Sony Interactive Entertainment to skip Gamescom, only to have a major presence at ChinaJoy the same month

Sony haven't attended Gamescom since 2019 and still it makes headlines not attending the show in 2025 lol.
Nintendo and Microsoft will duke it out at Gamescom an already saturated market leaving Sony to focus on the larger game show in a region with huge growth opportunity and developer talent all by themselves. Well yeah makes total business sense.
 
I does not surprise me. Most signs point out that there's no games from them to show...
Like another poster said, they havent been to Gamescon since 2019. They already released Death Stranding and they just gave us more info on Ghost of Yotei. Im guessing they're skipping Gamescon for Chinajoy to show off games they're publishing or funding like Phantom Blade Zero and Lost Soul aside.
 
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This is quite possibly one of the most insanely stupid things I've ever read lmfao.

nah more like you let your hatred for china cloud your mind, their chinajoy getting bigger and bigger over year, and their thirst for GAAS more inline with sony now, we, these countries around china and japan in this time of year get more news, and cosplay picture, of chinajoy than TGS
 
More Chinese Soulslikes?

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Isn't ChinaJoy massive now? Last couple years its been the more interesting gaming show for me.

More Interesting than what show?

This is what Sony brought last year:
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More like Western Development is second rate.

Asian games development is entering a renaissance. Get on board or go home!
That's because Europe no longer exists but Asia still does.
They also have EU and US markets on lock.

It's smarter to focus on the market with a lot of potential for growth.
I'm glad they're doing a big show there but why the absence at gamescom?

It isn't that they consider western players second class citizens.

PS already dominates in EU and NA, where they are very well known and have huge numbers in social media and YouTube, while in Asia (in gaming the largest gaming market, China is the top 1 country in the world regarding revenue and playerbase, and a few countries like India or Indonesia are some of the fastest growing ones in the world) they are way smaller and have more room for growth, and in fact are substantially growing more there than in EU and NA.

So it makes sense they prefer right now to push big in-person events in China (ChinaJoy) and Japan (TGS) over Gamescom, specially when Chinajoy is bigger than Gamescom.
 
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C'mon, nial stop tripping buddy, you know damn well that the majority of people know about "ChinaJoy" for like two or so years now, while Gamescom has been a main event in the early days of Neogaf even. I was here in 2009 Lurking already, and Gamescom was already well known. ChinaJoy for the Gamers interests(meaning You and Me) are rather niche compared to Gamescom, and all those Games that have been showcased, revealed or Demoed at the Event. You know I'm right buddy, regarding that.
Nobody knew that a "ChinaJoy" even existed 3 years ago, except the Chinese Demographic
So what? Not that it makes it niche, especially compared to Gamescom which has been irrelevant for a while now. It's not 2009 anymore.
But okay, what about the fact that they're going to Tokyo Game Show as well? Surely that's not niche for you?
Can't show anything when you don't have anything.
I mean they had to delay/cancel/scratch their 39 gaas multiplayer shooters, ofc they got nothing to show now :P
They don't really have anything first party to show. With the China Hero project they have some exclusives + all those gachas.
Get better material, sisters. They're going to TGS as well. 😘
 
The Chinese will get gobbled up by PC and Steam. Lord Gaben is ever hungry.
So Sony is proactive in publishing a lot of these Chinese games that will end up on PC and Steam. If they can't sell a lot of consoles over their atleast they can get some of that software money on PC.
 
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So Sony is proactive in publishing a lot of these Chinese games that will end up on PC and Steam. If they can't sell a lot of consoles over their atleast they can get some of that software money on PC.
They need to do that because console publishing permissions will take a while to materialize, so it's important that those Chinese games are available on all of China from day one.
For example, Horizon Forbidden West and Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart did not release in Mainland China until last year.
 
China has huge growth potential while Europe is near saturation. Smart decision.

This is Sony's secert for long term console growth. A hard focus on India will be next after China. India will more than likely be their focus in the 2030s.

They have nothing. This company sucks and they are not even 10% of what they used to be.

fuck even their input during the PS3 era was better than this.

