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[Meicyn]

Ha, I remember back in the day when I got a Sony LCD, and it had dead pixels in several spots. Was pissed, turned me off from Sony for a few years since I returned it and got a Samsung. Then the Samsung started turning off on its own and software support was nonexistent.

Ended up doing Panasonic plasma TVs for awhile. We all know how that went in the end.

 

[Celcius]

Ha, I remember back in the day when I got a Sony LCD, and it had dead pixels in several spots. Was pissed, turned me off from Sony for a few years since I returned it and got a Samsung. Then the Samsung started turning off on its own and software support was nonexistent.

Ended up doing Panasonic plasma TVs for awhile. We all know how that went in the end.

What do you use now?

 

[Meicyn]

What do you use now?

Top of the line Sony LED from several years ago.

 

[th4tguy]

Waiting for the new 2024 models has really thrown me for a loop.
I'm currently using a 2008 lcd Bravia with dead pixel lines through the middle of the screen. Very ready for an upgrade and was eyeing the a80m as my replacement.
Now Sony has changed up its models and I can't decide between the Bravia 9 or the Bravia 8.

My living room is well lit but we tend to not use the tv unless it's afternoon/ night time.

I'd made my mind up to get oled but now all of the mini led talk has me second guessing.

Also the new 8 model isn't using a qoled screen that I thought it would and so its peak brightness still isn't as high as the A95L from last year. Should I just be grabbing the A95L?

I'm really stuck. Maybe I just need to wait for reviews. Not planning to make the purchase until first sales hit anyways later this year.

 

[ChoosableOne]

I was thinking of getting a TV for the living room. We usually use it with the lights on. I started considering a mini Led that offers colors as good as OLED and similar image quality, without burn-in issues, for long-term use. Are there any disadvantages compared to OLED or LCD?

 

[Inanilmaz]

what compromises? I will counter them all

How is the 24fps movie playback? I'm about to buy an oled but im scared of stutters and soap opera effect.
Edit: didn't see someone was asking the same question

 

[rofif]

How is the 24fps movie playback? I'm about to buy an oled but im scared of stutters and soap opera effect.
Edit: didn't see someone was asking the same question

I answered above but I will repeat.
On it's own with everything disabled if you play movie on a pc - It's not ideal. You see stutter on slow panning shots in movies, less so in normal action. But it's there
You enable cinematic movement which is 5:1 pulldown to show every frame of 24fps 5 times. So 120hz. It helps.
You also enable low levels of motion interpolation. At lowest levels there is no soap opera effect.
The problem is that these motion settings are only available on hdmi based player or internal apps.

 

[Xellos]

Waiting for the new 2024 models has really thrown me for a loop.
I'm currently using a 2008 lcd Bravia with dead pixel lines through the middle of the screen. Very ready for an upgrade and was eyeing the a80m as my replacement.
Now Sony has changed up its models and I can't decide between the Bravia 9 or the Bravia 8.

My living room is well lit but we tend to not use the tv unless it's afternoon/ night time.

I'd made my mind up to get oled but now all of the mini led talk has me second guessing.

Also the new 8 model isn't using a qoled screen that I thought it would and so its peak brightness still isn't as high as the A95L from last year. Should I just be grabbing the A95L?

I'm really stuck. Maybe I just need to wait for reviews. Not planning to make the purchase until first sales hit anyways later this year.

You really can't go wrong with any of these. For SDR they're both going to look stellar. Bravia 9 will be better at HDR due to higher brightness and good local dimming and you won't have to worry about burn in. Bravia 8 is not as bright for HDR, but you save some money and still get a great picture, and it has the advantages of OLED like the pixel response and viewing angles and per-pixel illumination.

 

[hussar16]

I was thinking of getting a TV for the living room. We usually use it with the lights on. I started considering a mini Led that offers colors as good as OLED and similar image quality, without burn-in issues, for long-term use. Are there any disadvantages compared to OLED or LCD?

get a mini led with ips adds panel, it has better colors and motion, so it would help with games, currently the best one with it is hisense u8k 65-75 inch

 

[Bojji]

get a mini led with ips adds panel, it has better colors and motion, so it would help with games, currently the best one with it is hisense u8k 65-75 inch

Ips needs to have phenomenal backlight algorithms and a lot of dimming zones to look decent, otherwise contrast is absolute shit.

I had Hisense ips with FALD (but not mini led) in 2022 but it was garbage, contrast was terrible, returned it after 5 days. My previous 4k VA without any local dimming produced better picture.

