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jarrod said:
Announced games so far...

-Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles 2
-Metroid Prime 3
-New Donkey Kong
-New EAD title
-New Legend of Zelda
-New Super Mario
-New Super Smash Bros

...announced publishers...

-Activision
-Electronic Arts
-KOEI
-Konami
-Namco Bandai
-Nintendo
-SEGA
-Square Enix
-THQ

...I bet they could round up something soon. Hell, if Revolution launches with just Luigi's Townhouse, NST Rape Racer and Ultra Monkey Ball I'll be happy. :)

To me this mean there's 2 games so far. All the "new" are games "that they will come up with". It it indeed dry, hard to believe this could launch in June imo.
 
Wyzdom said:
To me this mean there's 2 games so far. All the "new" are games "that they will come up with". It it indeed dry, hard to believe this could launch in June imo.

Nintendo has said 2006, but has never announced a timetable. However, Iwata has commented that it wouldn't be good if they were last out of the door.

So a Rev launching in November would probably be last out of the door.
 
Wyzdom said:
To me this mean there's 2 games so far. All the "new" are games "that they will come up with". It it indeed dry, hard to believe this could launch in June imo.
Well, EAD hasn't exactly been pumping out console games either. TWW is like their only major title for the past year and a half... undoubtedly someone's working on something.
 
Also, I wouldn't doubt that a good many late/unannounced Gamecube projects are getting the Revolution treatment last minute due to the similar development platform. Didn't Iwata say something like that himself when asked about the Revolution lineup in a post TGS interview?
 
jarrod said:
Well, EAD hasn't exactly been pumping out console games either. TWW is like their only major title for the past year and a half... undoubtedly someone's working on something.

you mean TP?
 
Jarrod. Don't forget Producer Katsuya Eguchi confirmed Animal Crossing Revolution. Miyamoto also suggested Stage Debut is in next-gen development (thought it might be DS).
 
Things like new versions of Dave Mirra/Tony Hawks, FIFA, NFSpeed, THQ Wrestling games etc. Those are the kind of things that could probably accompany any launch at a short notice. It'd be interesting to see what impact taking advantage of the controller would have on that possibility though..

I bet Nintendo have quite a lot for it themselves. With little to nothing being announced by Nintendo for the Gamecube in terms of first party, you can actually say there is more third party software being announced (Baten Kaitos 2 etc).. shocking indictment really.

Thats why I think this is pretty believable.
I do doubt that they can hit the same date worldwide though. Has anyone done it convincingly yet? (*all eyes watching Microsoft in the next couple of months*)

And I'm also wondering if this amounts to ***** rumor-mongering, whether its guesswork or whether they feel its from a reputable source. I hope they're right.
The sooner I get to play it the better.
 
Wyzdom said:
To me this mean there's 2 games so far. All the "new" are games "that they will come up with". It it indeed dry, hard to believe this could launch in June imo.


That fact is you(or any of us really) have no idea what they definately do or don't have. How many times has Nintendo dropped surprise games at the last minute? To say they don't have games for the machine at this stage is pretty unrealistic if you ask me.. They are definately launching next year with out a doubt. This much i think we can all agree on. The 4-5 months difference between june and november will not make much difference if they don't have any games at this point don't you think?
 
SantaCruZer said:
you mean TP?
Yeah, my mistake. :)


Shikamaru Ninja said:
Jarrod. Don't forget Producer Katsuya Eguchi confirmed Animal Crossing Revolution. Miyamoto also suggested Stage Debut is in next-gen development (thought it might be DS).
Yep. We also know that Grasshopper Manufacture confirmed working on a Rev game. Contact Revolution perhaps?

I expect we'll also see a RR6 port from Namco Bandai and Power Pro from Konami near launch. Naka's Sonic Next seems like a certainty too imo as does a new Monkey Ball from Nagoshi and maybe a Psy-Phi port from AM2 also (since it's control scheme wouldn't lend the game to PS3/360 ports). Chunsoft's Homeland would be ideal for an upgraded Revolution port.

No doubt Nintendo has Wario Ware Revolution coming too. :)
 
What event would they have to show off REAL software though? CES? A special Nintendo eevent?