What a shit of a company, thanks to its poor management and wasted years chasing GaaS when its single-player exclusive games are what made them stand out.

All thanks to no competition anymore. if you want a home console, you really don't have a choice ( Nintendo lives in its own bubble, they don't count )

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They need to do that because console publishing permissions will take a while to materialize, so it's important that those Chinese games are available on all of China from day one.
For example, Horizon Forbidden West and Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart did not release in Mainland China until last year.
I get that but Sony is seems like they aggressively trying to gain more marketshare on both sides of Console and PC there in comparison to Nintendo and Microsoft.
 
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So what? Not that it makes it niche, especially compared to Gamescom which has been irrelevant for a while now. It's not 2009 anymore.
But okay, what about the fact that they're going to Tokyo Game Show as well? Surely that's not niche for you?



Get better material, sisters. They're going to TGS as well. 😘
Can't wait to see what third party timed exclusives they have!
 
So what? Not that it makes it niche, especially compared to Gamescom which has been irrelevant for a while now. It's not 2009 anymore.
But okay, what about the fact that they're going to Tokyo Game Show as well? Surely that's not niche for you?



Get better material, sisters. They're going to TGS as well. 😘
TGS is also on the more niche side, but I bet it's still more well known to mainstream Gamers than ChinaJoy, Gamers still love Japanese Centric Games, especially on enthusiast sites like Era or Neogaf. You also have Big Companies like Nintendo showing first time gameplay Demos of some of their Games exclusively at TGS, same for Konami or Capcom, while I don't even know which Games the Chinese Demographic is basically hype for at the moment, other than it being China exclusive and service based(mostly)
 
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TGS is also on the more niche site, but I bet it's still more well known to mainstream Gamers than ChinaJoy, Gamers still love Japanese Centric Games, especially on enthusiast sites like Era or Neogaf. You also have Big Companies like Nintendo showing first time gameplay Demos of some of their Games exclusively at TGS, same for Konami or Capcom, while I don't even know which Games the Chinese Demographic is basically hype for at the moment, other than it being China exclusive and service based(mostly)
Barely, there isn't exactly a massive difference between Gamescom and TGS, and you don't need to pretend that they're not within the same ballpark, in turn making your initial comment inaccurate.
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>Nintendo
>showing up at TGS ever
wut?
 
C'mon, nial stop tripping buddy, you know damn well that the majority of people know about "ChinaJoy" for like two or so years now, while Gamescom has been a main event in the early days of Neogaf even. I was here in 2009 Lurking already, and Gamescom was already well known. ChinaJoy for the Gamers interests(meaning You and Me) are rather niche compared to Gamescom, and all those Games that have been showcased, revealed or Demoed at the Event. You know I'm right buddy, regarding that.

Ah, yes, the main event-- GAMESCOM! Just think of all the great games which have been unveiled at Gamescom:


...Huh, actually, not much is coming to mind. How's your list of greatest Gamescom reveals ever? Not a lot, right? There's a reason for that actually, and it's a factor which hasn't had much presence in this conversation so far.

Gamescom ain't shit

Gamecom has been a third-rate event for its history, as was Leipzig before it. The show has massive attendance because 1. it's open to the public, 2. it advertises itself as a big event because it has open doors, and 3, it coagulates all the small countries of Europe into a central convention hall, and there can be a lot of small-deal business to do with these entities (particularly for the Christmas season orders) which otherwise aren't that important to deal with. So it feels big, and the press makes the most meal of it that they can, but as a trade show and as a consumer event, it has little impact on the market (especially now in the digital era where publishers don't rely on regional distributors to shift product around countries they don't have stakes in,) and it's so near to both the holiday shopping season and the previous E3 (or now "Summer of Games") announcement season that it's a bad place to debut software.

