Yeah... this is where I'm thinking... you're a doctor, you have to see where these obvious problems with your story will pop up. Refusing to get medical attention until your husband shows up at the hospital? C'mon, that's a red flag for everyone. Any exam is going to reveal there was no baby. Unless she's bribing the whole hospital, I don't know how she thinks this will work.
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Sons of Anarchy - Season 6 - Tuesdays on FX
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Yeah... this is where I'm thinking... you're a doctor, you have to see where these obvious problems with your story will pop up. Refusing to get medical attention until your husband shows up at the hospital? C'mon, that's a red flag for everyone. Any exam is going to reveal there was no baby. Unless she's bribing the whole hospital, I don't know how she thinks this will work.
RoninChaos
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I figured the entire time Tara was faking her pregnancy. I haven't watched the episode yet, so I spoiled myself on that one but it seemed obvious.
Not feeling this episode. Tara's subplot is making me hate here and I want to love her since the ass is fat. The real problem was the child porn plot. Yet another Sons shootout in the middle of hundreds of people with no one reacting, but worse, the whole "shit we're being hunted by half a dozen dudes with guns...lets go shoot some porno!" plot was beyond stupid.
And the whole "prison rape" scene was LOL. Nero's not even in actual prison yet! I seriously doubt that "holding cell bitches" are a thing.
And the whole "prison rape" scene was LOL. Nero's not even in actual prison yet! I seriously doubt that "holding cell bitches" are a thing.
Deified Data
Banned
This is the only logical explanation, otherwise we're looking at a gaping plothole. The odds are good though. Remember what her supervisor said about drastic action? If she knew what Tara was up to it's no small stretch to assume that her co-workers did as well, and were working alongside the scheme.
I've been thinking...for a long time some people thought Phil was a cop. He's dead now, and Rat just got patched into Samcro. Jax talked about Rat being loyal among other things. I've seen on IMDb that the cop suspicions have shifted to Rat.
To my knowledge we haven't really seen him do all that much. One thing I do recall is that Rat was present when Opie shot Clay at the end of season 4. He drove the van last week to help Juice jump in after crashing the dirty cops' car with his bike. But otherwise, I'm not sure if Rat has shot/killed anybody or really done anything other than scrub tasks.
He could have been gathering plenty of intel on the club all this time and feeding it to his superiors. We've gone the 'authorities on the inside' path at least once (Romeo and the DEA), but this could still be a fresh angle to cause additional problems during the final stretch of the show.
To my knowledge we haven't really seen him do all that much. One thing I do recall is that Rat was present when Opie shot Clay at the end of season 4. He drove the van last week to help Juice jump in after crashing the dirty cops' car with his bike. But otherwise, I'm not sure if Rat has shot/killed anybody or really done anything other than scrub tasks.
He could have been gathering plenty of intel on the club all this time and feeding it to his superiors. We've gone the 'authorities on the inside' path at least once (Romeo and the DEA), but this could still be a fresh angle to cause additional problems during the final stretch of the show.
-Pyromaniac-
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The whole Tara thing kind of makes her seem unlikebale. Which is weird because I'm pretty sure we're supposed to be rooting for her to do what's best for the kids? Or at least realize she's trying to do the right thing.
But it just seems like non-stop scheming and plotting which automatically makes it seem bad for the viewers. Not sure Sutter is executing on this the way he wanted. Unless he wanted this :/
But it just seems like non-stop scheming and plotting which automatically makes it seem bad for the viewers. Not sure Sutter is executing on this the way he wanted. Unless he wanted this :/
It's interesting that Tara's actions here parallel Jax's. Both want to get out their violent environments (to differing degrees), and the path out for both always ends up involving further violence and pain. That certainly feels very much part of Sutter's statement.
Tara's just been too far out of the story, so all we see is her scheming. We don't see enough of her perspective, or frankly, the perspective of ANYONE not in the MC. We similarly have absolutely no view of the MC's relationship with the townspeople or vice versa. The show is incredibly insular, to its detriment because the lack of perspective diminishes a lot of the drama and stakes.
It's possible, we'll see. It feels like a stretch, even for this show, to have a whole bunch of hospital staff risk serious trouble. I'm waiting to see whether Gemma is charged, because that changes the likelihood of the staff having to maintain stories during legal action.
Officerrob
Banned
Tig and Venus are fantastic, but I'm not feeling the Tara storyline. Like others have pointed out, there is a HUGE plot hole about her "pregnancy" and how that was handled. Also, I think they are turning her into an unlikable character, which is hard to do with someone who is supposed to be trying to protect her children.
a secret-boss
Banned
this episode is just those crazy boys and their Adventures of Sons of Anarchy.
the beginning montage is not bad. it worked to show faster progression of the story, but the show just abuses the montage. its like they want to make a SoA MTV
the beginning montage is not bad. it worked to show faster progression of the story, but the show just abuses the montage. its like they want to make a SoA MTV
i'm starting to think Tara won't survive the season. i can't see her pulling this scheme off, and she seems to have crossed a point of no return with Jax...when he finds out.
