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[dose]

Am I missing something? Why is everyone taking this story as fact?
1) This is Spong, and
2) Nintendo's other handheld, the DS, isn't even out in Europe yet.

 

[Folder]

And not to further bag on Spong -- it's wholly warranted, of course, but talk about kicking someone when they're down -- you'd figure if they know this, they'd already have the scoop on THE BIG REVEAL next month. Which they apparently do not.

Here:

Xbox 2 to Break E3 Embargo – March Showing Mooted

Senior sources claim hardware and software within 30 days.

25th Feb 2005

Related Links Companies Microsoft Game Studios
Link to This Article http://news.spong.com/x?art=8378
SPOnG believes that Microsoft is set to surprise the gaming world by showing its Xbox 2 console well before this May’s E3 show, slated for mid-May in Los Angeles.

According to two independent sources, the Redmond software giant has an Xbox 2 conference of ‘significant importance’ slated for some point in March 2005, which SPOnG has been led to believe will include software and hardware being displayed to the public for the first time.

On contacting Microsoft this morning, we were told, “…that at this time, we have no announcement to make regarding the next-generation Xbox,” making a refreshing, perhaps even telling break for the 'we don’t comment on rumour or speculation'. line.

So we must ask ourselves, does the news stack up? Certainly, the timelines for the roll-out of Xbox 2 break all the rules. The successor coming so soon after the original is illustrative of Microsoft’s refusal to follow the industry norm. There will also have been considerable investment into market trends regarding product acceptance. With all three consoles being unveiled at E3, there is a significant risk that much of the coverage in the mainstream press will focus on the market-leading PlayStation brand and the highly mysterious headline-grabber that is Nintendo’s Revolution.

If Microsoft show Xbox 2 next month, it will have a free run at the media, snatching attention away from the PSP and the DS and be in a position to capitalise on a product that will already be a tangible next-generation home console in the eyes of gamers and the press.

 

[Enigma]

Wow. Folder provides new entertainment for GA today. Somebody start a new thread about this so the bitching can begin.

 

[gofreak]

Here:

Think he's talking about "the big DS reveal", the long-rumoured Nintendo announcement.

 

[Folder]

Wow. Folder provides new entertainment for GA today. Somebody start a new thread about this so the bitching can begin.

The news is old. See the date.
What is interesting is that it's looking as though Sony and Microsoft are going to show consoles this month.
Console Fight!

 

[john tv]

Folder, that's not what Kohler's talking about.

 

[Odnetnin]

Here:

Xbox 2 to Break E3 Embargo – March Showing Mooted

Senior sources claim hardware and software within 30 days.

25th Feb 2005

Related Links Companies Microsoft Game Studios
Link to This Article http://news.spong.com/x?art=8378
SPOnG believes that Microsoft is set to surprise the gaming world by showing its Xbox 2 console well before this May’s E3 show, slated for mid-May in Los Angeles.

According to two independent sources, the Redmond software giant has an Xbox 2 conference of ‘significant importance’ slated for some point in March 2005, which SPOnG has been led to believe will include software and hardware being displayed to the public for the first time.

On contacting Microsoft this morning, we were told, “…that at this time, we have no announcement to make regarding the next-generation Xbox,” making a refreshing, perhaps even telling break for the 'we don’t comment on rumour or speculation'. line.

So we must ask ourselves, does the news stack up? Certainly, the timelines for the roll-out of Xbox 2 break all the rules. The successor coming so soon after the original is illustrative of Microsoft’s refusal to follow the industry norm. There will also have been considerable investment into market trends regarding product acceptance. With all three consoles being unveiled at E3, there is a significant risk that much of the coverage in the mainstream press will focus on the market-leading PlayStation brand and the highly mysterious headline-grabber that is Nintendo’s Revolution.

If Microsoft show Xbox 2 next month, it will have a free run at the media, snatching attention away from the PSP and the DS and be in a position to capitalise on a product that will already be a tangible next-generation home console in the eyes of gamers and the press.

so your speculation = breaking news? Bolded = what a lot of shit. You guys just write shit up. No conference and your sites already close to non-existent profile will just get even smaller

 

[Amir0x]

so your speculation = breaking news? Bolded = what a lot of shit. You guys just write shit up. No conference and your sites already close to non-existent profile will just get even smaller

Folder is hella cool. SPONG is just craz-ay though. I never know what to believe!

