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Sony seems to be creating needless confusion and annoyance with PS4 games on both PS Extra and PS Premium
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8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
Mafia Definitive Edition is also a remake made for PS4 - only available to premium tier.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
The solution is always to pay Sony more money.Glad I locked in Premium so I don't have to put any thought into all this madness you're talking about.
Oddvintagechap
Banned
Yeah Idc what the op is crying about. This is the REAL issue. Sony needs to be canceled for this. I cant sleep at night because of it.
Should be tagged
PSOne-C for emulated,
PSOne-R for remastered.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Figuratively yes, literally no. I bought PS+ for cheap on cdkeys then bought a 1 year ps now card for over 4 years stacked.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Mafia Definitive Edition is also a remake made for PS4 - only available to premium tier.
Yeah that's weird.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
T-Cake
Member
My sentiments exactly. I said before all this was announced that Sony were on probation. I'm incredibly annoyed that they are locking the remastered games behind the top Premium tier. Luckily, I was a PS Now subber so I get access to that. I have four months to play as much as I can. When my PS Now sub runs out in October, it's not getting renewed. I shall just flog the PS5 and treat myself to a sparkly new PC.
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Fbh
Member
Ok so I checked now and it seems like it was just some weird mix up.
Games like Dead Cells, Fallout 4 and Greedfall are now correctly displaying on the Extra tier.
There's still a few inconsistencies though, like Mafia Definitive Edition being tied to premium despite being a Ps4 remake, but then FF7 (Og not remake) is on extra.
Games like Dead Cells, Fallout 4 and Greedfall are now correctly displaying on the Extra tier.
There's still a few inconsistencies though, like Mafia Definitive Edition being tied to premium despite being a Ps4 remake, but then FF7 (Og not remake) is on extra.
yurinka
Member
It isn't that complicated:
PS Plus = same as always
PS Plus Extra = adds on top hundreds of games, mostly released originally for PS4 and PS5
PS Plus Premium = adds on top hundreds of games more, mostly titles that are remaked, remastered or emulated PS1/PS2/PS3/PSP/Vita/arcade classics in addition to cloud gaming and demos (this is the general rule but there are a few exceptions, Demon's Souls and SotC remakes are in Extra)
Every month they'll add and remove games, as happened before in PS Now or GP.
Regarding the competition, this new PS+ has around 2X the subscribers than GP and this new PS+ will grow its userbase and ARPU so shouldn't be worried about it at all. Sony started with the game subs in 2010, has been the leader of games subs since then and will continue being it at least for a while.
There many of the PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP and Vita games included under their classics collecton of PS+ Premium are remade or remastered for PS4 or PS5. So they look and perform great, way better than simply emulated versions. And unlike the native PS3 games they can be downloaded and played on PS4 and PS5.
We still don't know what are they going to do with the emulated games for the EU release. They did release a patch trying to address the PAL 50Hz issue. It was a poor attempt but at least means they have someone working there in this kind of stuff, so maybe they release another patch that properly puts them at 60Hz before or after launch. Or who knows, maybe they keep the NTSC US versions for the games that have it as they did in their USA release. We'll have to wait and see, but possible solutions are there.
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8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
50hz tho' here in EU. Vita games? I'm not interested in their classics catalog, cause my PC runs all of them better than PS5. I know PS5 have the capability to run them better than what some no-paid, no-access to original SDK's devs can do, but Sony have put little to no effort in boosting their classics catalog.
Every game with a PS4 label, should be in the extra tier - like advertised. No confusion.
jimmypython
Member
I might have missed something - someone tell me if I am wrong
But the game categories are not matching: the "Action" section has Guardians of Galaxy as its thumbnail, but the game isn't included? The "Featured" section has FFX/X-2 but the game isn't in RPG section?
But the game categories are not matching: the "Action" section has Guardians of Galaxy as its thumbnail, but the game isn't included? The "Featured" section has FFX/X-2 but the game isn't in RPG section?
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TheGodfather07
Member
having 3 tiers is where they went wrong. there should be just basic and premium. whats the point of having a tier just for classic old ass games? premium isnt worth it at all. the only way is would have been worth it, was if it had tons of classic games. im talking all the popular ps1 and ps2 games.
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bender
What time is it?
Mafia Definitive Edition is also a remake made for PS4 - only available to premium tier.
Browsing the catalog, I only see Mafia 3. The only reason I knew Mafia DE was included was because of a post in this thread or the other.
LegendOfKage
Member
I was all set to edit the OP with the corrected information, but I checked PSN and none of that seems to be the case in the US. Did you look at the PS store itself, or were you just looking at the list on their website?
Anyhow, those three games are all still in the premium tier, although Fallout 4 is still part of the PS Plus collection, so it's still free for all PS5 owners in any tier subscription. PS4 owners still need premium. Premium for a game that was originally released on the PS4, and is not a remake. Here are several other examples that I found:
Far cry 3 on ps4? Extra.