 

[Zathalus]

A few years ago I would have agreed OLED is way better vs Mini LED. But recently the advantages of Mini LED are just growing. Massive increase in brightness, thousands to tens of thousands of zones, much better bloom handling, and contrast ratio on the hundreds of thousands.

I'm moving my OLED to the bedroom and changing my living room TV to Mini LED, the brightness just makes for a better viewing experience.

 

[hussar16]

Ips needs to have phenomenal backlight algorithms and a lot of dimming zones to look decent, otherwise contrast is absolute shit.

I had Hisense ips with FALD (but not mini led) in 2022 but it was garbage, contrast was terrible, returned it after 5 days. My previous 4k VA without any local dimming produced better picture.

ok get a good mini led with ads then talk about how awful it is, because it is not ,its close to a plasma in colors and picture ,i had plenty of tv aswell so i can talk about how va is not that great with colors tht look blown out and contrast aswell

 

[Paulxo87]

Waiting for the new 2024 models has really thrown me for a loop.
I'm currently using a 2008 lcd Bravia with dead pixel lines through the middle of the screen. Very ready for an upgrade and was eyeing the a80m as my replacement.
Now Sony has changed up its models and I can't decide between the Bravia 9 or the Bravia 8.

My living room is well lit but we tend to not use the tv unless it's afternoon/ night time.

I'd made my mind up to get oled but now all of the mini led talk has me second guessing.

Also the new 8 model isn't using a qoled screen that I thought it would and so its peak brightness still isn't as high as the A95L from last year. Should I just be grabbing the A95L?

I'm really stuck. Maybe I just need to wait for reviews. Not planning to make the purchase until first sales hit anyways later this year.

The A95L is the best TV in existence. Just spend the money - it will last you a decade.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Waiting for the new 2024 models has really thrown me for a loop.
I'm currently using a 2008 lcd Bravia with dead pixel lines through the middle of the screen. Very ready for an upgrade and was eyeing the a80m as my replacement.
Now Sony has changed up its models and I can't decide between the Bravia 9 or the Bravia 8.

My living room is well lit but we tend to not use the tv unless it's afternoon/ night time.

I'd made my mind up to get oled but now all of the mini led talk has me second guessing.

Also the new 8 model isn't using a qoled screen that I thought it would and so its peak brightness still isn't as high as the A95L from last year. Should I just be grabbing the A95L?

I'm really stuck. Maybe I just need to wait for reviews. Not planning to make the purchase until first sales hit anyways later this year.

The 9 will be a beast.
I'd wait for that.

 

[Meicyn]

For context, the X95L was Sony's top of the line miniLED last year. The Bravia 9 clears it, and it's not even close. And the X95L is a really good TV too, it just looks anemic next to the 9. The ability to do fine control of backlight zones beyond just on/off is a massive fix to what was a massive weakness of LED tech as showcased by the first screenshot.

 

[Bojji]

ok get a good mini led with ads then talk about how awful it is, because it is not ,its close to a plasma in colors and picture ,i had plenty of tv aswell so i can talk about how va is not that great with colors tht look blown out and contrast aswell

That's why I said IPS/ADS needs really good backlight control and lots of dimming zones to fix shit native contrast ratio.

I have never seen good looking IPS panel but I don't doubt they can exist (high end tvs), personally I would choose VA tv every time even with black smearing and worse viewing angles.

For context, the X95L was Sony's top of the line miniLED last year. The Bravia 9 clears it, and it's not even close. And the X95L is a really good TV too, it just looks anemic next to the 9. The ability to do fine control of backlight zones beyond just on/off is a massive fix to what was a massive weakness of LED tech as showcased by the first screenshot.

This is Dune 1 or 2?

Dune BD is rated for 4000 nits but maxes out ~1000 and with just over 200 nits average. I don't get why you would need 50% more brightness than tv that already is almost ~1700 nits (X95L) to display it correctly.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

For context, the X95L was Sony's top of the line miniLED last year. The Bravia 9 clears it, and it's not even close. And the X95L is a really good TV too, it just looks anemic next to the 9. The ability to do fine control of backlight zones beyond just on/off is a massive fix to what was a massive weakness of LED tech as showcased by the first screenshot.

That fine control (discreet LED control) was the secret sauce the BMD offered the Z9D.
This Bravia 9 is going to be a monster.

