Sony WWS output thus far.
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ALLseeingEYE
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Don't get me wrong, I think PS4 will have awesome support from Sony and 3rd parties, but I remember a year or two on PS3 where they had so many awesome exclusives coming out, that there just wasn't room for most of them to sell, and to my memory, most of them ended up selling poorly.
Honestly, it was a great strategy for platform momentum, especially as they transitioned over to PS4. People still have such a positive impression of Sony exclusive output, and they threw so many things at the wall, that a bunch of them stuck, and remain as hallmark games today in people's minds.
But I don't think it's smart for them financially, to produce like 8 AAA exclusives with $50-100 budgets in a single year as they had done a couple times on PS3 (but perhaps with lower budgets). Perhaps the big sellers will cover the costs, but even if SCE is separate from the rest of Sony, they are still a part of the whole.
We'll see how things go. If PS4 keeps selling like hotcakes, this could be viable, but Sony is a company first and foremost. If they sit on top with PS4, I imagine thier modus operandi will be to make money first and foremost.
brickarts295
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Honestly, people who are bitching about the lack of first party games with scores higher than 80 should just sell their PS4, you dont enjoy the first party games, you bitch about Knack not being a PS+, bitch even more with the insane ammount of indies and PS+ titles, then get angry when they dont get their DLNAs and MP3 support and dont get me started about PSN. If you can't handle it sell your PS4 buy a Wii U or Xbox One and come back in a few years.
Nightengale
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Sony, from a first party output perspective, have always had high years and low years, cyclically.
Remember how shit 2012 was for Sony first party games? Then suddenly 2013 was great overall? And now 2014 isn't all that good, but 2015 looks to be great?
Sure, Sony needs to work to avoid this roller coaster of releases, but 2014 was never going to be that great of a year for Sony looking at their release patterns.
Remember how shit 2012 was for Sony first party games? Then suddenly 2013 was great overall? And now 2014 isn't all that good, but 2015 looks to be great?
Sure, Sony needs to work to avoid this roller coaster of releases, but 2014 was never going to be that great of a year for Sony looking at their release patterns.
My opinion is that this first year has been a disappointment in general, we're still playing cross gen stuff, remasters and titles which ended up being disappointing.
You (op) said that WWS output has been disappointing, it definetly hasn't been stellar but we're still talking about the usual bunch of launch titles (including the delayed Driveclub). Let's look at the whole picture.....Titanfall has been a disappointment, Watch Dogs was an other letdown, with Destiny we got a game that was not even what was promised. Those were supposed to be the big new IPs of the year and they all failed to deliver on the next gen promise.
It seems like everyone is having issues delivering quality, maybe it's because these titles were affected by being transitional games, maybe people are expecting much more or developers are just failing to deliver. At this point I'm crossing fingers for Assassin's Creed Parity, Far Cry 4 and Dragon's Age because if those titles end up being disappointments, 2014 will be one of the worst first years ever for a new console.
2015 based on what we know should be significantly better for Sony as a publisher and for third parties in general, you know with PS3 things started with Genji, Lair and Heavenly Sword.
You have to be patient, if you're not satisifed play with something else.
You (op) said that WWS output has been disappointing, it definetly hasn't been stellar but we're still talking about the usual bunch of launch titles (including the delayed Driveclub). Let's look at the whole picture.....Titanfall has been a disappointment, Watch Dogs was an other letdown, with Destiny we got a game that was not even what was promised. Those were supposed to be the big new IPs of the year and they all failed to deliver on the next gen promise.
It seems like everyone is having issues delivering quality, maybe it's because these titles were affected by being transitional games, maybe people are expecting much more or developers are just failing to deliver. At this point I'm crossing fingers for Assassin's Creed Parity, Far Cry 4 and Dragon's Age because if those titles end up being disappointments, 2014 will be one of the worst first years ever for a new console.
2015 based on what we know should be significantly better for Sony as a publisher and for third parties in general, you know with PS3 things started with Genji, Lair and Heavenly Sword.
You have to be patient, if you're not satisifed play with something else.
simplythebest
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It will get better by next year
So far, the only smart decision Sony have made is to partner with From on Bloodborne. I say this as I don't expect DC or The Order to be received that well.