E3 is only a month before june.
The media would need time to disemminate the info/screens and generate hype surely?
Or are they REALLY gonna pull an apple, and have stuff on shelves nigh on the second its unveiled??
 
radioheadrule83 said:
What event would they have to show off REAL software though? CES? A special Nintendo eevent?

E3 is only a month before june.
The media would need time to disemminate the info/screens and generate hype surely?
Or are they REALLY gonna pull an apple, and have stuff on shelves nigh on the second its unveiled??


Unless they hype it before E3 and just use the event to blow the doors off with tons of playable media. :)
 
radioheadrule83 said:
What event would they have to show off REAL software though? CES? A special Nintendo eevent?

E3 is only a month before june.
The media would need time to disemminate the info/screens and generate hype surely?
Or are they REALLY gonna pull an apple, and have stuff on shelves nigh on the second its unveiled??


Well, they've already ripped off Apple's design, not that that's a bad thing.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
Or are they REALLY gonna pull an apple, and have stuff on shelves nigh on the second its unveiled??
That is out of the question in this industry where hardware manufacturas are in need of a gazillion people in many different companies that all require extremely in-depth knowledge months/year in advance. Talking about developers. You don't really need that for a new ipod iteration.
 
Leatherface said:
Unless they hype it before E3 and just use the event to blow the doors off with tons of playable media. :)

That's all they really need, isn't it? viewable at CES, playable at E3, demo kiosks introduced a week or so later. Not saying I believe this news, but it's possible. It'd be damn nice, anyway.
 
Leatherface said:
Unless they hype it before E3 and just use the event to blow the doors off with tons of playable media. :)


that is what i am thinking.

remember nintendo said we will get full info of system this year and also nintnedo will be at CES next Jan
 
Watch, the shifting of dates around of games like Kirby and Baten Kaitos 2 is all something Nintendo is cooking up to get all these games launched around the time of the Rev launch...

Or maybe enhanced and switched to Rev development for a launch title.
I mean, damn, how many times has someone from Nintendo said all you need to do is "start development on the gamecube, and then easily switch over to Rev development..." yadda yadda business.
 
I guess it's possible. And now that they've unveiled the controller, all they have to do is start unveiling games and it seems like a normal lead-in to a launch. But it's hard to believe that they'd first unveil games at E3, only to launch 1 month later.
 
if they launch with banana crazy (which I will refuse to stop calling it until I see a dif name) then I will love them on day 1.

EDIT: they really should just hold off and improve twilight princess for a rev launch. that and SSBM = instant sales.
 
The launch games for this system will be so awful. Uninspired add in controller usage ala DS launch, + tech demos. Then 6-12 months down the line, interesting ideas, etc.
 
catfish said:
if they launch with banana crazy (which I will refuse to stop calling it until I see a dif name) then I will love them on day 1.

EDIT: they really should just hold off and improve twilight princess for a rev launch. that and SSBM = instant sales.



All they need is Nintendogs.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
The launch games for this system will be so awful. Uninspired add in controller usage ala DS launch, + tech demos. Then 6-12 months down the line, interesting ideas, etc.
C'mon... do you wanna play RR6 with a motion sensitive wand? It's gonna be the best way to play RR since NeGcon. :)
 
ThunderEmperor said:
june is possible for wordwide, heck the us got ds first , so why can the do it the same way, rev lunches in 2 week of june in Us, next week in Japan and 3 weeks after us lunch in Euro
Well, it could, but there wouldn't be such a big reason. DS just squeaked in at the beginning of the big holiday sales season for two of the three major territories. But it's not like there's a big necessity to have a worldwide launch in June. Launch in the US in August or September, and nothing much is lost in the grand scheme. Heck, it might even be a bit beneficial to launch alongside Madden.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
The launch games for this system will be so awful. Uninspired add in controller usage ala DS launch, + tech demos. Then 6-12 months down the line, interesting ideas, etc.

That depends what you mean by awful ... sure for the DS, some of the early games were indeed "experiments" but there were still fun to be had out of them ...

