So the merit behind the particular decision doesn't matter, because you have a pre-determined characterization of the companies?
Sony's response to EA Access Subscription plan
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So the merit behind the particular decision doesn't matter, because you have a pre-determined characterization of the companies?
SolidSnakeUS
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Doesn't Best Buy have a paid reward thing to that gives you 20% off all pre-ordered games, and can even be piled on with other sales/coupons?
You answered your own question already. Lots of people have completely eaten up this idea that Sony is looking out for the gamers first and foremost. This news is incompatible with that notion, but people are trying to rationalize it to fit anyways. It doesn't work, but its awfully funny seeing people try.
robertsan21
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I hate multiple subscriptions, The way PSN works now is perfect. And with this EA move, I am sure PSN will benefit from it, who says PSN cant have their own early access to games etc.
The Jackdog
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If you apply the same logic to the actual software, every holiday season we would all go insane at the amount of choices in games.
"Dragon age or halo or the order or....nvm im just gonna give up forever"
Doesnt happen. "Too many subscriptions" is such a cop out. I get people being kinda worried it sets a bad precedent, like we saw from F2P, but.....again....these companies arent going to start doing something that doesnt WORK.
So if this works, its not like Ubi can come out with a competing service and completely rips everyone off and be successful.
If something comes out and is a bad deal....dont buy it. Seriously, give it a shot. Its a wonder how much money youll save.
Makes me wonder if the likes of need for speed etc will come to games withngold and ps+.... So I see sonys point. Mind you they want it all under thier ps+ banner..
But we get ps+ discounts on games anyways...
Madden,Fifa 14 are a month or so away of being worthless... If eas service is going to be predominantly last years sports titles then ill pass
But we get ps+ discounts on games anyways...
Madden,Fifa 14 are a month or so away of being worthless... If eas service is going to be predominantly last years sports titles then ill pass
AusRoachman
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Sony users might not care now because the games they offer have already been brought or played but I wonder how they will feel when something like battlefront has an exclusive beta or mirrors edge 2 e.t.c
That's why I think the more options everyone has the better , users can decide they will spend 5 bucks to get beta access e.t.c
It was the same with the destiny alpha, I would have happily paid 5 dollars to try it. Heck people paid almost as much as a yearly subscription just for a metal gear solid demo.
That's why I think the more options everyone has the better , users can decide they will spend 5 bucks to get beta access e.t.c
It was the same with the destiny alpha, I would have happily paid 5 dollars to try it. Heck people paid almost as much as a yearly subscription just for a metal gear solid demo.
Seems like you're implying hypocrisy here as well? I for one, don't really care about EA games, but if I'm going to get any, they'd probably be on PC, which bizarrely isn't included in this subscription plan.
And you're the worst with the "people" abstract post on a message board. There's the quote function for a reason, if you want to decry a particular post for being inconsistent, by all means do so, but the whole implication that there's a hive mind of collective subconscious on GAF for a certain segment of the population is as ridiculous as most of your other posts.
So are we discussing here? Best consumer scenarios? Best EA scenarios? Best Sony scenarios? I want the best deal for me as a consumer. Netflix, Hulu, HBO and Amazon video means zero for me as those services are out of reach for me in Portugal.
HighResTomato
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What happened to #4ThePlayers?
If EA did include new releases you are shit out of luck as Sony made your decision for you.
I want some of the Sony koolaide that seems to have been given out that makes people prefer the "new" Sony vs Sony from last gen
I get why they are doing this,I am just amazed how they convince people to be happy about it
The games they offer for free are games I never thought were good enough for me to actually buy in the past, with some exceptions. I have ps plus for the discounts on games I WANT to buy.
It's nice to mess around with the free games but I never would've bought them anyway and I barely play the free games.
Handy Fake
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This is exactly what the naysayers are railing against.
Also, in the UK it's known as "a c***'s trick".
Night Angel
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I'd rather have the option, but I can see why Sony wouldn't want a competing games subscription service on their console. They'll have to change their tune if it's wildly popular or successful.