 

[Meicyn]

Dune BD is rated for 4000 nits but maxes out ~1000 and with just over 200 nits average. I don't get why you would need 50% more brightness than tv that already is almost ~1700 nits (X95L) to display it correctly.

I'm not a specialist so I am not equipped to answer. But what I can say is, I trust my eyes and can see quite a huge difference in the result. I look forward to reading about the why when in depth reviewers and tech nerds get into the details.

I am genuinely curious how this model handles say, a star field test pattern. OLEDs have zero problem with them whereas most LEDs focus on avoiding blooming and the stars end up looking faded.

 

[Buggy Loop]

For context, the X95L was Sony's top of the line miniLED last year. The Bravia 9 clears it, and it's not even close. And the X95L is a really good TV too, it just looks anemic next to the 9. The ability to do fine control of backlight zones beyond just on/off is a massive fix to what was a massive weakness of LED tech as showcased by the first screenshot.

Holy crap

And I am still super impressed every time I play a movie on my X93L which was not even top tier that year, but identical hardware with software improvements over the X95K (making it having better diming control). The TV is in a bright room where daylight almost creeps to the TV and it still looks stunning. During the night if the brightness is max and I get an high HDR scene it will make me squint.

I can't imagine the Bravia 9.

 

[Bojji]

I'm not a specialist so I am not equipped to answer. But what I can say is, I trust my eyes and can see quite a huge difference in the result. I look forward to reading about the why when in depth reviewers and tech nerds get into the details.

I am genuinely curious how this model handles say, a star field test pattern. OLEDs have zero problem with them whereas most LEDs focus on avoiding blooming and the stars end up looking faded.

I can see where changes in backlight can improve first picture but second picture is quite bright so backlight shouldn't matter much - I don't see why mini led tv with 1700 nits couldn't produce accurate picture here.

Accurate - like nit for nit, SDR standard is 100 nits and when you increase brightness to ~400 nits (tv settings) picture isn't accurate anymore. Same for HDR where 400 nits scene should be 400 nits on every tv, same applies for 1000 nits, 1500 nits etc.

I don't get why one tv should produce brighter picture, one of them is inaccurate for sure (and this is dark room).

Anyway... 4000 nits standard is outdated and only for poor people. Look at this!

 

[hussar16]

That's why I said IPS/ADS needs really good backlight control and lots of dimming zones to fix shit native contrast ratio.

I have never seen good looking IPS panel but I don't doubt they can exist (high end tvs), personally I would choose VA tv every time even with black smearing and worse viewing angles.



This is Dune 1 or 2?

Dune BD is rated for 4000 nits but maxes out ~1000 and with just over 200 nits average. I don't get why you would need 50% more brightness than tv that already is almost ~1700 nits (X95L) to display it correctly.

try the u8k 65- 75 inches it is a ads panel tv its top of the line, with great brightness and contrast. i got the 85 inch version and its a va panel, good picture but awful viewing angles and blown out colors

 

[Kerotan]

People thought console wars were bad. They clearly haven't seen the TV wars. Although even that pales in comparison to the HD DVD Vs Blu Ray battle.

 

[vivftp]

I've had my 77" A80K for a couple years now and I've been extremely happy with it. The place I have it positioned can be completely sealed off from outside light and I have the entire surrounding area blacked out to absorb reflections, so the TV REALLY pops in a completely dark room. I can easily see it lasting me another 5+ years.

That said, I also use it for my secondary PC monitor and unfortunately there is some light burn-in. I take steps to minimize the burn-in, but it would be nice to have a display where I wouldn't have to worry about that. I dunno what the TVs will look like in 5+ years when I'm ready to buy a new one, but if I had to choose right now I very well would likely go with the Bravia 9.

Excited to see all this tech evolve.

 

[Kuranghi]

*runs into thread* Vincent Teoh personally told me HDR looks best on my ZD9 that he himself calibrated! *runs away again*

Nah the truth is VT told me he thinks the same thing anyone honestly evaluating the two competing technologies does: that there are strength and weaknesses in both.

On ZD9 (or even the most crushiest, Samsungeriffic FALDs) you're still gonna see blooming in HDR games with HUDs that aren't dynamic or have high fixed brightnesses because the native contrast can only do so much when local dimming is less of a factor due to near black backgrounds with really bright small-sized objects over them... but OLED motion produces much more stutter in 24fps content without MEMC and with 30/40fps games you can't reasonably do MEMC + it looks like ass most of the time anyway (eg during any z-movement or transparency effects) so you can't really count it.

Those are my two biggest issues over and above the others I think.