But other than that, I agree with what you say, there will definitely be a certain amount of "failed" experimentation involved early on, unless of course Nintendo manage to release a "Mario64" at launch.
 
Leatherface said:
That fact is you(or any of us really) have no idea what they definately do or don't have. How many times has Nintendo dropped surprise games at the last minute? To say they don't have games for the machine at this stage is pretty unrealistic if you ask me.. They are definately launching next year with out a doubt. This much i think we can all agree on. The 4-5 months difference between june and november will not make much difference if they don't have any games at this point don't you think?


I agree but whatever we come up with, they need games. They need numbers and games announced. This is how your attrack userbase. Mario 64 and the N64 launch goes against this but it was an exception imo.
Especially when it's also an item that differs from the competition, you have to show what it's about. The DS almost had not enough stuff to show people "hey look, it's different and cool". Remember the first months and people annoyed for not having games. I was also convincing people not to sell me their DS yet at my store this summer.
The Rev needs games and games that shows what it's about so Nintendo will gain userbase and make their console successfull. This is more what i wanted to tell.

SantaCruzer: i can believe a November launch. Many things happen during one year.
 
Worldwide? :lol

No way in hell, heaven or earth.

Microsoft is currently having a hernia to get 360 done worldwide, saying it regrets it now given the hassle it's caused. Given the utter disdane Nintendo has shown for the European market (even when it gets its arse handed to it every single time and it continues to make empty promises), there's next to no chance of Nintendo releasing the same time across Europe, Japan and the US. The company cant even get DS games out over here at a decent time, let alone launch a whole machine with all that entails.

Pie in the sky, as sad as it is -- June or no, there's no way a worldwide launch will be viable.

C.
 
cbrotherson said:
Pie in the sky, as sad as it is -- June or no, there's no way a worldwide launch will be viable.

C.

Well its viable... the question is would you want to do it... At least in Microsoft case, they have the incentive of trying to catch the holiday season ...

I think Nintendo will probably stagger the releases over a period of about 3 months.
 
Xellotah said:
I think Nintendo will probably stagger the releases over a period of about 3 months.
This seems most likely imo, just like N64, GBC, GBA, GC & DS. So for a theoretical June 2006 launch...

Japan~ June 2006
America~ August 2006
Europe~ September 2006
 
jarrod said:
This seems most likely imo, just like N64, GBC, GBA, GC & DS. So for a theoretical June 2006 launch...

Japan~ June 2006
America~ August 2006
Europe~ September 2006


this sounds pretty realistic to me. I could see this happening.
 
Xellotah said:
Pie in the sky, as sad as it is -- June or no, there's no way a worldwide launch will be viable.

Nintendo President Satoru Iwata has told Nikkei Business that the Nintendo Revolution would be coming "after April" of 2006, and that the company was going to try and tackle an international launch (Nintendo Japan has the details in Japanese). You may recall that Nintendo attempted to launch North America and Japan nearly simultaneously when it debuted the Nintendo DS, but then it took several months to get it into the hands of gamers in Europe. The Micro was launched in an even tighter window, from September 13th in Japan and North America a week later, to Europe, which will launch on November 4.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051024-5474.html

With that being said, I personally feel there will still be delays, especially on the software side of things [as you suggested] -- but time will tell...
 
GDGF said:
That's all they really need, isn't it? viewable at CES, playable at E3, demo kiosks introduced a week or so later. Not saying I believe this news, but it's possible. It'd be damn nice, anyway.

I think everyone is overestimating tradeshow publicity. It's great for industry people, but they need more time to advertise than a few weeks after E3 for the general population. Especially if they want to cater to non-gamers. You think someone who doesn't play games even knows what E3 is?
 
vitaflo said:
I think everyone is overestimating tradeshow publicity. It's great for industry people, but they need more time to advertise than a few weeks after E3 for the general population. Especially if they want to cater to non-gamers. You think someone who doesn't play games even knows what E3 is?

Most people that play games doesn't even know what E3 is... :lol
 
jarrod said:
Announced games so far...

-Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles 2
-Metroid Prime 3
-New Donkey Kong
-New EAD title
-New Legend of Zelda
-New Super Mario
-New Super Smash Bros

...announced publishers...

-Activision
-Electronic Arts
-KOEI
-Konami
-Namco Bandai
-Nintendo
-SEGA
-Square Enix
-THQ

...I bet they could round up something soon. Hell, if Revolution launches with just Luigi's Townhouse, NST Rape Racer and Ultra Monkey Ball I'll be happy. :)

That list alone has convinced me that there is no way the Revolution will launch in June 2006. You need launch games, and that doesn't cover it. Yes, I realize that there could be secret first-party or close (e.g. Sega) third-party games, but until they get announced and shown far along in development, I heavily doubt a June launch.

Didn't most developers just find out about the controller shortly before the TGS in September? Even with the ease of transitioning a GameCube project to Revolution (at least just for graphics), 9 months isn't enough time (yes, I know Rogue Squadron II was 9 months in development). Plus, there isn't a whole lot of third-party support for GameCube, right now, so there's not a lot to transition (unless they started on the GameCube SDK in preparation to transition it to Revolution).

Totally guessing, but I would think that September 2006 would be a better target date. 1 year from TGS unveiling, 5 year anniversary of GameCube launch (in Japan), or 10 year anniversary of N64 launch (in U.S.). Not that there'd be much software then, either, based on what's been announced so far, but at least that'd give third-parties a year to port games with rudimentary use of the Revolution controller (see: DS launch).
 
Xellotah said:
Well its viable... the question is would you want to do it... At least in Microsoft case, they have the incentive of trying to catch the holiday season ...

I think Nintendo will probably stagger the releases over a period of about 3 months.

Hmm, well ok -- technically, it's viable. Realistically? No way. Seriously, the industry's problems with Nintendo are legendary (I've first hand stories that would make your hair curl... erm if it isnt already curled, lol ;) ) and problems are all over the place. Unless they get some structural changes and actually make an effort over here, there's not a chance of it happening. There's a disturbingly lax attitude towards the continent, as it's far more work and stress than most territories given the language and cultural diversity. Total pain in the arse, as Microsoft are finding out right now.

I totally appriciate and respect MS for trying it out, even though it currently wants to commit sepukku for all the pain -- but that will be worth it when the Christmas sales come rolling in. But for Nintendo to actually do the same, well, it would take a very large change in its philosphy to pull it off. And in the last few years working with them, Sony and MS, I dont see anything changing any time soon.

Let me put it this way. Sony could attempt the same thing, but I'd guess it wont. Why? Because for the last 12 months (maybe more) Sony US and Sony UK have been at each others throats. Hence the part the problems with PSP UK launch, God of War not doing well here for lack of ads, and so on. And this from a company that shows a little bit more respect for Europe than Nintendo does.

I personally would LOVE Nintendo to do a worldwide roll out. I really would. I've supported that company time and time again, even when it bent the continent over and shafted us time and time again. But it's nearly November now. That gives it little over 7 months to get busy. We've not even had the GB Micro yet. And that, by all intents and purposes, is a far easier launch than Revolution. Company infrastructural changes will take a good few months, IF the company does it.
7 months.
There's a pain of reality here kicking the chances of a worldwide launch (even 3 months apart from the US/Japanese one) squarely in the nuts. Esp when this rumour popped up before, and it also being in the leanest season gaming always has. US and Japan close together? Possible. Europe too? Very unlikely. But I'd love to be proved wrong.

C.
 
I'll believe this news for now because:

1. Nintendo keeps saying they want to "shock" everyone by unveiling the Rev and it's true software at the 11th hour just before launch. Hey, E3...

2. With Rev development flowing so smoothly out of GC development, it would seem everyone has a head start on the hardware and would largely have to concentrate on the interface.


However, I do predict that they'll shock the world by announcing two packages!

A. The $199 Revolutionary Package, which includes the Revolution, Gyromote Controller, and Nunchunk Adapter!

B. The $50 Core Package which includes a Nintendo Entertainment System, NES pad, and an RF adapter! After all, many gamers may not yet be ready or even interested in the state of the art!
 
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