Just look through its history. Last year we saw a Borderlands 4 teaser, the year before a new season of Diablo was the headline, PT came out during Gamescom, usually there's some CoD stuff there and THQ or Nordic or whatever they're called now trots out its slate. Stuff like that happens at Gamescom. Otherwise companies just re-announce+ what they previously announced in June and then they fill the floor with old games or the E3 demo of what's coming out in the next month for the holidays. It's the "World's Largest Game Convention", but in terms of generating hype or moving units or doing anything which these events are designed to do, it's a paper tiger.
 
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Sign of the times. These big game expos aren't so important anymore. E3 fizzled out despite many attempts to keep it going. And I don't think keithleys award show shows many wow factor games either.

Big gaming corps prefer their streaming shows.

If game demos and kiosks were that important, then game companies would still be doing tons of playable demo downloads like a few gens ago.

Instead, they prefer just to show videos of the game and hope you buy blind.
 
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Sign of the times. These big game expos aren't so important anymore. E3 fizzled out despite many attempts to keep it going. And I don't think keithleys award show shows many wow factor games either.

Big gaming corps prefer their streaming shows.

If game demos and kiosks were that important, then game companies would still be doing tons of playable demo downloads like a few gens ago.

Instead, they prefer just to show videos of the game and hope you buy blind.
They're literally attending both ChinaJoy (as stated in the thread) and TGS. It's just Gamescom that's not important to Sony anymore.
I was just joking with this before, but are guys seriously stopping reading at 'skip Gamescom' on the thread title, and then immediately going to post a comment?
 
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>Nintendo
>showing up at TGS ever
wut?
I must admit, I got it mixed up, it's not that Nintendo attented, but rather that Big Japanese Companies always showcased their Nintendo exclusive titles often exclusively at TGS. In that case you're right, however my overall point still stands that both (tgs too despite being on the niche side) are more known to the mainstream than ChinaJoy ever was
 
Ah, yes, the main event-- GAMESCOM! Just think of all the great games which have been unveiled at Gamescom:


...Huh, actually, not much is coming to mind. How's your list of greatest Gamescom reveals ever? Not a lot, right? There's a reason for that actually, and it's a factor which hasn't had much presence in this conversation so far.

Gamescom ain't shit

Gamecom has been a third-rate event for its history, as was Leipzig before it. The show has massive attendance because 1. it's open to the public, 2. it advertises itself as a big event because it has open doors, and 3, it coagulates all the small countries of Europe into a central convention hall, and there can be a lot of small-deal business to do with these entities (particularly for the Christmas season orders) which otherwise aren't that important to deal with. So it feels big, and the press makes the most meal of it that they can, but as a trade show and as a consumer event, it has little impact on the market (especially now in the digital era where publishers don't rely on regional distributors to shift product around countries they don't have stakes in,) and it's so near to both the holiday shopping season and the previous E3 (or now "Summer of Games") announcement season that it's a bad place to debut software.

Just look through its history. Last year we saw a Borderlands 4 teaser, the year before a new season of Diablo was the headline, PT came out during Gamescom, usually there's some CoD stuff there and THQ or Nordic or whatever they're called now trots out its slate. Stuff like that happens at Gamescom. Otherwise companies just re-announce+ what they previously announced in June and then they fill the floor with old games or the E3 demo of what's coming out in the next month for the holidays. It's the "World's Largest Game Convention", but in terms of generating hype or moving units or doing anything which these events are designed to do, it's a paper tiger.
If you ignore all the first time demos of companies, world premiers, first time hands on impressions of big games from the Press, which Neogaf sure loves btw, sure 🤷
 
Typical Neogaf revisionist history bullshit striking again. Maybe I should just post past Gamescom threads which got y'all hyped from impressions from Press for anticipated Games or even Impressions from Neogaf members that also attended the Gamescom event which also got people hyped. It was inevitable from the Sony apologists anyway
Gamescom was never relevant apparently
 
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No surprise. Sony has had zero/minimal presence at Gamescom for as long as I can remember. It's not like they have anything worth a damn to show off.

Gamescom is more of a PC event for me. That's when all the Eurojank devs promote their stuff.
 
