Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Didn't stop Spider-Man 2 from easily outselling Spider-Man.
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yurinka
Member
Their first party games already generate almost as much as money outside PS than in PS. If they keep adding more games, and save the Valve cut they'll generate more. And if they add 3rd party games, even more.
During a transitional time they'd continue publishing on Steam because the launcher/store would need years to have a big enough PC userbase. But in the long term yes, they could leave Steam.
Totoki, Hulst and Nishino mentioned that PC isn't negatively affect their console business: the opposite. Their metrics agree: their console userbase this last year had their all their highest active userbase number in PS history, and are making way more money with 1st party games than before.
On top of this, after starting their PC push they almost broke sales records with 1st party games released every year: TLOU2 (2020), GoWR (2022), Spider-Man 2 (2023), Helldivers (2024), most of them being sequels of games previously released on PC.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
It hasn’t…
Topher
Identifies as young
How do you know this?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
PS5 was sitting at 54 million units sold by Feb '24.
Are you seriously going to use that as a defense? That there weren't enough owners to buy Rebirth?
Yes, *we* were wrong about:
- PC being the only place GAAS thrives
- Monster Hunter being GAAS
- Any game with co-op being GAAS
- Some phantom TV spots for the PC version of Rebirth
- Thinking only 5 SP games have done well on Steam
That you're wrong and have sullied a perfectly fine actor and turned him into the bud of many jokes.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
So are sales on PC.
There weren’t twice as many PS4s sold as there were PS5 in the market when Rebirth launched, so halved sales tells an obvious story.
Not to mention a lot of the sales of the PS5 is front loaded to the hardcore gamers who are more likely to buy FF day 1. Especially since the previous FF game (XVI) was already current gen exclusive.
The game didn’t sell gangbusters anywhere.
HogIsland
Member
You're just inventing 1 year as normal here, when playstation used to be entirely exclusive to their own hardware. the idea that playstation would standardize around a 1 year delay for PC ports would've been almost unthinkable in 2021.
Same with games as a service. Playstation had exclusive gaas games before. As far back as MAG on the PS3. little big planet. Helldivers 2 surpassed expectations. Now with every major game launch, there's a trade off between having the biggest possible launch with PS5 + PC, or missing (conservatively) 30% of players who could buy your game. At the time when you're spending the entire game budget again on marketing for launch. Game sales are notoriously front loaded.
There's no different logic for maximizing CCUs on Marathon as selling $70 copies of The Last of Us 3 on a $500M budget.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
But it has? 2.5 million in 24 hours and 5 million in 11 days. They said it was the fastest-selling PS game of all time.
Damigos
Member
Despite unpopular as an opinion, i actually like exclusives. I see them as the pinnacle of a particular game console/system, the reason to buy it.
Nintendo does it better than anyone, there is a reason to get a Switch and its called Mario/Zelda/Metroid etc.
Therefore i would prefer Sony to stop releasing games on PC, MS releasing games on PS etc etc.
Nintendo does it better than anyone, there is a reason to get a Switch and its called Mario/Zelda/Metroid etc.
Therefore i would prefer Sony to stop releasing games on PC, MS releasing games on PS etc etc.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
PS4 sold 113M by Sept 2020, a few months after remake.
Good luck handwaving that away.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
“Fastest selling” in 24 hours is a meaningless metric
SM1 sold like 30 million copies and SM2 isn’t close
Why would the "next xbox" be able to run Steam but not EGS? Doesn't make any sense.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Because it was remastered for PS5 and PC. Doesn't change the fact that the PS5 had nowhere near the 100M PS4 units Spider-Man had when it was released back in September 2018. It didn't stop Spider-Man 2 from outpacing it. Why can FF use this excuse of user base?
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Again with this. Please show me where you're getting these numbers.
Self_Destructive
Member
Lmao this entire thread premise 
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Bro, your company is struggling and failing to make them lol
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Spider Man PS4 sold ~13 million in a year after release.
