SlashBringingHasher
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PRIIIIIIIIIIICE HIIIIIKEEEE , ITS PRICE HIKE
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Sony warns trade war could lead to PlayStation price hikes
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Javthusiast
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Whatever, not gonna buy it till it's cheaper then.
TheGreatYosh
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Maybe they should just make their shit in Japan, or better yet since they want to allow the US division to run the show. Start making consoles in the US.
Kdad
Member
The problem isn't necessarily China's "communisim", its the West's "capitalism" that is at issue here.
JordanN
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Capitalism can exist without turning a state into a genocidal dictatorship. That's what Japan, Taiwan or South Korea represent.
Communism always leads to one party rule and citizens being turned into slaves.
If the West pulled all support from China, the Communists wouldn't suddenly have a change of heart.
Kenpachii
Member
This, release it a year later for all i care.
I don't wanna deal with console hardware which holds me back from there games big time.
Kdad
Member
If the west pulled all 'support' from China, the west would stop being capitalist.
Kdad
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JordanN
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No, the West would still have a capitalist system without China.
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Hissing Sid
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Don’t know what you’re all so worried about. The PS5 will cost less than 300 spondoolies....
....Obviously you may have to wait 3-4 years after the launch to get it at that price but by then the games will be cheaper, complete, less buggy and more plentiful.
No need to rush. Patience is a money saver.
....Obviously you may have to wait 3-4 years after the launch to get it at that price but by then the games will be cheaper, complete, less buggy and more plentiful.
No need to rush. Patience is a money saver.
Darius87
Member
that's not good...
cheaper means more sales, more sales means more/better games of course price shouldn't be to low that would compromize next-gen tech.
There's also the fact that China is the biggest supplier of rare earth minerals. It's like oil in the middle east, You know shouldn't but you don't have a choice.
LostDonkey
Member
Ill probably do what I did with the PS4.
Buy one for myself and then wait until phone companies start offering crazy deals with free consoles, then sell that one to recoup some of the cost.
Buy one for myself and then wait until phone companies start offering crazy deals with free consoles, then sell that one to recoup some of the cost.
Handy Fake
Member
As I mentioned earlier, it may well go this way since their trade deal with the EU.As a certain Playstation creator once said : If you really want it you can get a second job as well
But since Sony is a Japanese company. Why don't they just manufacture in Japan.
But presumably they can't just up sticks overnight.
Alebrije
Member
Yep.
Rich people buy diamonds no matter if they are blood diamonds , much less care about human rights if they can get a cheap XBONE, PS44 or a mobil phone.
Virex
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Can't wait for the PS44. Going to be powerful beyond imagination
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why should we care that China is Communist? They make products for low prices. It's all we (corporations and customers) care about. The 1980s wants it fake Red Scare back.
JordanN
Banned
China was a pariah state up until the end of the Cold War. It's actually terrifying how almost every nation shakes hands with them when this was the same country that threatened nuclear war with Russia and India.
We definitely had a choice up until the 1990s, but greed took over vs actually doing the right thing.
Because Communism fucking sucks and it's part of Communist doctrine to make the entire world be just like them.
You may hate the Red Scare but guess what? They were right.
Millions of lives were destroyed every time a government adopted Communism, and now the world is happy is to give China all their money because they value cheap plastic toys over freedom and prosperity.
Oh look at that. 65 MILLION KILLED IN CHINA ALONE.
And the Communist plan for the fate of the earth.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
China was a pariah state up until the end of the Cold War. It's actually terrifying how almost every nation shakes hands with them when this was the same country that threatened nuclear war with Russia and India.
We definitely had a choice up until the 1990s, but greed took over vs actually doing the right thing.
Because Communism fucking sucks and it's part of Communist doctrine to make the entire world be just like them.
You may hate the Red Scare but guess what? They were right.
Millions of lives were destroyed every time a government adopted Communism, and now the world is happy is to give China all their money because they value cheap plastic toys over freedom and prosperity.
Oh look at that. 65 MILLION KILLED IN CHINA ALONE.
And the Communist plan for the fate of the earth.
And so am I supposed to give up my fine living because China is communist? You say they want world domination, but I haven't seen that yet. Let me know when they try to make me a communist, then I'll care.
JordanN
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Gradually.
I don't believe the process will happen overnight, but supporting things like Trump's tarriffs against China, voting for political partys who also take a tougher stance on China, are the way to go.
How about I let you know right now?mckmas8808 said:
But sure, supporting Communist China is worth it right just so you can get your cheap Playstations?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
JordanN
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Alright, don't say nobody warned you then.
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Tygeezy
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They haven't really been communists since 1978 though... Again, this is about IP theft, not their political ideology.China was a pariah state up until the end of the Cold War. It's actually terrifying how almost every nation shakes hands with them when this was the same country that threatened nuclear war with Russia and India.
We definitely had a choice up until the 1990s, but greed took over vs actually doing the right thing.
Because Communism fucking sucks and it's part of Communist doctrine to make the entire world be just like them.
You may hate the Red Scare but guess what? They were right.
Millions of lives were destroyed every time a government adopted Communism, and now the world is happy is to give China all their money because they value cheap plastic toys over freedom and prosperity.
Oh look at that. 65 MILLION KILLED IN CHINA ALONE.