So that leaves her:
1. Not pulling it off, being without Jax, but still in Charming for some reason
2. Or dead.
her dying would leave the kids with jax and i could see wendy getting closer to the club.
So that leaves her:
1. Not pulling it off, being without Jax, but still in Charming for some reason
2. Or dead.
her dying would leave the kids with jax and i could see wendy getting closer to the club.
brianjones
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Avinexus
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As long as Walton Goggins is on screen I can deal with how bad this show has gotten. But it just makes me want Justified to come back faster and sad that this show is so bad now, Sons use to be my favorite show.
Officerrob
Banned
Hyperbole much?
Chuckie
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Yesterday's episode really was a low point
I haven't seen Dexter, so that part of his post might be a hyperbole, but he is right about it being awful television.
Miles Quaritch
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Y'all are crazy, it was s great episode. I think some may be expecting too much from a show where Mexican drug cartel heads work for the DEA, where babies are kidnapped by the IRA, where a massive explosion occurs and there's no real fallout, where there's a school shooting and it's,dropped within a couple of episodes and where an FBI agent is killed and it's never mentioned ever again.
KaiserBecks
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Well, at this point it's basically a violent telenovela with bikers and lots of bromance. That hyperbole enough for you? I don't know what went wrong here, but after watching Sons of Anarchy, it's hard to believe that Kurt Sutter had anything to do with "The Shield". And I know that he was there from the beginning of the show.
Side note:
I wonder what made Jax kill someone in front of a corrupt cop...and then trust the cop to get rid of the evidence "on the house". That's just bad television.
I thought the show actually hit me over the head with a sledgehammer at that scene. How could anyone miss it? Jax reacted as if that monster-woman's father talk applied to him, freaked out and fucked up.
CrankyKong
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These last few episodes have been great.
I hope it keeps up
I hope it keeps up
brianjones
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I'm getting absolutely convinced that the show is going in this direction, that the season finale will be Jax finding out about Tara's plot and showing how far he has fallen when he kills her or Wendy.
Tbh from the beginning of this thread it has been baffling that no one has realised that the MC will just kill whomever to get Jax his kids back, in particular Wendy. She was injected with Heroin by him not even a few months ago.
As others have mentioned, the plotline really falls down as it is difficult to root for people other than the MC. The characters are so centre stage, so ingrained as protagonists that everyone else comes off as a bad guy. Police working to bring down a criminal organization or a mother trying to take her kids away from a group of psychos don't seem to be the good guys that they obviously are.
Final point, really not understanding people calling this "the worst thing ever", or even calling it a bad episode. For me, this season has been a return to form for SoA, the pointless school shooting excepted.
edit: Reading the AV Club review, another thing pops to mind about Tara: Her sudden, unexplained desire to be rid of Jax. There has been nothing in their relationship to suggest that she would fall out of love with him, that she would want a divorce. It was just, last season they were happy and then offscreen Tara realises she hates Jax. Yes, one could make the argument that she sees divorcing Jax as the only way to get her kids away, but all of her behaviour implies she also wants to get away from Jax. I can't help but think this storyline would be much, much stronger if this wasn't the case. If Tara was a woman forced into choosing her husband or her kids, left with the only option of leaving the man she loves for the sake of her children, then there would be much more they could do. It would make her scheming far more likeable, given what she is doing and give the actress far more to do.
RepairmanJack
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I liked the episode enough, I didn't think it was near as good as the last two episode but I liked the Vincent story.
I don't understand people saying the Tara story has a big plothole. She had the director of the hospital helping her, I think she could have told a nurse or two to not say anything... Not to mention most of them probably know who they are and would say nothing anyways. How many times this episode did it reinforce the fact that the town is skitish with the club?
This is the craziest thing I've read. :lol I can see it being boring, but they could have an entire episode take place at the Son's table featuring nobody but Vincent and Tara and it'd still be better than the entire last season of Dexter.
I don't understand people saying the Tara story has a big plothole. She had the director of the hospital helping her, I think she could have told a nurse or two to not say anything... Not to mention most of them probably know who they are and would say nothing anyways. How many times this episode did it reinforce the fact that the town is skitish with the club?
This is the craziest thing I've read. :lol I can see it being boring, but they could have an entire episode take place at the Son's table featuring nobody but Vincent and Tara and it'd still be better than the entire last season of Dexter.
Yea, not sure how anyone could miss that. The camera focused on Jax's reactions to Venus' mother talking about bad fathers and sons growing to hate them.
Also, did anybody else notice the shots of Tig looking back curiously at Jax and August when they went to cut the Irishman lose? I have no idea what to think about any possible arrangement between August and Tig. I don't think it's anything along the lines of Tig betraying Jax, as August seems pretty level-headed and not interested in that kind of move.
I guess nobody else thinks Rat boy is a cop? His nickname is "Rat", after all.
