bitbydeath
Member
Ignoring what?
Daniel doesn't work for Sony, nor is he an insider or at anyway connected to insiders. He's a data analyst.
Sony removed 'Game Revenue Beyond Console' as a Strategically Emphasized Indicator for their Gaming Division in their new Corporate Report
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Ignoring what?
Daniel doesn't work for Sony, nor is he an insider or at anyway connected to insiders. He's a data analyst.
NickFire
Member
I really don't care if they want to release on PC or not. But it is still weird to see someone copying the company they trounced in hardware sales like this. And I'm struggling to understand where they think the 30% cut they take from 3rd party sales on PSN will be made up from after they transition off of hardware. They must have tremendous confidence in those games they cancel or delay.
Hector Hall
Member
Fairgames and Marathon coming up!
And I agree, they hid the numbers because they didn't look good and management didn't want them on their performance reports.
They didn't hid anything, it was plain visible in the last quarter data.
10 billion income, 1 billion profit, a measly 150m of Other Software.
Yesterday was a oversight of what's important and not, but here wasn't any new data.
Hector Hall
Member
Lat sentences are not contradictry. You can destroy a brand removing it's exclusive content, ye that content doesn't sell specially well in the other platforms either because piratery for example.
Topher
Identifies as young
My man's hopeless, he entered a fucking digital foundry thread to console war Xbox sales
Did you see this? Things must be a lot better in Xbox land. You've gained back one of your most notorious defectors.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Topher
Identifies as young
This motherfucker is SEVENTY !!
If he ever quits being a warrior, he'll just keel over and die
Hector Hall
Member
In reality, they just moved it to a new location on their PDF.
Multi device refers to multiple PS platforms, that's why they emphasized the multigeneration word.
Next Gen will have handheld, home low end (PS5 /Pro), and high end (PS6 and PS6 Pro).
Not to release in Xbox PC man
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
But apparently Sony works for NVIDIA and have insider info about their unreleased products.
Makes sense.
Topher
Identifies as young
Multi device refers to multiple PS platforms, that's why they emphasized the multigeneration word.
Next Gen will have handheld, home low end (PS5 /Pro), and high end (PS6 and PS6 Pro).
Not to release in Xbox PC man
Current PS is on PS, PC and Xbox as well as streaming. I don't see why "multi-device" would exclude any of those.
Goalus
Member
Good to know.
I think I remember someone on X referring to him as a console warrior (after he had posted some data with commentary).
bitbydeath
Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's obvious that they aren't pitching their hopes on expanding "beyond the console" in the same way they were planning a year ago. I swear, Jim Ryan being "fired" has shifted PlayStation's approach to the two main things they started during his reign.
- Making massive amounts of Live Service Games
- Wanting and emphasising games "beyond the console" more and more.
DevonExplorer
Neo Member
Interesting
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Dude doesn't work for Sony and he's not an insider/industry guy. He just analyzes sales data and doesn't have any insider knowledge.
His insight on Sony's strategy going forward is irrelevant. He's as clueless as the rest of us in that regard.
Sometimes suspicions can be right. We all suspected he was behind their GAAS/multiplatform push for a reason. I found it way too convenient he left just before Concord released and massively flopped and his departure happened to coincide with Sony emphasizing their return to single player games and a focus on hardware.
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splattered
Member
My god i don't know how people have the mental energy to keep arguing about it. Its dead people. The age of 100% exclusives is over. We are all old and of a dying age, get over it.
Topher
Identifies as young
Embearded
Member
As hilarious as it might sound, they make a few times more money from the AI business. And i think there i reas somewhere their CEO said they are not a graphics company anymore but an AI one.
Having said that, what Det said is a bit of a hyperbole.
Zathalus
Member
Oh I'm not disputing Nvidia makes much more from AI, just pointing out the hypocrisy about his console gamer claims.
Tobimacoss
Member
They think Sony can afford to ignore the PC, Cloud, Mobile, and other console userbase.
Google just lost their final appeal to the circuit court. If Supreme Court declines case, it's over for them.
The Supreme Court is Google’s last hope to avoid an Epic reckoning in October
Google Play Billing’s days are numbered.
www.theverge.com
That means Xbox Mobile Store will go operational soon, likely by mid November. They actually had everything ready to go by November 1st of last year.
Finally completing the full Xbox ecosystem across PC, Consoles, Cloud, Mobile (Android), and Handhelds. The longer Sony waits to expand, the further they fall behind.
Consoles are not the end game, just the foundation of an ecosystem.