SEGAvangelist
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It's very similar to the way MMOs lose subs but increase revenue of existing players. I don't see the problem if the consumer is happy.
BruiserBear
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Yeah. It's a little disturbing how many people seem to "pick a side" on these new consoles and from there on out it's cheering for "your team" no matter what happens.
Many of the people who are against this EA Access thing, probably subscribe to Netflix and Spotify, and don't even realize the irony of it all.
Miles Quaritch
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Because most big developers have done such a fantastic job of broadening the appeal of gaming over the past decade?
Jog on what that bullshit.
The broadening has and will continue to come from indies. This business model makes perfect sense for big developers/publishers. It allows them to appeal to a larger audience who might otherwise not buy their games and it benefits gamers to a pool of potentially dozens of games for a low price.
It's entirely possible EA might pull a bait and switch and when that happens, the service will rightly collapse as people abandon ship, but the idea that those who support it in its current form or those who like it are corporate ball washers is moronic and worthy of ridicule.
Yes, though paying for that kind of devalues the discount vs a typical $10 discount anyone can have with them for free.
The point was that your scenario isn't realistic. Sure, it's great for the consumer, but no corporation in their right mind would leave that money on the table.
No it does not PS+ membership has skyrocketed and the PS4 offerings well have been sub par at best to be honest.
Coulomb_Barrier
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You actually think EA want to lose more revenue in the long run by offering these titles for less money? Do you think EA's plan is to lessen the burden on gamer's wallets so they can all enjoy a happier gaming life? EA?
Not only is your thinking incredibly naieve, it's stupid considering we are talking about EA here. You are also being contradictory. You say gamers shouldn't need a corporation like Sony to tell them how to spend their money so you propose we welcome EA to do that instead? Am I f*cking reading this right?
The fact you can type that with a straight face with the crusade you've been on is quite amusing.
jts
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I didn't even bring it up, just defended it as it is a valid point to prove Sony's hypocrisy in relation to this and that it shows how it ultimately boils down to how much money they can grab themselves from the services offered to their costumers.
If EA cuts them a bigger slice, then it's all aboard the EA Access Express.
Well first off most of my history has been with PC games.
Secondly this is still about pricing. We suspect that in the end when more companies try to adopt EA's system that it will make games more expensive but without having a competitor that offers an alternative business model (in this case Sony) we would end up being ignorant of the long term costs.
Thirdly while this hasn't been discussed yet, the threat of bigger publishers doing this locks in people to their business model instead of the current free for all we have now. Gamers would be less inclined on not paying for games that aren't discounted in their subscription service which would slow down the innovation of indiegames as they are less likely to get revenue and more likely need to follow any design guidelines of any subscription based publisher demands.
gamechanger87
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Its not just the 10% discount and the 5 days early that I like. Its also access to EA's vault which contains games that I may like to play but don't want to buy. I just downloaded Peggle 2 which is $10 on the store. Would I have bought the game? No. But if it is available as part of this package I will gladly fork over $30 for this game and anything else that gets added over time.
shanafan
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A company looking to increasing profits? Every single company out there wants to maximize profits. Why do you think Sony made PS+ a requirement for MP games on PS4?
I say that plenty of people are still interested in playing Madden and Battlefield 4. They might not be your cup of tea, but online players numbers prove otherwise. For $5 a month, that's a steal. Not a lot of money out of your pocket if those are the games for you.
EA, MS, Sony, Nintendo, Ubisoft, Atlus, Square Enix.. they all want to increase profits. It isn't just an EA thing.
AusRoachman
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No it's not, the service needs value so obviously betas are part of that, you think sony didn't pay activision to make destiny alpha sony only? It's no different from exclusivity agreements e.t.c, the difference is I can choose to pay or miss out, I never got that option with exclusivity agreements.
BruiserBear
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Yeah, it's shameful that I want the OS for my PS4 to get better. Just disgusting really.
I remember watching a Brain Games episode that was similar to this
toddhunter
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Opus Angelorum
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For shame BruiserBear, for shame.
