game and the perception will change. I truly believe that.

I really hope the bolded happens, as I think a new Classic game by them every two years would be such a great way to make new 2D Sonic titles on consoles .

And I agree; perception on Sonic will change once consistency is drilled into Sonic like SEGA was trying to do from 2010-2012. But we have to wait and see that.

I just want the press to give Sonic the same respect that they give other IP, as that is the professional thing to do. Giving every game a fair chance regardless of historical baggage or if the subject matter of the game doesn't jive with you is critical for all journalists in gaming media.

 

[BlazeHedgehog]

I learned a long time ago to stop giving a shit about Jeff's opinions, especially on the things he doesn't like.

Jeff has, at various points in his life:

- Said he doesn't like Jurassic Park
- Said he doesn't like Back to the Future
- Said he doesn't like any of the Half-Life games
- Has been very vocal about how much he hates NiGHTS
- The same goes for Yoshi's Island on the SNES
- Said Donkey Kong 64 is the best Donkey Kong Country game
- Said Metroid 1 on the NES is better than Super Metroid
- Said Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero was an alright game, and his review stands as the highest score that game was ever given across any publication

Jeff is a very funny man and he has provided me with a lot of entertainment over the years and for that I thank him, but his opinions on video games are only to be approached a certain way. I do not agree with him on most things, and I've yet to meet another person who wholly shares his skewed perspective of the world.

 

[Village]

Jeff is an interesting individual, he's aknowleges his opinions are his, heck he's like the only one outside of saying sonic is bad actually questions like what is a sonic game. He acknowledges that there are actually a bunch of people who like different sonic stuff and questioned like, based on that... what is a sonic game for a lot people. As much as his disdain may show otherwise the guy has a genuine love for video games.



also I found this image, or rather I found it isolated from the comic its from, and I feel like some of you all might get use out of it

 

[BlazeHedgehog]

I like Bryce's art (they drew that issue) but I don't like how they can't ever draw anyone properly crossing their arms, like their hands are simply too big or something. It's weird looking.

 

[RK128]

Jeff is an interesting individual, he's aknowleges his opinions are his, heck he's like the only one outside of saying sonic is bad actually questions like what is a sonic game. He acknowledges that there are actually a bunch of people who like different sonic stuff and questioned like, based on that... what is a sonic game for a lot people. As much as his disdain may show otherwise the guy has a genuine love for video games.



also I found this image, or rather I found it isolated from the comic its from, and I feel like some of you all might get use out of it

Thank you for that image Village .

 

[Village]

Well to be fair sonic characters crossing their arms ussually looks super weird in gneral because of the noodle-eyness so i'm not going to dock points for that.

Like how they drew knuckles in that issue, reminded me of some of the pre boot drawings of knuckles, there were some really interesting, and some really bad, but some really interesting art style choices before everything became sort of uniform.

Also edit side note, anyone hear about that new archie lawsuit thing, anyone wanna talk about that? Anyone know anymore about that?

 

[Tizoc]

Oh lord what is that about now?

 

[Sciz]

King Acorn looks a touch overdesigned when you stick him next to that many Sega characters.

This is obviously the best face from that issue anyway:

Also edit side note, anyone hear about that new archie lawsuit thing, anyone wanna talk about that? Anyone know anymore about that?

It's apparently by Scott Fulop, following in Penders' footsteps by seeking damages over the characters he created. Given the precedent, I imagine it'll be an open and shut case as compared to the last one.

 

[Village]

King acorn looks cooler in the main book too bad he got squashed by that bear, I never remember his name

Best panel from that book is when king is trying to be threatening and every looks scared but shadow or omega who could be bothered pay attention to him

Omega was funny in that book too

 

[BlazeHedgehog]

Sonic characters can cross their arms just fine. It wasn't until the 3D games that they started folding them in weird ways

 

[Village]

All of those top pictures look weird cuz of the noodle

 

[PhantomOfTheKnight]

Wow, Archie just isnt gonna get a break are they. To be honest, I don't think the main comic wouldn't go on for much longer if the Riverdale show didn't do well, but it looks like it may be screwed either way.