LCD motion being smeary (ZD9 is a sludge festival in specific scenarios but most of the time it helps with smoothing out 24/30fps content which works well with good motion blur) for 60fps+ games and OLED's much lower 100%, 50% and 25% window brightness does does annoy me a lot but not being to eliminate blooming or have less stuttery motion are more annoying.

Bravia 9 sounds cool, hopefully something to replace my ZD9, but 75" only and like £4500 RRP means I'll have to get a display model (hopefully). That would be the same as my ZD9 though, got that for £1260.

 

[dolabla]

Best Buy has the 55" and 65" Bravia 7 up for order. I just ordered the 55". Will be here next Saturday. Was gonna wait for reviews, but if it's an improvement over the X95L like it's being marketed, I'll be happy. Really would have liked to get the 9, but they want to make these tv's huge for whatever reason (55" is already big enough imo). Really like my QN90C, but I'll just move it to the bedroom.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

without burn-in issues

I really wish this FUD would die. There are no burn-in issues unless you literally watch a news channel 24/7.

 

[Deleted member 848825]

I really wish this FUD would die. There are no burn-in issues unless you literally watch a news channel 24/7.

The reality is somewhere in the middle for me.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

The reality is somewhere in the middle for me.

The reality is that I played four years and 6000 hours of Overwatch and Apex Legends on my 2019 LG C9 at max brightness, did absolutely nothing special to pamper the TV, and the panel was immaculate when I sold it.

 

[dolabla]

I really wish this FUD would die. There are no burn-in issues unless you literally watch a news channel 24/7.

The burn in risk is definitely there. It just depends on your use. I made the switch from a Sony OLED to Mini LED last year. While I never got burn in on the OLED, I did take precautions. It does feel good leaving the Mini LED on anything I want and not have to worry about that possibility. Plus the picture is still fantastic.

 

[Schorschi]

The A95L is the best TV in existence. Just spend the money - it will last you a decade.

I have a Sony A95L too. Best TV for me. Nits up too 1600 nits in spektakulär Highlights. DCI 100 Prozent, BT.2020 over 90 Prozent. Absolut fantastic

 

[Deleted member 848825]

The reality is that I played four years and 6000 hours of Overwatch and Apex Legends on my 2019 LG C9 at max brightness, did absolutely nothing special to pamper the TV, and the panel was immaculate when I sold it.

For several years after the 2019 sets launched, reports were very rare. I do see more now though, as the panels age. My 2019 set is still going strong, though its getting very light use now. But I have managed to burn in another panel, that I used for my PC. I'm balanced about it. Just something I'd still bear in mind.

 

[Kuranghi]

I'm going to try and get 75" Braiva 9 on clearance next year, I'm the biggest TV nerd around but £4499 is just too much for me. I reckon even the final NiB price will be £3k+.

Just had my old Sony colleague in the shop with me, I love Sony but he's such a fucking Stan jesus. I said "I can't wait to see the Bravia 9, finally a TV thats better in every way than my ZD9" and he says the X95L already smashes the ZD9 for PQ, which is complete lies, the 65 and 75" had a low native contrast and only the 85" came close to it but I couldn't have an 85" anyway so irrelevant to me. Why tf can't they have 65" Bravia 9 here, so fucking annoying he said its because the 65" is exclusive to Best Buy which we don't have here so I don't get that reasoning.

The Bravia 9 better not have that lower (any lower than 4000:1 imo) native contrast panel again because I don't care how good the contrast with LD enabled is the native contrast matters for near dark scenes with bright highlights, like HDR in games. If the native contrast is lower it raises the minimum black level in scenarios where the zone isn't switched off.

 

[dolabla]

Just saw this over on AVS. Bravia 7 does have the new prototype backlighting system they showed off at CES. It apparently just doesn't get as bright as the 9.

 

[EwwLink]

I'm really looking forward to the day I can see this tech in action.
I had to see 4K and OLED with my eyeballs, before I wanted to save up for a new TV.

 

[Meicyn]

Just saw this over on AVS. Bravia 7 does have the new prototype backlighting system they showed off at CES. It apparently just doesn't get as bright as the 9.

The biggest question that needs answering... do you get the full effect of the new backlighting tech in game mode? We will find out soon enough. I'm sure the answer is yes, but it'll be nice to get confirmation.

Oh and, apparently the Bravia 7 has been measured at 663 nits full field. It's pretty much on par with the X93L, but not as bright as the X95L which hit 761.