Spider Man 2 sold ~10 million 4 months after release with less than half the number of console units sold.
You've out Bo'd Bo_Hazem today, Jim.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
It’s not outpacing it, you’re just basing it on some 24 hour worthless stat
Compare first 12 months instead
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Thanks for proving my point. Doubtful it sold 3 million more by Sept 2024, and even then ps5 sales were closer to 70M by that point, so user base had grown
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
So what's Rebirth's excuse? Why has it sold less than half the units and has a worse tail an increased user base?
Just how many has it sold exactly, Jim, for you to think the PC version is a failure just 4 days after it came out, by comparison?
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Dunno, guess people didn’t like remake and decided to pass on rebirth?
Not the first time that’s happened, XV had a hugely negative impact to the series
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol It's literally coming out faster than any other AAA game.
If anything, im half expecting Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Tsushima 2 to launch Day One on PC.
unless of course Herman pulls another 180 like he did with GaaS recently. But thats a pipe dream. They are moving towards Day One with all their games, not just gaas trash like Concord and having Spiderman 2 come out just a year after launch literally points to this.
Helldivers 2 was a also huge on PC, way bigger than it was on PS5 so even if the PC audience doesnt exist for these SP action adventure games, you never know which one will go viral and make them hundreds of millions on PC. At this point, all they care about is cold hard cash.
My guess is that the reason why there hasnt been much marketing on it is because they have seen the poor sales of these action adventure games, and since all they care about is ROI, they see zero point in investing tens of millions in marketing games that will top out at 40k concurrent users at best. this will be the third Spiderman game on there and i think they know not to expect Helldivers 2 numbers so why bother? they will make their $20-30 million from it, and buy themselves a nice bonus by padding their profits.
If anything, im half expecting Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Tsushima 2 to launch Day One on PC.
unless of course Herman pulls another 180 like he did with GaaS recently. But thats a pipe dream. They are moving towards Day One with all their games, not just gaas trash like Concord and having Spiderman 2 come out just a year after launch literally points to this.
Helldivers 2 was a also huge on PC, way bigger than it was on PS5 so even if the PC audience doesnt exist for these SP action adventure games, you never know which one will go viral and make them hundreds of millions on PC. At this point, all they care about is cold hard cash.
My guess is that the reason why there hasnt been much marketing on it is because they have seen the poor sales of these action adventure games, and since all they care about is ROI, they see zero point in investing tens of millions in marketing games that will top out at 40k concurrent users at best. this will be the third Spiderman game on there and i think they know not to expect Helldivers 2 numbers so why bother? they will make their $20-30 million from it, and buy themselves a nice bonus by padding their profits.
Self_Destructive
Member
Those games... and those companies.. release their games day 1 on PC and have good rapport with PC gamers. Unlike Final Fantasy and Sony first party..... for now.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No. It also did 5 million in 11 days. That's despite being sold on a platform with what? 50 million units? 60 million? FF doesn't even come close, so the number of consoles on the market is a lame excuse. Games like Spider-Man and FF drive consoles sales, not the other way around. People buy consoles for games, they don't buy games for the consoles.
bitbydeath
Member
I think it’s too early for them to change course but they will no doubt be evaluating its success and using that to decide its future.
If you want them to continue, then you must buy them.
If you want them to continue, then you must buy them.
That 30 million includes Spiderman 1 PC and Miles Morales PS4 + PS5 + PC.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ok, so in conclusion, here are the facts:
- None of us know how good / bad Rebirth has sold, we just know from industry trackers that it was selling half of Remake's sales with the outlook that it will have a worse drop-off than Remake over time.
- Square has declined to put out any sales figures over the last year for the console version.
- The PC version has the highest CCU count for a single player FF game on Steam, only behind FF14.
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Kacho
Gold Member
This doesn’t matter
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
True, that’s why Starfield’s CCUs are a mystery…
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
3 of the top 5 games right now are single player games. Including one very old game port (RDr 2.)