And the Communist plan for the fate of the earth.
JordanN
Banned
So why are they targeting anti-communists then? They've also been producing propaganda that promotes communism (i.e the Karl Marx animation) under a government beaurau called Communist Youth League.
They are communists or highly sympathetic to the communist agenda.
Tygeezy
Member
Their biggest trading partner is South Korea, whom a lot of people would describe at hyper capitalists. they aren't trying to spread communism to other countries. You really can't be considered communists with how they have embraced free market since the late 70's. From like 1949- to the late 70's they absolutely were communists and many people suffered and died.So why are they targeting anti-communists then? They've also been producing propaganda that promotes communism (i.e the Karl Marx animation) under a government beaurau called Communist Youth League.
They are communists or highly sympathetic to the communist agenda.
I think you are right that it isn't a big deal that Sony and others have to get their parts from different countries. It just isn't about them being communists, and I don't see why you are harping on this so hard.
Will move to India. Its a US ally, Samsung recently built the worlds largest cellphone factory there , and the car manufacturers already have moved plants there.
JordanN
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Completely irrelevant. Hell, the U.S did trade with the Soviet Union all throughout its existence. The USSR and USA still were on complete opposites.
But they are. They are ruled by the Communist Party. They are sympathetic to communist causes and fight against those oppose it.Tygeezy said:
They venerate or still idolize Chairman Mao.
In China, Chairman Mao still bigger than Jesus
Hundreds of thousands expected at Chairman Mao's home village for the 120th anniversary of his birth
www.telegraph.co.uk
People are still suffering/dying.Tygeezy said:
But it's the defining characteristic. Anything that seizes power from Communists from becoming a global threat is a positive in my eyes.Tygeezy said:
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Tygeezy
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You picked a very odd hill to die on my friend. People aren't dying in mass by starvation in China like they were when they were actual communists.Completely irrelevant. Hell, the U.S did trade with the Soviet Union all throughout its existence. The USSR and USA still were on complete opposites.
But they are. They are ruled by the Communist Party. They are sympathetic to communist causes and fight against those oppose it.
They venerate or still idolize Chairman Mao.
In China, Chairman Mao still bigger than Jesus
Hundreds of thousands expected at Chairman Mao's home village for the 120th anniversary of his birth
People are still suffering/dying.
But it's the defining characteristic. Anything that seizes power from Communists from becoming a global threat is a positive in my eyes.
JordanN
Banned
Starvation is not the only way Communists kill people.
The USSR also stopped having famines after the 1950s, the government was still just as bit brutal and repressive.
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Tygeezy
Member
The current Chinese administration is not slaughtering it's own citizens.
JordanN
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China forcefully harvests organs from detainees, tribunal concludes
China's organ transplant trade is worth $1 billion a year, according to a tribunal. This story contains details some may find distressing.
www.nbcnews.com
Tygeezy
Member
Harvesting Organs from executed prisoners is not the same as slaughtering it's own citizens in mass.China forcefully harvests organs from detainees, tribunal concludes
China's organ transplant trade is worth $1 billion a year, according to a tribunal. This story contains details some may find distressing.
DunDunDunpachi
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When you can be detained for political dissent and disallowed religious beliefs...
What's the difference?
Tygeezy
Member
Those aren't executable offenses. I think we are getting way off course here. The reason for the trade war is because of IP theft, but OP is going on about how communism is somehow to blame, which isn't true.
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JordanN
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Because we all know how fair the Communist Chinese justice system is right? It's not like the Communists don't mass detain people at will?
Oh wait, they do.
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DunDunDunpachi
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Then you aren't educated on the situation in China.
Sorry to spoil your day with some disturbing facts...
Tygeezy
Member
Been to China, and know somebody that has served prison time in China. I know plenty about China.
DunDunDunpachi
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Anecdotal personal experience does not erase facts, as hard as that may be to accept for a tourist.
Tygeezy
Member
These are allegations, not facts. Again this is way off topic. We agree that IP theft is the reason and not communism correct?
DunDunDunpachi
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Sorry to make you uncomfortable.
Tygeezy
Member
So IP theft, yeah?
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
That has nothing to do with the statement of yours I replied to. If you don't want to have that conversation anymore, fine with me. I'm not involved in your conversation about IP theft and I'd appreciate not being leveraged to that end. Thanks.
Tygeezy
Member
Does it make you uncomfortable?
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
It does feel manipulative, yes, especially when you dodge after being confronted for your statements then try to drag me into unrelated arguments.
Tygeezy
Member
Look, I think you are a great poster, but you're the one that saw yourself into our dispute. Having a disagreement is one thing, but the tone you chose was combative, and I found it rude that because of a disagreement you say i'm not educated on China because of allegations being misrepresented as facts. They could very well be true, but it hasn't been proven. And that certainly doesn't make me uneducated on China. I'm well aware of the allegations. I'm very familiar with Falun Gong and how it's advertised in the US as the performance "Shen Yun." as well as its history in China.
I had been trying to steer the conversation away before you even butted in. If we want to talk about China, the political area is probably better. Their ideology has nothing to do with the trade war though. That's been the point i've been trying to make since I entered this thread. It doesn't make any sense to discuss it in this context. So no, I'm not dodging anything by not wanting to discuss communism in a thread that should be about IP theft.
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