RepairmanJack
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Also, did anybody else notice the shots of Tig looking back curiously at Jax and August when they went to cut the Irishman lose? I have no idea what to think about any possible arrangement between August and Tig. I don't think it's anything along the lines of Tig betraying Jax, as August seems pretty level-headed and not interested in that kind of move.
I guess nobody else thinks Rat boy is a cop? His nickname is "Rat", after all.
I took that as it showing Tig is still suspicious of Jax turning him over, or that Tig knows. I just saw it as it bringing that back up as a reminder.
I'd hate it if Rat Boy was a cop.
She could just go to jail at the end of the season. The show has done it before.
Cornballer
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BlueScrote
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Normally don't keep up with the thread since I normally don't watch episodes until the weekend, but what is up with the episode length? I don't think this season has had a single standard hour long episode yet.
A combination of:
- SoA pulls in huge viewership, so FX can make more money from commercials
- Sutter having too much story to tell in a 13-episode season
metalslimer
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Too much story? One of the worst things to happen to SoA in the last few years is the lack of editing and stupid montages. Also I actually like the over the top silliness in this episode even though I hated the stuff in the previous episode. Also, while Tara's plot is kind of ridiculous I don't get why people think she had some sudden switch in emotions. She has wanted to get away from the MC for a while now. Her going to jail just showed her she would need a plan to put in motion to get the kids out of there. She even said earlier in the season she still loved Jax, and just didn't want her kids to end up like him. Also they aren't going to kill off Tara this season, otherwise I don't even know what they would do next season in regards to the kids.
Yes, this is a little weird, since her more or less explicit strategy is that the divorce is a tactic to ensure the kids can leave Charming if she goes to jail, but various actions seem to indicate she can't stand even being near him anyway. This season could really do for giving us a better look inside Tara's head.
This isn't just some secret, it could prove a major feature of criminal charges against Gemma, which would naturally lead to an examination of the situation (ie. did Gemma's attack result in the termination of Tara's pregnancy?). This would be less "shhh, don't tell anyone" and more "please forge some documents and lie to the police and court."
RepairmanJack
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Oh, I was assuming Tara wasn't going to follow through with the charges or something along that line. I kind of figured she was just going with it so far to manipulate Jax and to have a reason to get the restraining order. Once that's filed she'll most likely be in the process of going to jail and most of her plan is done anyways.
KaiserBecks
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I realised what they were going for, but it wasn't convincing enough imo. It would've been a better solution if they made it clear that Jax, a father of two sons, killed that bitch out of pure disgust (and in a more excessive way). However, that still doesn't explain why he would be comfortable with letting Barosky take care of the evidence.
Ratboy being an undercover cop doesn't really make sense in the timeline of the show. I can't remember when he was introduced but it must overlap with the cartel shit. If he was introduced in season 4 as part of the RICO case then one presumes they just would have pulled him out once the CIA got involved. If he was introduced after then the Sons would still have been under CIA protection and I assume that the CIA would have taken steps after the first incident to ward off any other interested law agencies. And he has certainly been around long enough not to be a plant of Toric or the DA.
Sure, one could make the argument that the CIA just didn't bother communicating with other law agencies for some reason, but it would be bad writing to reveal it like that.
Sure, one could make the argument that the CIA just didn't bother communicating with other law agencies for some reason, but it would be bad writing to reveal it like that.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
Goddamn Walton Goggins. Love that man. And Tig's reaction. Phenomenal.
Tig and Venus are a better romance than most crap in other tv and movies.
Seriously, though, I love the concept there of Tig helping Venus save her son. Tig lost his own child so he knows what that feels like, and he doesn't want Venus to have to go through that,t oo.
I mean, it's possible Tara tries to not press charges and force the police to abandon it by having all witnesses refuse to cooperate... but I don't know, it all feels messy if she wants to avoid legal action in one area while trying to pull off other legal moves in the other corner. Feels like there are a lot of loose threads and any one can be tugged on.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
Totally.
Why wouldn't he be though? For the entire season so far his dealings with Barosky would in no way make him suspicious of him. Hell, he murdered someone right in front of Jax as well. The characters in the show don't have the knowledge that we do of the DA approaching him.
RepairmanJack
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I was thinking the same, but I couldn't remember if he actually killed a guy on that boat or not. So far there is no reason for Jax to not trust him. Maybe he's trusting him a little too much, but he still has no reason to not trust him.
Deified Data
Banned
I'm really rooting for these two.
Noisepurge
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Yup! Every episode seems to have two music video montages that last like 5 minutes both... Such obvious fillers.
WarrenMax007
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I thought that when Lowen came to Tara in hospital so Jax can sign the papers, isn't it like suspicious? Like "Hey, Jax, i just lost my baby but i called my lawyer, and she got restraining order and i already signed it. Can you sign it too?"
It was really stupid.
It was really stupid.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
That is the biggest pile of shit creative decision to muddy the show. I mean, besides the shit 3rd season in Belfast.
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