kazuyamishima
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Also, without the Acquistion of Bungie, would profits could be higher than the 13B number?
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Sony PS5 era profits exceed $13 billion, more than the profits from PS1-PS2-PS3-PS4 put together
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Astro Bots just came out a few months ago a game built around gameplay, actually putting the features of the PS5 to good use The "Gamers" did not rush out to buy it as fast as they picked up these games you're all pretending to hate now.
FoxMcChief
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I did my part and bought Astro Bot and Helldivers 2. I think the only other "exclusive" I have on the PS5 is God of War Ragnarok, but that came with my PS5.
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Dacvak
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Do these numbers adjust for inflation? Either way, I'm pretty surprised. This gen has felt extremely lackluster for Sony. Then again, I don't pay any attention to GaaS games, so maybe that's where they're making their money.
AmuroChan
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You're not wrong, but you also have to consider that a Sly Cooper game would cost substantially less to make than a new Ghost game. You can probably make a Sly Cooper game with a side team of 40 people and a $50m budget. I think it would benefit Sony to complement their big tentpole AAA titles with more smaller games like an Astro Bot. The latter would cost less in money and time, and they'll be able to fill out their release schedule more effectively. That's why I actually like the 2.5D GoW rumor. I know a lot of people here will lose their minds that it isn't a proper AAA GoW title, but I'm one of the few that really liked the smaller, more obscure stuff that Sony used to make in the PS4/PS3 era.
StreetsofBeige
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It's actually not surprising at all.
PS gaming division profits started jumping through the roof around 2017 when console gamers amped up digitally downloading their games and spending a ton on MTX. All those 30% cuts from buying games now go to Sony, not to disc purchases which Walmart, Amazon, Best Buy would get etc.... And mtx going through the roof are extra 30% profits that never existed much before. And Sony gets extra money from all the sub plans with premium tiers which never existed back then when it was one basic tier.
I'm actually surprised with Sony's huge console base their annual profits arent more than about $2B per year. This year it is projected more closer to $3B (similar to 2020 or 2021 covid year). But as a whole, profits havent really budged much in about 7 years despite top line sales probably tripling. So it must be eaten up in dev costs, PSN servers or marketing. Who knows.
Just as an example, lets say a gamer buys 5 games per year. Instead of Amazon getting the retail disc cut, Sony does. That might be about $100 profit to Sony, not Amazon.
If there's 100M active PS4/PS5 systems per year since 2019, that should be $10B of profits shifted to Sony per year. And that doesnt even include all the mtx and premium incremental sub plan revenue either.
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Nydius
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Unfortunately there will never be another because Sony shitcanned Studio Liverpool back in 2012. If there ever is another Wipeout, it will be made by someone else and not be the same.
Many of the old Studio Liverpool people made a similar-to-Wipeout game called Pacer that came out years ago (they even got Cold Storage on the soundtrack like old Wipeout) but it never picked up any steam.
Closest thing to Wipeout these days is Fast RMX and Fast Fusion over on the Switch.
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RetroGamingUK
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I am in 2 minds about this
On one hand, things are expensive which indicates greed
On the other, I'm a keen PlayStation gamer and it's good to see the console business being REALLY healthy
As long as this is invested in PS6 then I'm happy overall
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Dafegamer
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....and with all that goodwill, they now decided to LITERALLY! do the same mistake that killed Xbox Consoles. You can't make this up, it's basically comedy at this point 
Let's see their Profits plunge again, when the Customers decide to buy their "Exclusives" on other platforms
Let's see their Profits plunge again, when the Customers decide to buy their "Exclusives" on other platforms
The shit are you talking about, PS5 digital costs $499 in the US (the cheapest price anywhere in the world), while a Switch 2 coats $449.Overpriced? Switch 2 cost as much or more than a Digital Ps5 and Xbox Series X cost more than a Ps5 pro.
The only current gen console cheaper than a Switch 2 is Series S at $380, and I mean, who wants an Xbox now
A.Romero
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Apparently gaming is priced well or otherwise they wouldn't have those results.
I don't see why any company would charge less than what customers are willing to pay.
Not that I like to pay more for games but can't complain given that this gen I preordered some full price games like God of War, Spider man 2 and Death Stranding 2.
I don't see why any company would charge less than what customers are willing to pay.
Not that I like to pay more for games but can't complain given that this gen I preordered some full price games like God of War, Spider man 2 and Death Stranding 2.