Xbox 360 slim
Member
rage bait
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I know, reason why MS duped regulators when they started buying all the major third party publishers. Still, from being able to have a store to being successful with it there is a large gap you are assuming to be quite small… and it is not. See Windows and Steam…They think Sony can afford to ignore the PC, Cloud, Mobile, and other console userbase.
Google just lost their final appeal to the circuit court. If Supreme Court declines case, it's over for them.
The Supreme Court is Google’s last hope to avoid an Epic reckoning in October
Google Play Billing’s days are numbered.
That means Xbox Mobile Store will go operational soon, likely by mid November. They actually had everything ready to go by November 1st of last year.
Finally completing the full Xbox ecosystem across PC, Consoles, Cloud, Mobile (Android), and Handhelds. The longer Sony waits to expand, the further they fall behind.
Consoles are not the end game, just the foundation of an ecosystem.
Tobimacoss
Member
In what way did MS dupe the regulators?
PC Gamepass is growing at a decent pace, it is the thing keeping the MS Store on PC alive alongside the Play Anywhere initiative. Thing is Cloud only gamers aren't so bound to Steam, they are willing to buy from anywhere, and PC Gamepass alongside a Nvidia GFN or Boosteroid is becoming quite popular. Especially in the /r/GeForcenow subreddit.
But my point is, there are 32 million Series console users and 22-25 million active Xbox One users.
They all don't have a Gaming capable PC, thus Xbox On PC can't gain traction without relying on PC Gamepass.
However, every single Console user has a decent phone, let's assume 50% are android users (going by U.S. stats). So more console users would have a gaming capable phone than a gaming capable PC.
A Gamepass Mobile tier for $5 month should be much more successful than Apple Arcade or Google Play Pass. Included in Ultimate too with a price increase to $22 month.
MS could get all the ID@Xbox devs that launch on Gamepass Day 1 or otherwise to create Play Anywhere versions that include Android natively.
Here's the kicker, GDK isn't just for creating games on Windows and Xbox OS, the GDK also supports the creation of Android and iOS games with Xbox backend. When MS bought out PlayFab, that was the first thing they prioritized.
So all the pieces of the puzzle are already in place. They can have mobile native games with Play Anywhere, Gamepass licensing for most indies and AA games while xCloud is used to fill in the gaps for AAA games.
And MS is going to make the store cut same as on windows, 12%, in undercutting Playstore.
Astray
Member
People act like Singleplayer games don't flop all the time. Sometimes even good ones.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I am sure the "will outspend competitors out of business" (followed up by putting pressure on the government to put pressure on the regulator) was something they offered up without pressure, massive layoffs post completion (in waves), stoping existing multiplatform development to their main competitor as soon as they completed, promises about GamePass prices after completion, etc… but no sure, they are both the David and the Goliath in your story
, depending on the argument you need to make.MS has enough money to finance the store, GamePass growing at a decent pace is stretching the truth at best.
They are quite tightly bound to stores like steam, despite subreddits dedicated to a thing say about that thing.
Given the trend in their HW and software sales and stagnating GP growth you are being a bit generous here, but that is beside the point.
Could but hardly will be able to. Indies is also not the problem or the big mover.
Fab… but again not the bigger problem and the Play Anywhere bit negates some of this advantage for third party devs that cannot sell their SKU again.
There is a lot of "could", optimistic hypotheticals, and hype (not sure you mean it but it feel like marketing agency material meant for social media).
You are going once again on a massive "Why is MS so poised for success and playing 4D chess" in a Sony news related thread about Sony's strategy… I tagged and unprompted… says quite a bit.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I would love Sony to go back to the single player exclusive on their own platforms to be honest. I just cant see how they make it work. Sales on Playstation are going backwards and not growing and budgets are ballooning. Im not sure what the answer is, apart from cutting back on budgets to make it work.
Negotiator101
Member
It's the Phil Spencer effect.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You said it LOL! Does every game need to be 20+ hours long? What happened to the dope 12-15 hour games from 10 years ago?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Completely agree! - Give us those incredible 12 hour games. I'd take more of those all day over what we have now.
Tobimacoss
Member
They never mentioned anything regarding Bethesda exclusivity to regulators. The deals were for ABK games, primarily Call of Duty. Regardless, nothing is exclusive anymore so it doesn't matter.I am sure the "will outspend competitors out of business" (followed up by putting pressure on the government to put pressure on the regulator) was something they offered up without pressure, massive layoffs post completion (in waves), stoping existing multiplatform development to their main competitor as soon as they completed, promises about GamePass prices after completion, etc… but no sure, they are both the David and the Goliath in your story
MS has enough money to finance the store, GamePass growing at a decent pace is stretching the truth at best.