So it makes sense they prefer right now to push big in-person events in China (ChinaJoy) and Japan (TGS) over Gamescom, specially when Chinajoy is bigger than Gamescom.

Even "prefer" is something of an overstatement in this case; it's not that Sony is choosing one over the other, it's that Sony is choosing to go to a worthwhile show and has little interest in another.

As far as I can remember, Sony has not had a big presence at Gamescom, and especially once they stopped producing trade show demos, they've not had much software to bring. (Since probably the PS3 on, Sony's business strategy has been to place its big titles in Q1 rather than compete with the 3rd party publishers with a Christmas title, so not only have they curtailed the quantity of games put out as SIE games, they don't generally have titles ready for the floor the way Christmas-oriented publishers do.) Sony usually has a booth on the floor of whatever recent stuff can show, but skipping it means nothing negative or otherwise for the European region. Sony knows they can do much more with a simple Direct than they can at an old-school convention, and if they happen to have good reason to host a Direct in August during the same time of Gamescom, nothing's stopping them from doing that while nothing's pressuring them to make it happen at that time.

ChinaJoy may not be on every NEOgaffer's mind (because it's for China, in Chinese, and it doesn't get covered easily by mainstream press because, again, it's in China) but Sony has had a presence there for all ChinaJoy's history since 2004. They use it as a chance to sell PlayStations in a market which is difficult to gain footholds in from the outside (and has generally been disinterested in consoles.) And then in 2016, Sony launched the successful PlayStation Hero Project, which incubated games by Chinese game developers and helped put home-grown games out in the market with PlayStation branding. ChinaJoy has been a successful event for the company, and so they're continuing their attendance there.

(BTW, the "major presence" mentioned in the headline of this topic is relative. Sony will have a booth, they will have all their old games which are new to China, including some 3rd Party titles they will bring along to fill out the roster, and they will have updates on all the China Hero Project titles. There won't be a keynote; there won't be a flagship AAA game announcement, unless they make a deal with a Chinese developer like MiHoYo or a Tencent company; Sony will just be there doing Chinese-market game business.)
 
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If you ignore all the first time demos of companies, world premiers, first time hands on impressions of big games from the Press, which Neogaf sure loves btw, sure 🤷

Great. Name all your favorites.

I named mine, and in terms of megaton-level main events, there isn't much. PT happened there, kind of, and even that was largely for timing so that the following TGS could formally announce the title. What else?

You and I will both be here in August, we can revisit this thread, and you can tell me then if you really feel that GAF loved all the world premieres and demos once the show happens. I'm pretty confident in predicting it'll be a meh show, dwarfed even by this year's mediocre SoG season. And I have history to back my prediction. I'd prefer it if you were right though, that Gamescom this year was really a main-event show, but we'll see in August if that happens...
 
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I must admit, I got it mixed up, it's not that Nintendo attented, but rather that Big Japanese Companies always showcased their Nintendo exclusive titles often exclusively at TGS. In that case you're right, however my overall point still stands that both (tgs too despite being on the niche side) are more known to the mainstream than ChinaJoy ever was
And Sony is attending TGS, that's the entire point.
And sorry, if TGS is on the niche side, then Gamescom is as well.
No surprise. Sony has had zero/minimal presence at Gamescom for as long as I can remember. It's not like they have anything worth a damn to show off.

Gamescom is more of a PC event for me. That's when all the Eurojank devs promote their stuff.
Not the exact reason as they are literally attending two other big events instead.
 
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Like CamHostage CamHostage said above, they will be there to show off their old games that haven't released in China and conduct business. They aren't going there to drop megatons.
Booths are the main draw of the event, and stuff like Lost Soul Aside and Convallaria are very likely to have trailers there, both of which I'm pretty sure are more important to the Chinese market than the rest of PlayStation Studios games.
In the case of TGS, they will 100% line-up a State of Play a day before the event just like they did last year, which is important to note as it was held on a Wednesday, when SOPs are usually on Thursdays or Fridays (all three JST). Worth mentioning that Death Stranding 2 also had a full-on PlayStation Presents panel at TGS last year, so they're not going there just to have a booth.
Misleading article. They are simply skipping the showfloor at gamescom( for 6th year in a row), they could still be present at the opening night live showcase.
The last time SIE was present there was in 2022 to announce the DualSense Edge, I wouldn't personally expect anything.
 