RetroGamingUK
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....and with all that goodwill, they now decided to LITERALLY! do the same mistake that killed Xbox Consoles. You can't make this up, it's basically comedy at this point
Let's see their Profits plunge again, when the Customers decide to buy their "Exclusives" on other platforms
Hmm
Xbox was already dying on its arse when they went multiplat
Microsoft also decided to release PC games on the same day as Xbox
Dafegamer
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It was on the verge, but that decision was the killing blow, that's what I'm saying
Zacfoldor
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Neither are overpriced. Switch 2 and PS5 Pro both offer a whole lot for the bargain. I would never recommend any other console out to anyone looking for a new console in 2025. There is simply not another option that isn't a ripoff. Slim(cheaper) PS5 is an alright console but too close in price to the pro. Pro can get picked up regularly for 699. That is only 200 dollars more expensive than the slim PS5. It offers significant upgrades in most new games. The bullshit self bargaining that the difference isn't even that big is just people trying to justify not buying it. Pro is a big upgrade and easily worth the 200 extra bucks over the PS5. I would also recommend current PS5 owners to upgrade if they can swing it. The quality will be remembered long after the price is forgotten.
On Switch 2, the console is the EXACT price most of us predicted in the poll, and I'm assuming every poll we ever did before it came out. $450.00 was by far the top guessed price. If I'm wrong please show me but in my memory this was what we guessed. And turns out the Switch 2 is actually much more powerful then we all guessed in the other polls. The BC boosts are just icing on top. Haters probably don't know this or accept it, but anyone actually following Switch 2 knows that it exceeded expectations on the technical side. Anyone with a physical Switch 1 library would not be wasting money on Switch 2 just to access that library with better hardware. Without a single other game released, Switch 2 is worth the money if you have > 30 Switch 1 games. It's just a great price for the hardware.
I would never recommend base PS5, XSX, XSS, any random PC handheld, or Switch 1 at this point. Current recommendations would only be PS5 Pro, Switch 2, or gaming PC. It just isn't smart money buying anything else. Base PS5 is like a black friday sale. Buying last years model at full price. The only people who did right that are on PS5 are the people who bought one before the pro came out. After the pro, there was a new flagship but they are still selling the old model at full price.
asdasdasdbb
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Most of Sony's revenue comes from PS+ and their cut of third party GAAS... and the profits likely even more so.
....and with all that goodwill, they now decided to LITERALLY! do the same mistake that killed Xbox Consoles. You can't make this up, it's basically comedy at this point
Let's see their Profits plunge again, when the Customers decide to buy their "Exclusives" on other platforms
Please stop with this dumb take Xbox was in trouble way before they ever put Xbox games on PlayStation.
Im the person who tried to explain that they was in trouble years ago .
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kazuyamishima
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The shit are you talking about, PS5 digital costs $449 in the US, same as the Switch 2.
That move was an attempt to save what they could because the Xbox was already dead. The games would have died with it but now they have a chance at living on on multiple platforms
Oh you are right I was looking at some bundle, but even there, apparently the Astro bundle is only $449 in the US
That is legitimately good pricing, they did price it absurdly high everywhere else in the world to compensate by raising prices multiple times, but at least in the US, I will give them credit for the pricing, yes.
A.Romero
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Does it matter? It wouldn't mean anything if they didn't spend decades building their ecosystem and placing their console in many homes.
I remember reading that the PS5's attachment rate was in the 94% range (meaning 94% of users bought at least one game). I don't see why people would buy their consoles to play Fortnite on PS5 when there are cheaper options for that (if they were truly price sensitive). As long as they keep profits going up they have 0 motivation to stop pricing from increasing. People still buy the games like crazy.
Look at the numbers: https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/
Dafegamer
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Explain why my take is apparently dumb? As I said it was on the verge, MS could still turn things around with announcements, there was always a Chance, but the decision to release Games on competing Platforms nullified all of that, being the killing blow to MS consolesPlease stop with this dumb take Xbox was in trouble way before they ever put Xbox games on PlayStation.
Im the person who tried to explain that they was in trouble years ago .