GT and GOW are likely years away, as is Guerillas new IP. They have made a compete mess when it comes to managing thier studios.
GT and GOW are likely years away, as is Guerillas new IP. They have made a compete mess when it comes to managing thier studios.
luknotluck
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Man, I wished that Sony would make game of the year-worthy games every year too!
Edit: Seriously, play some of those games longer than 2-3 hours. Some games get quite good especially if you play all the way through. Don't depend on gaming sites to tell you what game to buy and what not to buy. I think if you followed these criteria you would probably have more fun playing games.
Honestly, if you got bored of DC, you would get bored of FH2 as well. They're both driving games and you do pretty much the same thing, which is race.
Edit: Seriously, play some of those games longer than 2-3 hours. Some games get quite good especially if you play all the way through. Don't depend on gaming sites to tell you what game to buy and what not to buy. I think if you followed these criteria you would probably have more fun playing games.
Honestly, if you got bored of DC, you would get bored of FH2 as well. They're both driving games and you do pretty much the same thing, which is race.
Winterfang
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The end of last gen was pretty weak also, besides Last Of Us everything else was just average.
reynal1287
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I've noticed several posts claiming I have an agenda or am a shill of sorts, none of which
are true. Check it out:
Short of owning actual stocks, I'm about as balls deep into Sony as I can be.
As such, their WWS AAA output has been rather mediocre this gen, a criticism I feel quite
confident in leveling against them, especially when their main competitors have
released a number of great titles this year :/
DC's tepid critical performance compelled me to make this thread. I will likely
voice similar concerns if The Order under performs as well.
Yup, played it at a buddy's who had a wheel. I have no qualms with the game play,
but it got boring an hour in.
I got to play Killzone and Knack through him as well.
Having all consoles doesn't mean you're unbiased. Not saying you're a fanboy though.
BlackBuzzard
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Better average then nothing like 360 and Wii.
I wouldn't call Puppeteer and Ascension(yes ascension was worse then 3) average though.
Puppeteer was freaking awesome!
John Bender
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The classic "I have XXX so I can't be XXX" quote.I've noticed several posts claiming I have an agenda or am a shill of sorts, none of which
are true. Check it out:
Love it!
Winterfang
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The 360 had it's exclusives then, heck it's getting exclusives this year still unlike PS3/Wii.
The Wii ended the gen before both of them, so it's reasonable that it stopped serving the exclusives sooner.
Not sure you are understanding what they are saying.
BlackBuzzard
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Enlighten me of these 360 exclusives for this year.
Raonak
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Output hasn't been as good as it could have been, but you're really overselling the xbone's lineup in comparison. The only really great game has been forza horizon.
Nintendo is the only one doing strong, but that's mainly because wiiU has a year head start on them.
Infamous is great, better than 1, but not as good as 2.
Nintendo is the only one doing strong, but that's mainly because wiiU has a year head start on them.
Infamous is great, better than 1, but not as good as 2.
I noticed you can't really criticize PS4 around here. Maybe you need to check another forum.
Dude, come on.
BlackBuzzard
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You activated my victim card!
Gabriel_Logan
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As someone who's only owned Sony consoles since the PS1, their current line up sucks. The only game that looks like I might have to get a next gen console is MKX and that's third party. Bloodborne looks alright but I'm kinda soulsed out.
Exploratory
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Lolwut? Sunset isn't even out yet it could be an absolute dud.
Also I find it hilarious, ridiculous, and quite sad that OP is immediately called a shill for criticizing Sony in any way. Get over yourselves.
WordsintheWater
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I thought bullshit comments like these would stop after both consoles launched, but I guess I was sadly mistaken
Winterfang
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Fable Anniversary came out this year
Titanfall and Forza Horizon 2, Fantasia in a way
And obviously third party is still going strong with titles announce even for 2015
I've noticed several posts claiming I have an agenda or am a shill of sorts, none of which
are true. Check it out:
Short of owning actual stocks, I'm about as balls deep into Sony as I can be.