Wickerbasket
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You don't see a problem with features being held back for subscribers that used to be free for everyone?
I have a real problem with that. I don't want stuff taken away, it sucks.
I hate exclusivity agreements too, they suck.
The1stOfHisName
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The problem is, everyone who has bought into this already, and plans to do so over the coming months, have essentially voted with their wallet. The program already 'works'.
Yes, financials will come into it, but you can be certain that the other big publishers will be keeping a very close eye on how much money EA rake in as a result.
Just because you are getting a good deal now, don't forget that there will inevitably be a consequence of that further down the line. I certainly can't blame people for getting in on this, $30 for a few semi-recent games is a pretty good deal, plus the discounts etc. But you aren't testing the waters, or grabbing a bargain while the going's good, you are telling EA and everyone else that yes, you are happy to pay for multiple subscriptions, and would it perhaps be possible to throw some more money at them in return for exclusive DLC, or premium items? When the microtransaction gravy train pulls into the station as well, better start looking at re-mortgaging.
Yes, financials will come into it, but you can be certain that the other big publishers will be keeping a very close eye on how much money EA rake in as a result.
Just because you are getting a good deal now, don't forget that there will inevitably be a consequence of that further down the line. I certainly can't blame people for getting in on this, $30 for a few semi-recent games is a pretty good deal, plus the discounts etc. But you aren't testing the waters, or grabbing a bargain while the going's good, you are telling EA and everyone else that yes, you are happy to pay for multiple subscriptions, and would it perhaps be possible to throw some more money at them in return for exclusive DLC, or premium items? When the microtransaction gravy train pulls into the station as well, better start looking at re-mortgaging.
shanafan
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But in your earlier post, you said you buy physical.
Sorry, but I am seeing this as.. EA and MS doing digital, no thanks. Sony doing digital, sign me up?
Handy Fake
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But that the cost of that early access wasn't passed onto the consumer on top of the usual subscription fee.
And exactly - you can pay to subscribe to our service, or you miss out.
Look up the price of BF4 on amazon for ps4. Its already cost more right now than the entire $30 per year EA's service. So yes Sony is ripping you off by not allowing you to do this (according to their statement). So yes they are holding your hand.
Opus Angelorum
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But PSN+ is better value!
Company wants to monetize it's intellectual property, news at 11.
JetBlackPanda
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Oh man I love all of them! What company should I subscribe to?
Sony wants you to be a PS+ subscriber ala Netflix.
In EAs world we all pay a subscription to each publisher for their content.
How awesome would it be if I had to buy a sub to MGM online! Universal plus and lucasfilm archives to watch their movies online?
No thanks.
It's still bullshit that Sony made that decision for gamers since obviously some people want it.
Personally hope it isn't very successful. Essentially everyone with a PS4 is already paying for PS+ and a bunch of separate subscription plans with companies deciding to never bring their games to the service most of us already are paying for lowers that service's value. Companies should feel incentivized to make their games available for the service we already pay for, not feel free to ask us to pay for another one.
This...and this is not even taking into account other games that will come out...this is bad value for Playstation, because they don't make as much money if this is used heavily...bizarre decision by them if they are #4theplayers
SolidSnakeUS
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I understand. I wasn't trying to do anything but add on for options of what they had. That's all.
Dragonborn
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Yup. I got mine 60 bucks for two years. Much better deal if you're looking for disciunts since it applies to all new games, not just EA
If the EA service essentially becomes nothing more than a 5 day early, %10 discount new game service with a good vault for 100% free games, it is a great idea.
EA has ZERO credibility and a huge track record that suggests it will not stay just that. I find it incredibly likely that they will move existing free things to this paid service, that is why I am against it as an option.
Yes Sony removed a choice, but by doing so they protected far more choices. Sony did this to protect their finances with plus more than anything sure, but that doesn't negate the benefit it has to me as a consumer.
paranoidfortean
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EA is selling you last year's sports games for a monthly fee.
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