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Dafegamer
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Nope, Microsoft biggest Problem was the Games, they never released a Killer App this gen, compared to Sony with God of War or Astro Bot. They also delayed and cancelled many of their Games, making the console even less desirable. However there was still a chance to turn things around, the fanbase was waiting for Groundbreaking killer apps. The multiplat announcement tho, nullified any chances they would've had
//DEVIL//
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I will take a Wipe out Remake, Twisted Metal 2 Remake. give me these 2 games and Ill consider the PS5 a better generation than PS3 and 4.
sigh.
It was not the games the biggest games was released on PlayStation & Xbox but they sold on PlayStation.
When big multiplatform games released they boosted PlayStation sales .
Xbox consoles are just not the " It" item anymore . PlayStation has this same problem in Japan they just don't want a big non portable console anymore. PlayStation could release the greatest game ever on PS5 & Japan will barely move until this Portable PS5/PS6 is released & even then it's going to be a uphill battle.
Dafegamer
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I remember the Hope/Hype Xbox fanboys had when MS announced they literally acquired Zenimax.... MS has literally itself to blane for the problems the console had. It even got Sony shook, I remember that..... Then the announcement that their new First Party Games will stay multiplat. Again they had the chance, but didn't use it. There was ABSOLUTELY a chance for them to emerge from the nigh dead.
People like new stuff & Xbox consoles just didn't change much since Xbox 360 there just isn't a game that would make everyone rush out to buy a Xbox Series console over Switch & PS5 . Even Call of Duty would have fallen as a Xbox exclusive just like Halo .
I believe that the Xbox fan boys did the most damage to Xbox brand
pacman4000
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From everything related to Sony's Game division.
pacman4000
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No they earned more from games, services and accessories.
All why trying to avoid to sell the hardware at a loss.
Dafegamer
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Does that mean I have to suffer from less actual reason to turn my PS5 on, just because Sony(again I don't own stock from them, maybe you do, who knows) is making great profits? That man is like Don Mattrick to me, sure he made the company profitable, but destroyed the reasons to own the console regarding first party releases. That's basically the only thing that would be relevant to me, unless I also own Sony stock
nial
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Where? On Xbox?....and with all that goodwill, they now decided to LITERALLY! do the same mistake that killed Xbox Consoles. You can't make this up, it's basically comedy at this point
Let's see their Profits plunge again, when the Customers decide to buy their "Exclusives" on other platforms
nial
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Crediting/blaming Hermen Hulst for everything good/bad at Sony when he's not even the damn CEO is so dumb, god...
Dafegamer
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If the Xbox is more powerful and cheaper, why not? I definitely wouldn't choose a Sony device if I can have same experiences on cheaper and better hardware. Smart decisionWhere? On Xbox?
nial
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The fact that you think that is remotely possible is even funnier. It will be more powerful? Maybe, but not cheaper when Microsoft HAS to make good profit with it, as long as third-party storefronts are allowed. No less than $1000.If the Xbox is more powerful and cheaper, why not? I definitely wouldn't choose a Sony device if I can have same experiences on cheaper and better hardware. Smart decision
Dafegamer
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Why? He is head of PlayStation Studios, which actually makes it worse, it would mean he is the main man regarding the actual FP releases/Management. Kinda like Spencer's Job. Don't worry tho, I gave enough of my opinion regarding Jim Ryan too at the time
ChorizoPicozo
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he got demoted tho. And this is the court of public opinion, and he is one of the head honchos at PS anyway
. In other words: Its only natural to blast hermen as he is the most prominent public-facing top executive of the company.
nial
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? Phil Spencer oversees waaaaaaay more than that, Hermen Hulst's job isn't remotely close to being the same. And PlayStation Studios does not work in isolation from the rest of SIE, the decision to release their best-performing first-party release of all time on a competing platform obviously included the decision of a lot of people at general management, including you know, the current CEO, Hideaki Nishino.Why? He is head of PlayStation Studios, which actually makes it worse, it would mean he is the main man regarding the actual FP releases/Management. Kinda like Spencer's Job. Don't worry tho, I gave enough of my opinion regarding Jim Ryan too at the time
SHAKEZ
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You don't get it, they needed those GaaS and price hikes to make even more money, think of the shareholders PLEASE!
Dafegamer
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Nial, no offense to you buddy. I like you as a poster, especially in the Astro Bot OT, but it's clear that you're in copium mode again, which I'm not prone to. Remember the conversation we had regarding Sony releasing on more platforms when they had Lego Horizon? I remember that we had a similar conversation already and you basically told me that it would be impossible if sony goes that far and that I'm basically overreacting with the negativity at the time. Look how that turned and here we are again, I guess my reaction was reasonable in hindsight.