 

[hussar16]

I'm going to try and get 75" Braiva 9 on clearance next year, I'm the biggest TV nerd around but £4499 is just too much for me. I reckon even the final NiB price will be £3k+.

Just had my old Sony colleague in the shop with me, I love Sony but he's such a fucking Stan jesus. I said "I can't wait to see the Bravia 9, finally a TV thats better in every way than my ZD9" and he says the X95L already smashes the ZD9 for PQ, which is complete lies, the 65 and 75" had a low native contrast and only the 85" came close to it but I couldn't have an 85" anyway so irrelevant to me. Why tf can't they have 65" Bravia 9 here, so fucking annoying he said its because the 65" is exclusive to Best Buy which we don't have here so I don't get that reasoning.

The Bravia 9 better not have that lower (any lower than 4000:1 imo) native contrast panel again because I don't care how good the contrast with LD enabled is the native contrast matters for near dark scenes with bright highlights, like HDR in games. If the native contrast is lower it raises the minimum black level in scenarios where the zone isn't switched off.

What I found out after owning many oleds led lcd plasma mini led is that it's not all about contrast and by the book numbers. The most natural and best picture is a plasma bit it is dim especialy for today's standard so then I would say it is a match with qd oled and a mini led with ads panel pro not va. Qd oled and oled in general has great contrast and nice picture but it is not bright enough and also the picture introduces a fake inky look to everything . Basicly plasma was like looking at out of a window and oled is like looking at a nice painting while mini led with ads panel is like a mix of both

 

[dotnotbot]

The Bravia 9 better not have that lower (any lower than 4000:1 imo) native contrast panel again because I don't care how good the contrast with LD enabled is the native contrast matters for near dark scenes with bright highlights, like HDR in games. If the native contrast is lower it raises the minimum black level in scenarios where the zone isn't switched off.

Was there any VA LED TV in the past with viewing angle improving filter and native contrast over 3000:1?

EDIT: Hisense UX and Samsung QN95B had 3500-4000:1 so I guess that's the best we can hope for

EDIT2: Apparently 85" Sony X95L had almost 5000:1 with X-wide filter, I wonder if it's the same for smaller sizes. 65" Sony X95K had only 2000:1 contrast according to rtings.

 

[Kuranghi]

Was there any VA LED TV in the past with viewing angle improving filter and native contrast over 3000:1?

EDIT: Hisense UX and Samsung QN95B had 3500-4000:1 so I guess that's the best we can hope for

EDIT2: Apparently 85" Sony X95L had almost 5000:1 with X-wide filter, I wonder if it's the same for smaller sizes. 65" Sony X95K had only 2000:1 contrast according to rtings.

I believe the 65 and 75" X95L had a lower native contrast than the 85" due to X-Wide or similar tech. That's why I never looked at it as a replacement for my ZD9.

Seems Bravia 7 could be somewhere between X93L and X95L pq wise so Bravia 9 is what I'm waiting for now.

Sony seems determined to push LCD-likers to 85", so I wouldn't be surprised if they do something similar with B9, make the 85" almost like a different SKU, Hisense does the same with 100" U7K and U8K, they are a whole different beast than the smaller models. Seems unlikely Hisense will match Sony's processing any time soon though, Lego and Samson can't do it even with their own made chipsets.

 

[Mister Wolf]

 

[Von Hugh]

The blooming looks absolutely disgusting, to be honest.

 

[dotnotbot]

The blooming looks absolutely disgusting, to be honest.

Camera exaggerates this effect a bit, just like it amplifies desaturation close to the borders of the screen and in the edges typical to VA without X-wide filter or similar tech. But yeah, it's definitely not gonna be blooming free.

 

[Mister Wolf]

The blooming looks absolutely disgusting, to be honest.

I want to see the Bravia 9 display this image.

 

[alucard0712_rus]

Give me the lowdown GAF. Currently rocking my LG C9 since 2020 and am very happy with it, but am always open minded about new stuff, like this or the LG G range.

I have a Miniled TV (TCL C845).
Those are VA panels and viewing angles are horrible still! You lose all the contrast when viewing even at smallest angles.

 

[dotnotbot]

I have a Miniled TV (TCL C845).
Those are VA panels and viewing angles are horrible still! You lose all the contrast when viewing even at smallest angles.

TCL C845 has no viewing angle filter like Bravia 9 will have. Viewing angles are going to be significantly better (not as good as OLED still) though native contrast ratio takes some noticeable hit, and the lower the native contrast is, the more noticeable blooming becomes (greater difference between on and off state for backlight).

even at smallest angles.

