It does but I meant it doesn't stop people saying a PS game is coming to PC like it's a certainty and planned from the beginning even when it releases 2+ years later. Yet if PSVR2 PC is planned to release 2 yrs later it wasn't planned?
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Sony; PS VR2 was "designed with PC connection in mind from the beginning."
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R6Rider
Gold Member
Reminds me of the "why is there no backwards compatibility with PSVR1 games?" posts that you still see.
sendit
Member
The Valve Index is ancient. It should be a single cable.I'm not sure what people have against the adapter. The Valve Index cable to connect to your PC:
Look familiar?
People are championing the Quest for Link but that crap streams your PCVR games even via cable. It compresses by using your PC resources to encode a video on the fly then decode it on the other side of the cable because it doesn't support Display Port over USB-C either:
The quests are also known to still require battery even when plugged into your PC because they dont get enough power from the PC.
The PSVR2 is like most high end headsets out there with its own display cable/port, power, and usb connection. The Valve index is a PC only headset, not from 2004 and does the exact same thing.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Literally everything you said proves that PSVR2 was not designed with PC in mind. How was my comment ignorant if you provided a detailed list of reasons why my comment is true?
fart town usa
Member
The people with the biggest hate boners for VR have likely never played it. It's always the same handful of posters spouting the same nonsense.
Hero_Select
Member
uh-huh, sure it was
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
I love my psvr2 but this is next level
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
daffyduck
Member
Yes, there aren’t a lot of VR games that support eye tracking on PC, for instance.
However the (more expensive) VR headsets with eye tracking, *do* continue to support that feature with the few PC games that support it (eg flight sims).
What’s Sony’s excuse?
The Valve index released in 2019, PSVR in 2023, Pimax Crystal in 2024 all of them have 3 wires that combine into 1 for the headset.
bender
What time is it?
Dan Aykroyd?
fart town usa
Member
Is it really feasible to have all the unique features automatically work though? We don't even get all those features when playing most VR games from the PSN store.
Lack of HDR surprises me the most, and hand controller rumble (assuming that also doesnt work), but all the other things, it seems like it would need to be baked into the game itself.
I honestly don't know. Just basing it off my own experience with games.
fart town usa
Member
Most PSVR2 games on PSN don't even support all the unique features and are just pure Quest ports. I'm honestly confused as to why people expected all these things to automatically work when connected to a PC. Developers themselves say they need to implement these things when porting to PSVR2.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Do you think you can just plug in the USBC cable in your pc and it works?
That’s not how it works. None of the PCVR headsets work like that. All have a form of a box or multiple cables.
How does that answer his ‘what’s the point’ question?
The Quest 2/3 are the dominant PCVR headsets and most folks have no issues playing HL Alyx.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Most folks with Quest 2/3 don't even touch PCVR lol. It's a standalone platform.
daffyduck
Member
I agree with your first sentence.
However, again, why can’t it support those features in the cases where the application software (and the developers of such) does support them?
Other PCVR headsets that have those unique features can do it.
fart town usa
Member
That's a fair expectation, I agree, it should be supported if other games already have it implemented. All I've seen is people acting like it should be present in all games and that's where my confusion stemmed from.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Why does it matter what people say?
I wish I could make progress with getting people to understand how the corporate world works.
Just because hardware is designed for PC doesn't mean Sony had moved in a direction of supporting software on PC at that time.
PSVR came out in 2016. They almost certainly started working on PSVR2 after PSVR came out, maybe even beforehand. The idea for PSVR2 to work on PC probably came well before Sony thought they would support PC with software.
The first PC release from Sony came out in August 2020. So, if you assume they started the port a year earlier, August 2019, and then maybe a quarter before that they began planning, so you're looking at Q1 or Q2 2019 and that's a completely different stream and roadmap. Call of the Mountain was announced in January of 2022. Assuming it had already been in development for a couple of years, it is no surprise that it wouldn't have been developed for PC.
There is little reason why Sony would need to port their PC games in order to sell headsets on PC. That being said, I would not be surprised if Until Dawn supports VR on both PC and PS5, but not because of the headset, but rather to sell more copies on PC.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
TheGodfather07
Member
If they really had PC in mind, it would have full support from day 1.
It doesn't, I just found it funny how 2+ years can be planned and somehow a certainty for games but apparently impossible to plan for VR hardware.