The list is also based on revenue not sales, hence why GAAS stuff is always on the charts. If Sony did the same you’d see stuff like Fortnite and Genshin Impact at the top every month.
There are single player games that do better on PC and those that do better on consoles. Cherry picking FF7R would be as absurd as cherry picking a Civ game released on PC and console.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
They fell off a cliff and went below Skyrim after like 2 months.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Still sold a ton on PC
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Probably below what Bethesda expected because the game is trash.
Kacho
Gold Member
Bethesda RPGs have much broader appeal than Final Fantasy games. Especially on PC.
But there is a parallel here. Starfield damaged the appeal of their games, much like Square continues to damage the appeal Final Fantasy had with lackluster games. GOTY noms and inflated metacritic scores won't trick people into liking bad products.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
I swear, man, This forum.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
This only holds true for subsequent releases.
Starfield = bad, next game tarnished
FF7R = good, next game will improve
FF7R should help restore confidence in the brand despite selling at a slower clip
I think FF7 is just too entrenched to justify 3 games, most people don’t want to have that kind of investment
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Firestartah
Banned
If you say so lil bro
Capcom says PC will remain their main platform:
Capcom say PC will remain their “main platform” as mobile releases ramp up with Resident Evil on iPhone
But would “gracefully decline” a buyout offer from Microsoft.
www.rockpapershotgun.com
Capcom Now Sells More Units On PC Than All Three Consoles Combined
Capcom Now Sells More Units On PC Than All Three Consoles Combined
Capcom has sold more games on PC than PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo combined, showing PC gaming dominance.
tech4gamers.com
Just cause your late to the party rEmAsTeReD slop doesnt do as much as new games on PC doesnt change the fact that PC is the sensation platform right now.
Kacho
Gold Member
I agree with you on this 100%
Hari Seldon
Member
PC Gamers rejecting these mid games from Sony is peak gaf drama lmao. FF7 CCU is a rounding error compared to Civ7 in 2 weeks.
DarkstarRising13
Member
I'm not wanting to divert your opinion, but I wanted to give my input.If you say so lil bro
Capcom says PC will remain their main platform:
Capcom say PC will remain their “main platform” as mobile releases ramp up with Resident Evil on iPhone
But would “gracefully decline” a buyout offer from Microsoft.
Capcom Now Sells More Units On PC Than All Three Consoles Combined
Capcom Now Sells More Units On PC Than All Three Consoles Combined
Capcom has sold more games on PC than PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo combined, showing PC gaming dominance.
Just cause your late to the party rEmAsTeReD slop doesnt do as much as new games on PC doesnt change the fact that PC is the sensation platform right now.
1. We have people complaining about Dragon Dogma's PC optimization which, y'know...kinda goes against the article's "Capcom prioritizes PC Platform" over others. Plus, we have gamers who are not happy about the system requirements for Monster Hunter Wilds.
2. Doesn't that article say it's because of the low price of the game's retail + huge discounts Steam has?
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
"Mid" let's not be silly here. Rebirth and 90 percent of the other games playsation have ported to PC are nowhere near mid by any metric.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You know they aren't smart enough to do that.
FTFY
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
They don't need to go full exclusive. Nor should they keep decreasing the time to put their games on PC. It's a medium to long term loser for Sony if they go that route. Apple and Nintendo understand this VERY well.
Quite the pivot. Your previous post insinuated you wanted them to go full exclusive.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The reason not to advertise is because these games have been out for months already and are trading on their actual reception rather than pure hype.
Plus advertising is expensive. A $3 million porting job only needs approx 75000 copies sold at $60 to be in profit.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Sony first party simply isn’t on the same level as Nintendo in terms of sales, IP strength, output, or variety. Switch selling 100M+ nearly all on the back of their first party output. Legitimately nobody else could do what they do. You might like Sony’s game’s better but they aren’t the same. Even the terrible modern Pokemon games sell a ton.
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