Far cry blood dragon on PS4? Extra.
Friday the 13th is now in Extra.
Like you said FF7 original is in extra. So is FF 8 remaster, and FF 9 original.
Injustice 1 is premium, no matter if it's the PS3 or PS4 version. Injustice 2 is extra.
Terraria is premium! A game that released years ago, but is still getting major updates as recently as last year.
Golf with friends? Premium. WTF!? A game that released in 2020. How is that even remotely close to a "classic" game or a remaster?
So again, no rhyme or reason for any of this.
"Most PS4 titles are part of the extra tier, except for remakes and remasters which are included in the premium tier, except for Far Cry and Final Fantasy for some reason, and probably some other examples, and the PS4 or PS5 version of Greed Fall, and Fallout 4, and a bunch of other random games for seemingly no reason whatsoever."
Yes, that is needlessly complicated.
[edit] I corrected my post. While you don't directly state PS4 games are in the premium tier, I would agree you imply it by saying "remaked, remastered or emulated PS1/PS2/PS3/PSP/Vita/arcade classics" But that doesn't change the fact that even this "rule" is ignored by several examples listed above.
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Justin9mm
Member
OP implying that the choice is messy and unclear.
As OP stated, the Premium tier was marketed as PS1, 2 and 3 titles and demos but this is not the case. The whole tier system is terrible and just proves that MS have it right with Gamepass. It doesn't lock people out with bullshit rules that seem to change depending on how Sony feels.
anothertech
Member
Premium shit should just be included for $99
Betting it happens before too long.
Betting it happens before too long.
yurinka
Member
Ubisoft games are an exception because all Ubisoft games are included inside Ubisoft+, which comes with PS+ Extra, not Premium.
Most PS1/PS2/PS3/PSP/Vita games remastered or remade for PS4 or PS5 are included in Premium with some exceptions like the ones I mentioned of Demon's Souls or Shadow of the Colossus, or the FF ones you mentioned, which are in Extra.
PS4 games that weren't released in PS1/PS2/PS3/PSP/Vita like Fallout 4 or Greed Fall are in Extra. All PS4 titles that are in Premium and not in Extra are PS1/PS2/PS3/PSP/Vita games remastered, remade or emulated. Here you have the list:
P.S.: I don't know, maybe they had some mistake in the store wrongfully mentioning its PS+ version on the game's page for the store, but this is what the official list says: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/ps-plus/games/
I don't know what are you talking about. What they included in Premium is exactly the case of what they marketed:
- Provides all the benefits from Essential and Extra tiers
- Adds up to 340* additional games, including:
- PS3 games available via cloud streaming
- A catalog of beloved classic games available in both streaming and download options from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations
- Offers cloud streaming access for original PlayStation, PS2, PSP and PS4 games offered in the Extra and Premium tiers in markets** where PlayStation Now is currently available. Customers can stream games using PS4 and PS5 consoles, and PC.***
- Time-limited game trials will also be offered in this tier, so customers can try select games before they buy.
*Local pricing may vary by market. PlayStation Plus catalog titles may also vary by market and tier, and may change over time. PlayStation Plus is an ongoing subscription subject to a recurring subscription fee taken automatically until cancellation. Age restrictions apply.
**Current markets where PlayStation Now is available: US, Canada, Japan, UK, France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Austria, Switzerland, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Norway, Denmark, Finland, and Sweden.
***PC streaming is not available in Japan at launch and will be supported in a future update.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Even worse than the different games per tier is that they locked legacy games and PC streaming to the Premium tier.
If someone just wants to dabble with old games or streaming PC only, they have to buy the Premium tier instead of the old PS Now for half the price.
This is the stuff cable companies do when they realize some channels get popular or have a niche following and suddenly that channel isn't available on the cheaper plans anymore. If you want it you have to sub to a mid or high tier package. Forced upselling.
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I mean, the thing has been ported around more than original pacman, it certainly isn't a 'new' game.
Ps1/psp titles are labelled as ps4/5 downloads, so what exactly is the difference here?
Anyway these categories are a bit like ship of Theseus problem.
Ac5, Locoroco etc. also run emulated but they replace some textures and skip boot logo. Monkey Island runs exact original content and code to switch to at anytime from remastered. SOTC runs og. core game logic code etc.
Technically most ppl will say somewhere in there line is drawn when it stops being the 'classic' game, but it's arbitrary.
Agent X
Member
The problem is that the line isn't distinct.
Sony has tried to define what a "classic" game is, which also encompasses remastered versions of some pre-PS4 games (including PS3 games like God of War III and The Last of Us). However, they also have some strange exceptions on both sides of the line, as some users above have pointed out. It's this lack of consistency that is causing confusion and concern.