R6Rider
Gold Member
Roman Empire
Member
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I don't even know what you're getting at at this point...
I'm saying I've seen people commenting that because PC support for PSVR2 is releasing around 1.5yrs later it must not have been planned for PC before. Some of those same people though are adamant that all of the PS games are planned for PC, some releasing 2+ years later. I'm questioning why they think software that was released 2+ years later than PS was planned all along and all they needed to do is wait but hardware that gets PC support <2 years later than PS could not have been planned before.
Basically everyone is questioning this:
But if they had said this about some game everyone would be saying "duh, I knew it!" with a dumb grin.
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MarkMe2525
Gold Member
Why would they want this statement out there, in light of core features not being supported on PC. If they play it as PC support being a bonus, then it is justifiable. If they want to play it as "this was the plan all along," then it makes them look incompetent. As I didn't believe they are incompetent, I call BS as well.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
So I've tried PS R2 on my second rendering rig with RTX 2080 today directly through USB-C on the card (without any adapter) and with BT on the mobo.
It works natively and flawlessly with SteamVR. So I can see no lies. Any native VirtualLink port or adapter should work with PSVR2, you don't need to buy Sony's adapter.
It works natively and flawlessly with SteamVR. So I can see no lies. Any native VirtualLink port or adapter should work with PSVR2, you don't need to buy Sony's adapter.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Then that is a lie.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
In fact we've tested it with some VL adapters for other headsets and it still works. Thing is tho, Sony adapter is on the cheaper side. By $100.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
...unless you factor in the pancake lenses that the Quest 3 uses vs the fresnel lens on PSVR, in which case I'd still take Quest 3 any day.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Sweet spot is not that hard to find and to me PSVR2 still wins by a landslide in gradient-heavy games like Alyx. I own both btw, maybe I'll make a short video comparison later this week.
Resenge
Member
Its no lie.
Very few cards have this VirtualLink port though. So you will need the adaptor for the majority of cards. My 2080ti will work without Sony's adaptor.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Yeah, I'm writing exactly that. It works without any hassle.Its no lie.
Very few cards have this VirtualLink port though. So you will need the adaptor for the majority of cards. My 2080ti will work without Sony's adaptor.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It's a lie for those cards.Its no lie.
Very few cards have this VirtualLink port though. So you will need the adaptor for the majority of cards. My 2080ti will work without Sony's adaptor.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Bry0
Member
Yes, I don’t know why people are so confused. If you have virtual link port on your gpu then it works with just that, no adapter needed. The thing is the virtual link standard never really took off much. Nvidia dropped it, AMD mostly did, and most AIB AMD and Nvidia cards dropped it in favor of another hdmi/displayport. When the psvr2 was in development there was probably still a belief virtual link would be common, but it’s not. Hence the adapter which does the same thing almost every other pcvr headset does out of the box like the index. Maybe people don’t realize it but USB C ports may all look the same, but their data/power capability depends on the standard being used, just like how every usba port may look the same but their transfer speeds are not.Its no lie.
Very few cards have this VirtualLink port though. So you will need the adaptor for the majority of cards. My 2080ti will work without Sony's adaptor.
While the quest can use a usbc cable, the quest is just getting a compressed data stream that is decoded on the headset like streaming a video file, the psvr2 is literally a display that needs a direct video feed like a monitor.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I am saying that the need for the adapter is a lie.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
It’s not a lie when the majority might not have this option. People would cry again how bad Sony would be to only support GPU’s with virtual link.
My RTX 2080 Super also has Virtual Link so don’t need this adapter atm. But the moment i change it (next year) then i still need to buy the adapter separately.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm glad they did sell it.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It's a lie if they don't say "adapter required if you don't have a card with Virtual Link port".
Quest 2 and 3 make up 56% of the total VR headsets used with Steam, according to the July 2024 Steam hardware surveys.
R6Rider
Gold Member
The only relevant statistic would be the number of Quest 2/3 users that use it on PC.
Let's say the Steam user count is 132 Million and the VR users equals roughly 2% of that number. That's about 2.6 Million users that use VR on Steam. Now based on the stats that 56% of those users are using a Quest 2 or 3 then that means about 1.5 Million. Combined Quest 2 and 3 sales are roughly 22 Million.
So roughly 6-7% of Quest users use it on PC (at least one time).
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