Or even if you are watching it straight on but at a closer distance you will notice some desaturation (pic to illustrate how it looks like on a typical VA, it's not as bad in person):

It's especially noticeable on dark grey backgrounds. Some TVs compensate for this effect a bit using local dimming (I know Sony TVs do) so the gamma shift/desaturation isn't as noticeable with LD on.

 

[hussar16]

I have a Miniled TV (TCL C845).
Those are VA panels and viewing angles are horrible still! You lose all the contrast when viewing even at smallest angles.

Ads panels are so much better and have better natural colors.get hisense 75 inch iit has ads

 

[Three]

but how does it compare to 97% dci p3?
And my c1 is 750 nits. not 1000, so idk.

We are getting ridiculous over here. We were all playing on sdr monitors few years ago or even last year.
100-150 nits, 50% dci p3 coverage and it was all looking great.
Now we are chasing more and more and more color while people cant even see hdr vs sdr lol.
how much of that 76 vs 91 color volume can we see?

The colour volume required is what a human can see and an 'ideal TV' would require 10000 nits to cover it all. Would it make a big difference to most people possibly not but objectively one that covers the entire ideal colur volume is perceptible and better.

 

[Deleted member 848825]

If you're sensitive to blooming emissive is always going to be better. But then on my OLED's near black grey uniformity used to annoy me. And on my C1 I even had bright white grid issues with certain bright luminance scenes. But you had to go looking for it. There's no such thing as a perfect TV.

When I saw the 65" and 75" X95K's, which had twice the zone count of my Z9J, blooming was consistently more visible. And part of that was due to the different panel characteristics of CSOT vs AUO, where by on the CSOT panels, the blooming had a blue tint to it, making it more noticeable/distracting.

I do find on my Z9J you should have the panel perfectly angled and aligned to the seating position. Its fine off angle, but much better if you're not. Emissive is much better in that regard.

 

[rofif]

The colour volume required is what a human can see and an 'ideal TV' would require 10000 nits to cover it all. Would it make a big difference to most people possibly not but objectively one that covers the entire ideal colur volume is perceptible and better.

yes I understand. It makes sense of course.
I am wondering though... (just spitballing). When you sit inside and stare at your monitor in the semi dark. Let's say it's midday 12 and you have your shutters closed 50%.
You look outside the window and it's blindingly white. You go outside, spend there 15 minutes, you go back (let's say you want on the balcony to hang wet clothes) and suddenly, your room looks like a dark cave.
Our eyes adapt.

While 10k nits peak tv would be awesome, it would be awesome Outside.
If you put the daily window (10k nits tv) inside your dark room, it would probably be painful

 

[Deleted member 848825]

Was there any VA LED TV in the past with viewing angle improving filter and native contrast over 3000:1?

EDIT: Hisense UX and Samsung QN95B had 3500-4000:1 so I guess that's the best we can hope for

EDIT2: Apparently 85" Sony X95L had almost 5000:1 with X-wide filter, I wonder if it's the same for smaller sizes. 65" Sony X95K had only 2000:1 contrast according to rtings.

5000:1 on my Z9J. And the 85" X95K was always regarded as noticeably superior to its smaller panel sizes. So rtings may very well be right.

 

[JackMcGunns]

Ha, I remember back in the day when I got a Sony LCD, and it had dead pixels in several spots. Was pissed, turned me off from Sony for a few years since I returned it and got a Samsung. Then the Samsung started turning off on its own and software support was nonexistent.

Ended up doing Panasonic plasma TVs for awhile. We all know how that went in the end.

Electronics are risky, that's why you need a good warranty. I went a similar route, my journey began with a Panasonic when they were the king of plasma's and it did me well, then bought a Samsung F8500 series plasma and that lasted forever, finally I just recently got the A80J 77" in 2022 and knocking on wood I won't have any issues, expect for a few software glitches with audio and those damn HDMI inputs, but the last firmware update fixed most of the problems I've been experiencing. I would have gotten a QD-OLED, but a 65" was the largest they had at the time. I thought I would be regretting not waiting for the 77" QD-OLED, but now seeing the LG G4 killing those and Sony's new Mini LED setting things on fire, I'm curious to see where we go. I know they won't be matching OLED blacks, but if blooming is kept down to an insignificant margin and blacks are almost perfect, then we could have a winner.

Can't wait for that first head to head against the LG G4.