As such, their WWS AAA output has been rather mediocre this gen , a criticism I feel quite
confident in leveling against them, especially when their main competitors have
released a number of great titles this year :/
DC's tepid critical performance compelled me to make this thread. I will likely
voice similar concerns if The Order under performs as well.
Yup, played it at a buddy's who had a wheel. I have no qualms with the game play,
but it got boring an hour in.
I got to play Killzone and Knack through him as well.
You mean the gen that just started?
FFS.
He's not wrong though. I've stated a couple times now that I only own PS consoles,
but I'm still getting accused of being a shill with an agenda favoring competing platforms.
Yup, from what I've gathered through this thread many do share our sentiment. Sony
needs to step it up and someone needs to either have a word with Yoshida or
he needs to step down if 2015 doesn't deliver on the goods.
So pretty much if you feel the need to critique them for anything you should just seek your console?
Exploratory
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Lol LOOK AT THIS THREAD. You CANNOT criticize Sony without a shit storm. And no that doesn't mean GAF is biased it just means there's a specific group of members who are extremely volatile when it comes to the subject.
Why are you guys so quick to jump to their defense and refuse to even entertain the idea that what OP is saying has some truth to it? Stop fighting these companies battles ffs.
OP being called a shill just for giving his opinion about Sony WWS. Even though he has all Sony consoles. Yeah, that's normal.
It was unclear that your post was directed at only the OP and not a general sweep of GAF. My apologies.
Winterfang
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Of course he would have all the consoles. What with all the money, Microsoft gave him to make this thread.
BlackBuzzard
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So you list 3 multiplatform games as "exclusives" and Fable Anniversary.
Ill do the same
Blazblu Chrome Phantasma
MLB the show
Atelier Rorona Plus: The Alchemist of Arland
Drakengard 3
Many more i cba listing
Real PS3 only exclusives
Tales of Xillia 2
Tales of Symphonia
Ace Combat Infinity
Fairy Fencer F
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure All-Star Battle
List goes on and on
WordsintheWater
Member
So because certain posters are accusing you, then that means the whole forum is like that right? It's a stupid comment no matter how you slice it. And you claiming games like Sunset Overdrive should be praised and The Order will review poorly makes no sense, cause I'm pretty sure you haven't played either games yet.
For me personally I've enjoyed every PS exclusive over anything that Xbox One has offered. I thought Titanfall was overhyped and didn't enjoy it much despite actually having a blast with the beta. I don't play racing games really so any Forza game is out for me. The only exclusive I enjoyed, if you can even call it that now cause there's a PC version available, was Dead Rising 3.
But I guess if you want to base everything off reviews than Microsoft studios have had a better year, that's if we ignore a bunch of Indie titles for the PS4.
John Bender
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Seems like you don't like it here. Maybe you need to check another forum.
WordsintheWater
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Dude, I don't give a shit what happens with this console race, I'm not a fan of one console over the other. And he directly said that you can't criticize Sony on these forums, so that is indeed lumping everyone together. There are posters on both sides of the coin that do the same thing. I'm sure if I made a thread with this title except with Microsoft as the subject I would get shit from a few posters.
I never said it was normal, he has some valid criticisms, but you saying this forum is like that is where your comment goes wrong.
.Winterfang
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Did I asked for a list wars? I answer a question of a wild generalization saying the 360 didn't had any games, or that it was unsupported. They did last year, they did the year before and they still have games now.
John Bender
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2 years? You think rebooting a 250+ studio (= new games) can be easily achieved in 2 years?
Seems like you're a pro in rebooting game studios.
BlackBuzzard
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Yeah but thats not what you said. This is what you said
Which is wrong.
TheUnsunghero26
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No, owning an IP doesn't determine whether a game is first party or not. Bayonetta 2 and Sunset Overdrive are both first party games for example. Of course there is a difference between Sunset Overdrive (which is published by Microsoft), and Destiny (which is published by Activision).
Where did I say that?
And how does it have any bearing on what I wrote, other than to affirm my point? Cancelling everything and pushing shit (Knack) out the door is not successfully running a large games studio. It's a management failure. Being easy or hard isn't really worth anything in such a competitive industry.
duessano
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When he claimed Sunset had good gameplay before the game is even out and that Titanfall was an Xbox exclusive, I gave up.