Arachnid
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I'm not ready for a Leon send off. I want my boy in every RE game.
Top comments are right though. They don't have the balls to kill Leon.
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I'm not ready for a Leon send off. I want my boy in every RE game.
Top comments are right though. They don't have the balls to kill Leon.
Hawk The Slayer
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Out of all the RE Engine RE games, RE7 would also be my least favorite one too but this should at the very least still be better than RE7. RE7 had a pretty bad variety of enemies, unskippable cutscenes, no ingame cutscene for the protagonist, lame ass antagonists with the infected redneck family and a bad final boss, plus the setting isn't that great either. In the best case scenario RE9 becomes one if not the best RE game but even in the worse case scenario it'll still be better than RE7.
VeganElduderino
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hopefully you are right!
Re7 dint feel like a Re game at all, if I want to play a Outlast ripoff I would play Outlast...Re7 is far from a bad game! so yeah, hopefully Re9 is more Resident evil than Outlast , I was expecting Re9 to be more like Re4 because of the supposedly leaks back than...clearly not
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Madflavor
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Many of those games listed are good, great, and genre defining.
Maybe I'll approach this from a different angle then. The ceiling for quality in the RE1 - RE4 era was leagues higher than everything that came out between RE4 and RE7.
There was rougly 5 and a half years between RE3 and RE4, and between that time we got Code Veronica and Zero (good but flawed entries), and REmake, which often is regarded as the greatest Survival Horror game ever made. Juxtapose that with the wait between RE4 and RE7, there was 12 years. Over twice as long. Not to mention during that time, nothing that came out was close to the level of quality we got from the previous games (I mean the really good entries. Obviously Re5 is better than Dead Aim for example). It was just a longer and darker period of time for the franchise.
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Hawk The Slayer
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Yeah RE7 tried leaning too much into the horror and slow pace side when the original RE1 to 3 trilogy was never that slow and always had a good mix of horror and action combined. I personally hope RE9 is more like RE2 Remake with the action and horror balance.
Outbreak 1 and 2 were amazing and way ahead of it's time. Just a shame that online gaming on the PS2 was really small and unpopular. Had tons of fun with them even with bots which sometimes does do some cool and hekpful things or at the very least they did enough to add to the immersion and illusion that I had 3 other survivors with me all doing their own thing. A Outbreak Remake or Outbreak 3 using the style and mechanics of RE2R to RE4R would do wonders today.
ssringo
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I can say the same about your list. Well, other than genre defining seeing as genres have been pretty well defined.
This whole thing started because you said RE7 was when RE got good again and me replying that RE was always good, just sometimes less good. I do NOT see some "dark period" of the franchise as I enjoy nearly every game that we've posted.
This is me arguing. RE7 isn't when it "got good" again. It was when the franchise shifted away from the more action oriented style started by RE4. The franchise was getting stale and needed a refresh/different direction just like it did when RE4 came out. Resident Evil was always good.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
They won't kill off Leon but they need to give him a rest. Oversaturated character in the franchise. And wherever Leon goes Ada isn't too far behind.
Madflavor
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Your argument is basically "Well in MY opinion some of those games between RE4 - RE7 were great". That's fine if it's you opinion. I'm not looking to change your personal taste. I'm aware that on a case by case basis, people aren't going to all like the same thing. But general sentiment from fans is that particular period of time was not looked back fondly on. Certaintly not compared to the 96-2005 and 2017 - Present eras. That is the consensus.
As an aside, RE7 wasn't just a refresh/different direction. It was a return to the roots of what Resident Evil started as.
ssringo
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Its all opinion dude. The only consensus you might get is that RE6 was bad, bloated or the wrong direction for the franchise.
Sounds like a refresh to me.
Danjin44
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My opinion in RE7 is better than I thought even tho I don't like first person, but I still don't like it's first person combat and those mole monster are just boring as fuck even worse than enemies in RE Revelation.
Madflavor
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Both things can be true. It can be a refresh, and a return to series roots. There have been notable heads over at Capcom that have outright said there was a lot of fan outcry to bring Resident Evil back to being a Survival Horror. Why was there a lot of fan outcry? Because a lot of them were unhappy with the quality of the games and the direction of the series. And Capcom had enough data to confirm there were problems, and so they responded accordingly.
The game definitely lacks enemy variety, but I will say that I also first played that game in VR, and those things were absolutely terrifying to encounter in VR mode. Especially if it's your first playthrough. For me it's the only entry that actually manages to be scary.
DownLikeBCPowder
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Reading the leaks about open areas, vehicles, TLOU inspired combat.. dunno, sounding new a new frontier, one I'm not inherently excited for. Wait and see mode for me, I suppose.
Arachnid
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I genuinely hate Ada and mentally punch air when she pops up. Legit no interest in her one dimensional character or flat love arc with Leon. The best parts of the remakes where how much they downgraded Leons simping to making Ada an afterthought to his mission.
But I haven't had near enough Leon. He was main in two games (and their remakes, I guess). He then had 1/4 of the campaign in 6, the worst title in the entire series you'd have to pay me to play again.
Claire had 2, CV, and Rev 2 (she definitely had more playtime than Barry and stared). She popped up in 3 CGI outings.
Jill had 1, 3, the majority of Rev 1, and two DLC campaigns in RE5. She popped up in 1 CGI outing.
Chris had 1, 5, 1/4 of 6, 2 hour DLC in 7, a fraction of Rev 1, half of CV, and a small fraction of 8. He popped up in two CGI outings.
Leon has had less in game cannon appearances than any other main character that isn't my beloved Rebecca, and 4 was the only one he had to himself. People call him oversaturated because he stared in legit every RE CGI outing (Degeneration, Damnation, Vendetta, Infinite Darkness, and Death Island), but some shitty CGI movies don't replace actually playing as him to me. I need more Leon games in my future. Especially since the magic of RE4 was never replicated until it's remake. I need at least one more god tier action horror game from Old Leon.
PlayStaytion
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They aren't real gamers. Fortunately, that's the most basic fundamental thing needed from everyone in the industry.
Madflavor
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Better hurry up Leon and continue the Redfield bloodline. Times a tickin.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
He's actually the 3rd most used. Right behind Jill and Chris. And if we do count the CGI films he is definitely the most used.
Plenty of characters have only been playable in one specific event including Rebecca, Carlos, Sheva, Sherry, Jake, Billy, Keith, Quint, Parker, Helena. And a couple other characters like Jessica Sherawat but those like her are antagonists or a temporary playable character.
So that argument falls flat on it's face.
What I can attest to is that Chris and Jill have the most playable appearances.
And you can say whatever you want but the CGI films are deemed canon and that gives Leon an absurd amount of plot armor when he is ragdolled against walls quite often that would kill a regular person or fighting things that quite clearly would overpower him. Your only counter argument is that his infection with the Plaga virus had persistent side effects even after being cured from it. In the same vein that Sherry has a healing factor from G strain and Jill is otherwise enhanced through the T strain as a few examples.
With this in mind when they say Leon doesn't make sense for a horror game they would be correct. It's because at this point he is as much of a monster as the monsters themselves much like Jill and Chris are.