A lot of people have been guessing since the reboot that if Archie were to go under or lost the rights that IDW would pick it due to all their nostalgic licenses (Transformers, TMNT, Ghostbusters), and I wouldn't mind if they started from square one again with Flynn at the helm.

Sonic characters can cross their arms just fine. It wasn't until the 3D games that they started folding them in weird ways

Yea I've started to notice that starting with Unleashed that everyone's hands are massive and they have rather limp wrists due to the gloves.

 

[Village]

I feel like sonic to IDW is a, when

 

[Tizoc]

Ian flynn could write a fun tf book aimed at a younger audience

 

[TrueBlue]

I'd be disappointed if Sonic Archie was go under now. I've been buying the online issues of the main series and Universe post reboot, and I've really enjoyed it.

Hell, the "Shadow Fall" saga managed to glean something good from the shitshow that was Shadow the Hedgehog.

Just a fun read all round really.

 

[Anth0ny]

cause when we went 3d all the sonic characters hands and feet got fuckin HUGE

 

[Regiruler]

Giant Bomb. Also the guy that got fired from GameStop waaaaaaay back for his negative review of Kaine and Lynch, I believe. Could be wrong tho.

lol

 

[Tizoc]

What? No it isn't.

I confuse it with the other pipes that decorate the lower and upper tiles of the area.

 

[Gagaman]

Jeff is one of my favorite gaming journalists to watch, such a naturally funny guy, but there is pretty much zero reason to take any of his sometimes odd gaming opinions to heart. At least he has explained his agenda against Yoshi's Island a few times, but it's kind of a running gag for Giant Bomb at this point to put him on the spot about it.

Really hope Archie Sonic doesn't collapse, they've een n a roll (huhuh) recently and Sonic Mega Drive was apparently the first Sonic comic to sell out completely and require a second print run. I would love to see classic sonic get a spin off series to take the place of the cancelled Sonic Boom one. And all of these lawsuits have been over lame characters like Mammoth Mongal.. :S

Oh by the way, first part of my let's play of my 2001/02 fan game Sonic Chudoku is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsedXuQN-qk
Lots of technical issues and interesting MIDI music choices haha

 

[TrueBlue]

Jeff is one of my favorite gaming journalists to watch, such a naturally funny guy, but there is pretty much zero reason to take any of his sometimes odd gaming opinions to heart. At least he has explained his agenda against Yoshi's Island a few times, but it's kind of a running gag for Giant Bomb at this point to put him on the spot about it.

Really hope Archie Sonic does collapse, they've een n a roll (huhuh) recently and Sonic Mega Drive was apparently the first Sonic comic to sell out completely and require a second print run. I would love to see classic sonic get a spin off series to take the place of the cancelled Sonic Boom one. And all of these lawsuits have been over lame characters like Mammoth Mongal.. :S

Oh by the way, first part of my let's play of my 2001/02 fan game Sonic Chudoku is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsedXuQN-qk
Lots of technical issues and interesting MIDI music choices haha

You hope it does collapse?

Speaking of characters that aren't in the comic anymore, are there any whose absence is really apparent? Like I was aware of a few - Mina, Mammoth, Scourge, Julie-Su, Zonic - but I dunno. Will it be interesting to get that perspective.

 

[Gagaman]

You hope it does collapse?

Speaking of characters that aren't in the comic anymore, are there any whose absence is really apparent? Like I was aware of a few - Mina, Mammoth, Scourge, Julie-Su, Zonic - but I dunno. Will it be interesting to get that perspective.

Oops typoed! Fixed it.

Don't really miss any of them to be honest. The reboot was the best decision the comic has ever made, there was way too much baggage. Having siad that I haven't excatly been following the comics for much of its life span (jumped in around issue 70-something, dropped back out around issue 100) so maybe some of the characters are more missed by others.

 

[Village]

I'd be disappointed if Sonic Archie was go under now. I've been buying the online issues of the main series and Universe post reboot, and I've really enjoyed it.

Hell, the "Shadow Fall" saga managed to glean something good from the shitshow that was Shadow the Hedgehog.

Just a fun read all round really.