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China is going to be the biggest video game market in the future and Sony knows that… The issue here is the type of game they play, not in line with the occidental preferences.
 
They're literally attending both ChinaJoy (as stated in the thread) and TGS. It's just Gamescom that's not important to Sony anymore.
I was just joking with this before, but are guys seriously stopping reading at 'skip Gamescom' on the thread title, and then immediately going to post a comment?
Sony has been trimming their expos for years. They didnt attend E3 2019 either when that show was still big and had MS and Nintendo there. E3 2020 was cancelled due to covid, but they had planned to bail anyway. And when E3 went online for 2021, Sony bailed again while most big gaming corps attended.
 
Sony has been trimming their expos for years. They didnt attend E3 2019 either when that show was still big and had MS and Nintendo there. E3 2020 was cancelled due to covid, but they had planned to bail anyway. And when E3 went online for 2021, Sony bailed again while most big gaming corps attended.
Sony mainly left E3 because they disliked the way ESA was running the event. You can see this from the fact that they DID have a general booth at Tokyo Game Show just three months later in 2019.
 
Great. Name all your favorites.

I named mine, and in terms of megaton-level main events, there isn't much. PT happened there, kind of, and even that was largely for timing so that the following TGS could formally announce the title. What else?

You and I will both be here in August, we can revisit this thread, and you can tell me then if you really feel that GAF loved all the world premieres and demos once the show happens. I'm pretty confident in predicting it'll be a meh show, dwarfed even by this year's mediocre SoG season. And I have history to back my prediction. I'd prefer it if you were right though, that Gamescom this year was really a main-event show, but we'll see in August if that happens...


These are just two examples, I can't seem to find more Neogaf OT for some reason, but it's weird to me that you pretend that Gamescom showcases(especially Sonys) were never big or relevant, when they consistently had 70+ pages in a single day discussion topic btw here on Neogaf (and Era too obviously) people were thirsty for gameplay Demos of big blockbuster Games for example. There was also anticipation for Surprise reveals from gaming companies like say Capcom or Konami. Also you're kinda low balling the hype PT had, when to this day people still say its the best Horror Game Experience of all time, or the Hype behind Silent Hills reveal.
 
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These are just two examples, I can't seem to find more Neogaf OT for some reason, but it's weird to me that you pretend that Gamescom showcases(especially Sonys) were never big or relevant, when they consistently had 70+ pages in a single day discussion topic btw here on Neogaf (and Era too obviously) people were thirsty for gameplay Demos of big blockbuster Games for example.

Right, so like I said, it's a re-run of E3, with bonus content. They cut additional trailers of the games they announced in June (and/or they release to the public content only shown behind closed doors previously,) they truck over their existing E3 demos to Europe, and they fill out the floor with existing games.

I mean, this is the full top 10 of the 2019 example you provided, where Hideo Kojima was the headline. (...Again, a case of bringing additional content to Gamescom of a which was formally announced and showcased at previous E3s and TGSes, although it might be that first gameplay was at Gamescom.) Look through the rest of the announcements and tell me what of these stories would have been more than a blip during any given day of a regular E3 season:


I'm not saying this to hurt your feelings. Enjoy Gamescom, if you want. Go if you can, tickets are surely still available! But it's the secondary market of game shows; publishers arrange their schedules around the key shows and then factor in Gamescom as an otherwise. Everything big is announced in June for business strategy reasons, and most titles demoed are on or near-to market since there is little reason to produce demo content for a show leading into the shopping season if it can't be bought.

Sure, Sony should be there. Every big game publisher should support every mass-market gamer event. But strategically, if Sony didn't see value in E3 for the better part of a decade, it sure knows it's not going to get great gains from Gamescom.
 