They are quite tightly bound to stores like steam, despite subreddits dedicated to a thing say about that thing.
Given the trend in their HW and software sales and stagnating GP growth you are being a bit generous here, but that is beside the point.
Could but hardly will be able to. Indies is also not the problem or the big mover.
Fab… but again not the bigger problem and the Play Anywhere bit negates some of this advantage for third party devs that cannot sell their SKU again.
There is a lot of "could", optimistic hypotheticals, and hype (not sure you mean it but it feel like marketing agency material meant for social media).
You are going once again on a massive "Why is MS so poised for success and playing 4D chess" in a Sony news related thread about Sony's strategy… I tagged and unprompted… says quite a bit.
I was referring specifically to PC Gamepass growth. Nadella said it grew 30% year over year, it's expected to be around 5-7 million users.
PC gamers are mostly bound to Steam, but not CLOUD Only gamers. (90% cloud here). Amazon Luna doesn't even support Steam, only Ubisoft, EA, and GOG stores. And they got exclusive streaming rights to EA FC 26 and Madden 26. My point was PC Gamepass is being leveraged nicely to increase growth in "Xbox On PC". Sony could do the same.
Apple Arcade launched with 100 exclusive indies they funded. Roughly $5-10 million each for $1 billion. You say indies aren't big movers for a mobile store.
Let me give an example, if MS pays an indie dev $5 million for game launch on Gamepass Day one, then they say to them, we'll up it to $7 million if you include Android copy. Do you think the indie dev would say no? Especially when MS has already streamlined the workflow regarding windows GDK, Android GDK, Visual Studio android extension with Xbox Live SDK for mobile. And the fact that most android games are made with Unity and written in C#, a MS created language.
If they had the store active prior, they probably would've included SilkSong in the Xbox Mobile store, native android copy with touch controls and sharing Play Anywhere licensing.
Third party indie devs weren't going to sell on Google Playstore anyways, but they stand a greater chance being part of the Xbox ecosystem.
You are missing the entire overall point I was trying to make, which is:
Sony strategy should be to create a PC Storefront, extend PS+ streaming to all devices, and start making preparations for their own mobile store. Because their competitor is doing all of the above.
You may say, they don't need to do any of that, they're profitable enough, to which I say, Fine, we shall see how things play out for them long term.
However, PC, Mobile, Cloud gamers can not be ignored. And should not be ignored by Sony.
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Cakeboxer
Member
Even though fewer and fewer games are being sold physically, I think these long games, similar to Ubisoft's considerations, are also meant to act as a kind of used-games lock. A game that passes through five different hands during its full-price launch window really hurts.
Sony Group CFO
Lin Tao: "When I was the head of finance at SIE, as a member of the management team, I promoted the transformation of the Studio business which develops first-party game software titles.
This involved the challenge of TRANSFORMING an organization that had historically specialized in SHOWCASING OUR CONSOLES INTO one with an INDEPENDENT PROFIT STRUCTURE, reshaping its culture to make the Studio business a growth driver for SIE"
Lin Tao: "When I was the head of finance at SIE, as a member of the management team, I promoted the transformation of the Studio business which develops first-party game software titles.
This involved the challenge of TRANSFORMING an organization that had historically specialized in SHOWCASING OUR CONSOLES INTO one with an INDEPENDENT PROFIT STRUCTURE, reshaping its culture to make the Studio business a growth driver for SIE"
KungFucius
King Snowflake
My take on this is fewer 1st party games and more reliance on licensing/digital sales and console sales to bring in more licensing/digital sales. If they release 1 game per year why would the eventual PC port of that be significant to growth? It's a nice revenue grab, but nothing more. The other piece of this is that their live service games are being toned down due to failure. Those were expected to be big on PS and PC but they are facing the reality that it will not happen. Non console players are included in their total players metric.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Sounds like you have more a of a problem with gaming as a whole than with just Sony.
Sony Group CFO
Lin Tao: "When I was the head of finance at SIE, as a member of the management team, I promoted the transformation of the Studio business which develops first-party game software titles.
This involved the challenge of TRANSFORMING an organization that had historically specialized in SHOWCASING OUR CONSOLES INTO one with an INDEPENDENT PROFIT STRUCTURE, reshaping its culture to make the Studio business a growth driver for SIE"
When is that from?
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Tobimacoss
Member
Independent profit structure, meaning each game has to be profitable on its own. And best way to be profitable or increase those profits is multi-platform.Sony Group CFO
Lin Tao: "When I was the head of finance at SIE, as a member of the management team, I promoted the transformation of the Studio business which develops first-party game software titles.