I seriously doubt that MS will release such a more expensive device than Sony again, as they did at the beginning. They'd further sway potential customers from buying their Product again. They'll probably compensate for the cheaper price to keep profits healthy during release
nial
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Lol, it does not work like that, he was CEO of the Studio Business Group in June 2024 and still is in July 2025, he did not have any other role besides that. Which implies that not only does he keep the same payment as in June 2024, but he actually gets paid more nowadays compared to in May 2024, one year and two months ago. Does that sound like a demotion to you? And if you actually understood what my post was all about, you'd get where I was coming from.he got demoted tho. And this is the court of public opinion, and he is one of the head honchos at PS anyway
I did? If so, I have been proven wrong, not problem in admitting that. I have a rather reasonable opinion on the topic of the Helldivers 2 and I can see where both sides are coming from, I even posted my concerns regarding the long-term implications of SIE overfocusing on stable margins on another place, which some argue is what has to do with all of this.
But I will not deny all the goofy hyperbole surrounding the matter, especially reading some insane takes like the PlayStation userbase reducing to 60% going to PS6, which seems to be completely unaware of what truly drives people towards PlayStation.
You need to come to terms that Microsoft isn't competing with Sony anymore, especially as they're quite literally the ones bringing their whole pipeline to the competing platform, compared to Sony doing so for very few games. Their business is transitioning to putting big profits front and center, removing all the burden and bloat, while also releasing a PC machine with access to third-party storefronts, those which will give MS zero percent of the revenue. They need to make money somehow, whatever thing they're aiming for isn't something for the mass-market and it's something that became extremely clear upon the initial announcement.
BTW, it will be good to read what this user said on the matter, and keep in mind that he was already talking about Xbox going third-party before anyone else remotely entertained the idea:
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This was another one of them conjured up tactics that they thought would work to bring PlayStation down. They was like hey it worked when we blamed everything on Don Mattrick let's do it to whoever is in charge at PlayStation.
Dafegamer
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Honestly, at this point I'm like "Whatever man" I guess I'll be in wait and see mode. There was a rumour that the new 2D Metroidvania GOW will probably also release on more platforms. Let me say this, if Sony decides to just devalue themselves like this or Tarnish their Brand etc, they most likely won't be the easy choice for me anymore, regarding Premium ConsolesLol, it does not work like that, he was CEO of the Studio Business Group in June 2024 and still is in July 2025, he did not have any other role besides that. Which implies that not only does he keep the same payment as in June 2024, but he actually gets paid more nowadays compared to in May 2024, one year and two months ago. Does that sound like a demotion to you? And if you actually understood what my post was all about, you'd get where I was coming from.
I did? If so, I have been proven wrong, not problem in admitting that. I have a rather reasonable opinion on the topic of the Helldivers 2 and I can see where both sides are coming from, I even posted my concerns regarding the long-term implications of SIE overfocusing on stable margins on another place, which some argue is what has to do with all of this.
But I will not deny all the goofy hyperbole surrounding the matter, especially reading some insane takes like the PlayStation userbase reducing to 60% going to PS6, which seems to be completely unaware of what truly drives people towards PlayStation.
You need to come to terms that Microsoft isn't competing with Sony anymore, especially as they're quite literally the ones bringing their whole pipeline to the competing platform, compared to Sony doing so for very few games. Their business is transitioning to putting big profits front and center, removing all the burden and bloat, while also releasing a PC machine with access to third-party storefronts, those which will give MS zero percent of the revenue. They need to make money somehow, whatever thing they're aiming for isn't something for the mass-market and it's something that became extremely clear upon the initial announcement.
BTW, it will be good to read what this user said on the matter, and keep in mind that he was already talking about Xbox going third-party before anyone else remotely entertained the idea:
And who will be your choice for premium consoles?
Dafegamer
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As I said, wait and see mode
Wait & see what? Anyone that's selling a premium consoles will also be selling there games on other platforms.
Dafegamer
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Next Gen consoles obviously haven't been revealed yet, kinda hard for me to make a decision. When Sony was still sane, they were usually my No. 1 choice regarding which Premium Consoles to get.
If you was buying their consoles just for their games but now their games are on other platforms & you buy their game on a different platform. You're happy you get to play their game without spending extra money to buy their console & they're happy you bought their game so what's all the hoopla about?
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