Also you're kinda low balling the hype PT had, when to this day people still say its the best Horror Game Experience of all time, or the Hype behind Silent Hills reveal.

I'm not low-balling the PT hype, I'm using it as an example of what's probably the greatest Gamescom "announcement" ever still only casually prioritizing the event of Gamescom as a hype generator. The demo was stealth-launched to homes, and got a quick teaser shown in the PS sizzle reel, (back when Sony supported Gamescom, and other events which it eventually dropped,), purposefully with no info about it other than the tease. The whole experience of P.T. had to be felt at home, since AFAIK there were no kiosks of P.T. on the Gamescom show floor, so everybody actually at Gamescom had to leave to play the biggest game of the event. Then players and dataminers cracked it and found out what PT really was (which is difficult to tell how long Kojima expected that to take, maybe they figured it'd take days or weeks even though it was cracked in just a few hours,) and even though it was solved during the Gamescom timeline, Kojima and Sony and Konami took until TGS to actually discuss the project and release something more like a trailer (for a game that soon fell apart.) This kind of stealth-announcement is quite feasible in the digital era (it's been done with whole game launches, not just demos) and it would have been a major event whether or not the company had planned it around a game event, but it did happen at Gamescom in 2014 as part of Sony's slate of 2014 Gamescom content.



So yeah, PT was maybe the 4th or 5th biggest trade show event Hideo Kojima ever pulled off, but it was big, and it did happen at Gamescom. It never happened again; I don't need a crystal ball to prognosticate that it won't happen this year.
 
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GamesCom is irrelevant. Period.

Pretty much always has been, ECTS (GamesCom's predecessor) made some sense back in the day as a venue for business because back in the 90's the UK was the third largest global producer of games software.

But since E3's no longer a thing... why the fuck would anyone care about a showcase for essentially the leftovers from the early summer marketing showcases that replaced E3?
 
Right, so like I said, it's a re-run of E3, with bonus content. They cut additional trailers of the games they announced in June (and/or they release to the public content only shown behind closed doors previously,) they truck over their existing E3 demos to Europe, and they fill out the floor with existing games.

I mean, this is the full top 10 of the 2019 example you provided, where Hideo Kojima was the headline. (...Again, a case of bringing additional content to Gamescom of a which was formally announced and showcased at previous E3s and TGSes, although it might be that first gameplay was at Gamescom.) Look through the rest of the announcements and tell me what of these stories would have been more than a blip during any given day of a regular E3 season:


I'm not saying this to hurt your feelings. Enjoy Gamescom, if you want. Go if you can, tickets are surely still available! But it's the secondary market of game shows; publishers arrange their schedules around the key shows and then factor in Gamescom as an otherwise. Everything big is announced in June for business strategy reasons, and most titles demoed are on or near-to market since there is little reason to produce demo content for a show leading into the shopping season if it can't be bought.

Sure, Sony should be there. Every big game publisher should support every mass-market gamer event. But strategically, if Sony didn't see value in E3 for the better part of a decade, it sure knows it's not going to get great gains from Gamescom.
Good, you're describing what made Gamescom great and big, "hands on" experiences and Demos. That's what I'm trying to say the whole time. It also had first time gameplay reveals from teasers shown at E3 prior. What made Gamescom great was we got greater inside knowledge about hyped games. Press Hands-on and Impressions, more gameplay footage or first time gameplay footage from Games, even members on this Forum that attented also got to experience hands on for the first time at the companies booths. That's what made Gamescom Special compared to other events. So again saying that Gamescom was never big or relevant is weird to me.
 
Get better material, sisters. They're going to TGS as well. 😘
Not sure what you're trying to defend here bud.
My point still stands as historically TGS has never been about their first parties but rather exclusive deals or just Japanese games marketing. Yotei could appear, but I'm betting that's the extent of it.
 
This is Sony's secert for long term console growth. A hard focus on India will be next after China. India will more than likely be their focus in the 2030s.



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Yeah China for now but India will be more attractive with less restrictions and a long standing love for all thing's Sony amongst Indians.
 
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