This involved the challenge of TRANSFORMING an organization that had historically specialized in SHOWCASING OUR CONSOLES INTO one with an INDEPENDENT PROFIT STRUCTURE, reshaping its culture to make the Studio business a growth driver for SIE"
bitbydeath
Member
It states "consoles into one with an independent profit structure"
Not individual games.
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Hector Hall
Member
Sony Group CFO
Lin Tao: "When I was the head of finance at SIE, as a member of the management team, I promoted the transformation of the Studio business which develops first-party game software titles.
This involved the challenge of TRANSFORMING an organization that had historically specialized in SHOWCASING OUR CONSOLES INTO one with an INDEPENDENT PROFIT STRUCTURE, reshaping its culture to make the Studio business a growth driver for SIE"
Well, someone will have to transform it back or it will harm PlayStation.
First good step was to put that viper Germen Hulst under Nishino orders.
Kvally
Member
Sony refers to multiplatform as multiple devices.Multi device refers to multiple PS platforms, that's why they emphasized the multigeneration word.
Next Gen will have handheld, home low end (PS5 /Pro), and high end (PS6 and PS6 Pro).
Not to release in Xbox PC man
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Truthtellers
Member
Unlucky bots. 
Hector Hall
Member
They told also multigeneration in the same speech.
It's referring to PS4/PS5 now, PS5/6 in the future, and the "new ways to play" Nishino said that will basically be handheld and streaming (already exists but will probably be pushed)
The same Sony documents some love to bring to light to play words say that for Sony Xbox is a decaying environment that in the near future will be indistinguishable from PC. It's up to Sony to decide if they are going to keep sending games to that coalition of SteamOS /XboxWindows devices that will be their opponent, but as for current Xbox as it's own platform it's dead and won't spend money porting anything to that.
MisterXDTV
Member
Tobimacoss
Member
"I promoted the transformation of the Studio business which develops first-party game software titles."
She is talking about the entire Studio Business which creates the games.
They want to transform the studios from an organization that built games to showcase their consoles into an organization that builds games for profit, independent of PS hardware.
Basically, no studio gets to piggyback on the overall success of other studios and console hardware. Every studio needs to be profitable on its own or there will be consequences.
Kvally
Member
A PC thread discussing how "consoles have no advantage whatsoever"
You tried to refute me, but you only proved me right.
He tried to refute me, proving me right.
If you're interested, I'll summarize the discussion myself:
It turned into a semantic argument because the PC fanboy didn't like the Naught Dog developer's statement.
And what's more, do you know why the console discussion even appeared in this thread?
Because Alex Bugaga, a PC fanboy from DF, was throwing a fit because the port wasn't much better than the PlayStation
Complaining that they didn't put RTs, for example.
He wanted the best versions of PlayStation games to be on PC, LOL.
Just like that lunatic Alex Bugaga complained that Nixxes was remastering HZD and not porting PlayStation games to PC. "They're wasting time on PS5/PC remasters when they could ONLY be doing PC ports."
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Zathalus
Member
Don't try and backtrack now. You claimed you don't see console gamers jumping into PC threads claiming that PC GPUs will disappear, yet there you were, in a PC thread, claiming that AI will lead to Nvidia only giving scraps to PC gamers.
A PC thread discussing how "consoles have no advantage whatsoever"
You tried to refute me, but you only proved me right.
He tried to refute me, proving me right.
If you're interested, I'll summarize the discussion myself:
It turned into a semantic argument because the PC fanboy didn't like the Naught Dog developer's statement.
The very thing that you claimed doesn't happen is something you did yourself. If you want I can pull more posts of yours clearly shitting on PC all the time.
It's all so damn transparent and obvious, look into a mirror and have some damn self reflection.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
His kind doesn't last. Mods have little patience for system warrior trolls these days. He'll crash and burn soon enough.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Sony Group CFO
Lin Tao: "When I was the head of finance at SIE, as a member of the management team, I promoted the transformation of the Studio business which develops first-party game software titles.
This involved the challenge of TRANSFORMING an organization that had historically specialized in SHOWCASING OUR CONSOLES INTO one with an INDEPENDENT PROFIT STRUCTURE, reshaping its culture to make the Studio business a growth driver for SIE"
This doesn't mean, what you think it means.
Exactly, the whole discussion started in the PC thread because "PC fans" couldn't admit that consoles have an advantage, like needing more powerful PC hardware to deliver console-equivalent graphics. Instead of admitting that the PC needs more powerful hardware to deliver the same results as the console, they started repeating that it was a "badly done port"
That's when I started mocking the "end of the PC."
Especially for the sicko who keeps discussing % of "programming for metal."
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