The basic story in that game is fine, its just the saiyan saga but with dragon xenomorphs. The problem comes in when you try to do good or evil descions, focusing that game down probably fix a lot.
The idea some good coming from that game isnt foreign, there are a lot of ideas in that game. They just do too much,so they dont focus work on a few working ideas. realistic human guns bad idea though.

The only issue with them using black arms is that every other problem they are dealing with seems, much much less important

 

[TrueBlue]

The basic story in that game is fine, its just the saiyan saga but with dragon xenomorphs. The problem comes in when you try to do good or evil descions, focusing that game down probably fix a lot.
The idea some good coming from that game isnt foreign, there are a lot of ideas in that game. They just do too much,so they dont focus work on a few working ideas. realistic human guns bad idea though.

The only issue with them using black arms is that every other problem they are dealing with seems, much much less important

Well, yeah. Add in the horrific writing and characterisation issues, and it was only ever going to go one way.

I like how the comic focused more on the harvesting aspect of the Black Arms. It's a scary aspect of them which the game didn't really pull of well at all, and helped to set them apart as opposed to just being an alien race that wanted to take over the world.

Don't really miss any of them to be honest. The reboot was the best decision the comic has ever made, there was way too much baggage. Having siad that I haven't excatly been following the comics for much of its life span (jumped in around issue 70-something, dropped back out around issue 100) so maybe some of the characters are more missed by others.

Fair enough!

 

[TreIII]

A lot of people have been guessing since the reboot that if Archie were to go under or lost the rights that IDW would pick it due to all their nostalgic licenses (Transformers, TMNT, Ghostbusters), and I wouldn't mind if they started from square one again with Flynn at the helm.

That actually would be something I'd actively hope for, at this point. IDW is already my favorite comic book publisher in these last few years, so them picking up Sonic and the brand getting a fresh start under the IDW Banner would likely be something that'd make me pleased. It could go along very well if Sega was really serious about giving the brand a sense of "re-invigoration/renewal" by 2017.

And it's too late now, of course, but that's exactly the kind of thing I was most hoping for when it came to Mega Man, certainly. We could have had at least one good crossover with Autobots, Decepticons, Robot Masters and Reploids in it...

 

[Village]

I like how the comic focused more on the harvesting aspect of the Black Arms. It's a scary aspect of them which the game didn't really pull of well at all, and helped to set them apart as opposed to just being an alien race that wanted to take over the world.

I liked that aswell for it also allows for a good ol fashioned shades of gray beef. Because shadow and eclipses beef is...basicly Darwinism.

I mentioned the issue with usinh black arms in the comics

However there are bunch of cool stories they can pull out of gun not telling people stuff. And a potential scape goat with left over shadow andriods.

Hopefull it creates cool stories but they understand the urgency that is xenomorphs as a narrative problem.

 

[BlackJace]

Archie Sonic kind of lost me when after the repeated betrayal arcs.
Might look into Universe one day.

 

[Seven Force]

Universe accomplished the nigh-impossible task of making Shadow the Hedgehog an enjoyable character.

It should gets points for that alone.

 

[Sciz]

This is neat.

 

[TrueBlue]

Universe accomplished the nigh-impossible task of making Shadow the Hedgehog an enjoyable character.

It should gets points for that alone.

The comically serious but still relatively caring character is such an obvious route for the character thay I'm surprised Sega didn't take it. I like seeing my favourite character done well, if only because it's such a rarity.

This is neat.

It is, but who is it?

 

[tiggerkiddo]

One of these days I will try Archie Sonic again but I had too many fond memories of some of the characters before the big reboot so it's hard to muster up a reason at times.

 

[Sciz]

It is, but who is it?

Never heard of the artist before, just saw it retweeted on Tyson Hesse's feed.

 

[Village]

Universe accomplished the nigh-impossible task of making Shadow the Hedgehog an enjoyable character.

Dude is popular despite being absent, hes fine for a lot of people. The task wasn't impossible there was a better writter to show the qualities everyone else saw.

Now marine... That's deserves a reward.

Archie Sonic kind of lost me when after the repeated betrayal arcs.
Might look into Universe one day.

Universe is better than the main book
Strait up

Imma tell you a secret, worst sonic friend is sonic friend. Every other sonic character is vastly more interesting than he is. And its a book that's just that.

 

[Blueblur1]

Hey guys.

So I decided to try to get back into the comics. I have quite a few post-255 issues with lots of gaps in between but I'd like to start as far back as 226 when the Genesis arc started. I looked up the Archie web store and Amazon and see a ton of collections and graphic novels. (I've spent the past hour going through the product pages to understand which issues are included.)

Anyway, there's got to be a better way than that. Do you guys have any recommendations? I'm actually trying to get physical issues but will settle for digital if its really hard to go that far back.

 

[Sciz]

Hey guys.

So I decided to try to get back into the comics. I have quite a few post-255 issues with lots of gaps in between but I'd like to start as far back as 226 when the Genesis arc started. I looked up the Archie web store and Amazon and see a ton of collections and graphic novels. (I've spent the past hour going through the product pages to understand which issues are included.)

Anyway, there's got to be a better way than that. Do you guys have any recommendations? I'm actually trying to get physical issues but will settle for digital if its really hard to go that far back.

The trade volumes never made it that far, aside from the Genesis arc, Worlds Collide, and a handful of scattered issues that made it into the Selects and Best Of lines. All of the reprint lines they formerly had going seem to have died off as of last year, presumably due to ongoing legal complications. If you want to go physical, you'll have to track down individual issues. Digitally, Comixology has everything.

 

[Tizoc]

That actually would be something I'd actively hope for, at this point. IDW is already my favorite comic book publisher in these last few years, so them picking up Sonic and the brand getting a fresh start under the IDW Banner would likely be something that'd make me pleased. It could go along very well if Sega was really serious about giving the brand a sense of "re-invigoration/renewal" by 2017.

And it's too late now, of course, but that's exactly the kind of thing I was most hoping for when it came to Mega Man, certainly. We could have had at least one good crossover with Autobots, Decepticons, Robot Masters and Reploids in it...

I think ian will get his chance to contiue the megaman book if not write a comic for the new megaman show

 

[Shadow Hog]

Looking at the OP again, I need to update some things. We don't have an IRC anymore, for one. :lol

No, but we do have a Discord and a LINE chat, I guess. Both kinda supplanted the IRC.

 

[PhantomOfTheKnight]

Can I get that Discord link?

 

[Professor Beef]

Can I get that Discord link?

Edited the OP to include the discord link.

 

[Village]

Yo, gotta question for you nerds.

What non sonic games have you been playing as of late

I also missed that shadow mini comic thing they put up on the sonic channel, its cute.

 

[Seven Force]

Pretty much been training mode monstering in Street Fighter V, since I'm too cheap to re-up on PS Plus at the moment for online.

Been playing Pokemon Yellow on Virtual Console a bit, along with the PS4 version of RE5.

 

[Village]

How is revisiting RE5? Or is this your first time?
Its a game I particularly enjoy , but its a game to this day I find it hard articulate my feelings in word form for, there are very interesting choices made in that game.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

I've been playing Dragon's Dogma Online after finally setting that up. Decided to after playing PC Dogma, trying out analog stick movement with mouse camera control and aiming.

Other than that, Overwatch.

 

[Seven Force]

How is revisiting RE5? Or is this your first time?
Its a game I particularly enjoy , but its a game to this day I find it hard articulate my feelings in word form for, there are very interesting choices made in that game.

Nah, revisiting it. It was actually my first PS3 game, so I have fond memories of it.

It's one of my favorite RE games (Hell, one of my favorite Capcom games in general) even in spite of not being as well-paced and designed as RE4. Soundtrack's dope as hell, too.

 

[Village]

I can say the same, though I would put Rev 1 and 2 above it, I realy REALLY like those games. I'm fond of the RE series in general, I even have a soft spot for 6.

As far as music goes, oh hell yeah it did.

Used that in sf4 and 5 as the training room music

I've been playing Dragon's Dogma Online after finally setting that up. Decided to after playing PC Dogma, trying out analog stick movement with mouse camera control and aiming.

Other than that, Overwatch.

I have never actually played Dragon's Dogma, I keep hearing its its an attempt for a more western Monster Hunter, and hear its good.

Overwatch is cool, as per the usual