 

[JackFrost2012]

Wow, Folder, what an exciting piece of news!

 

[Odnetnin]

Folder, that's not what Kohler's talking about.

Johnno... Spill the means.

 

[JackFrost2012]

This news is TOO HOT FOR PM, I don't think John's just gonna go around telling it to GAFfers ... you need to know the secret handshake!

 

[john tv]

Johnno... Spill the means.

They're not my beans to spill.

 

[Amir0x]

They're not my beans to spill.

I like chocolate flavoured beans.

 

[Brannon]

Didn't expect Nintendo to do this... waitaminit...


At least it won't be as bad as the Sega 32X situation. Then the Sega Neptune...

 

[Odnetnin]

They're not my beans to spill.

where did I even talk about beans?

Bean beans cabbages asaparugus he plundered my arugala.. he stole my greens - wicked witch from into the woods

You're so hot right now. Does flattery help? :lol Is it big news or just stupid? Surely you can say this. If you say yes, Folder will probably report this as news. Do it for the lollers.

 

[JackFrost2012]

If you say yes, Folder will probably report this as news. Do it for the lollers.

I'd love to have my name immortalized by Folder, so I'm gonna drop a small hint. All I'm gonna say is ... Nintendo TS. THINK ABOUT IT. For more details, you're gonna have to Wait For Spaceworld!

 

[john tv]

Haha. I guess you did say means, huh? Well uh, I can't spill those either!

And of course it's hot!

 

[8bit]

I'd love to have my name immortalized by Folder, so I'm gonna drop a small hint. All I'm gonna say is ... Nintendo TS. THINK ABOUT IT. For more details, you're gonna have to Wait For Spaceworld!

Pshaw, you're trying to deliberately mislead the poor fellow. It's the QS and you know it.

 

[Folder]

so your speculation = breaking news? Bolded = what a lot of shit. You guys just write shit up. No conference and your sites already close to non-existent profile will just get even smaller

I get the impression you're a fan.
I'm a fan of you too. Tell me more about yourself. Age/location/job.
I'd be really interested to learn more about you.

 

[JackFrost2012]

Pshaw, you're trying to deliberately mislead the poor fellow. It's the QS and you know it.

No, it's the Nintendo SS - the Sephirotic Screen, with an array of 32 TFTs perfect for playing the Promethea videogame. Also WWII RTSes from the German side.

 

[Odnetnin]

come on.. even I know its the BS. They saw the prototype with the bazillion screens and Iwata loved it. Coming 200X.

more importantly: SPACEWORLD?~!!!?@!?@ Are they actually doing one this year? How long has it been since Nintendo did one

 

[JackFrost2012]

more importantly: SPACEWORLD?~!!!?@!?@ Are they actually doing one this year? How long has it been since Nintendo did one

No, there's no Spaceworld this year. But the new Nintendo machine will be revealed at Spaceworld nonetheless. Paradox? Hmm...

(No, the "T" in "TS" doesn't stand for "Triple"... Nintendo's Revolutionary new system is something more ... chronologically oriented.)

 

[Odnetnin]

No, there's no Spaceworld this year. But the new Nintendo machine will be revealed at Spaceworld nonetheless. Paradox? Hmm...

(No, the "T" in "TS" doesn't stand for "Triple"... Nintendo's Revolutionary new system is something more ... chronologically oriented.)

oh no teh sux?

shame about the spaceworld thing. They should never have let that event go.

 

[Brannon]

Nintendo Thirty-Two Sex!?!?!!?!

My God, it TOUCHES YOU BACK....

 

[Folder]

more importantly: SPACEWORLD?~!!!?@!?@ Are they actually doing one this year? How long has it been since Nintendo did one

The SpaceWorld dream is over. There is talk of a replacement event though, synchronised in three territories. Not as good tho IMO. They're also looking at running a roadshow program throughout the year.
Boo!

 

[Speevy]

Professor John Nash will need to decode this thread.

 

[JackFrost2012]

Professor John Nash will need to decode this thread.

I heard that the Apocrypha contain detailed Revolution specs. Or was that the Nintendo Revelation? ...anyways.

 

[Culex]

When was the last Space World? 2001? I always wondered why the show was never put up again.

Edit: Yay, I'm not banned anymore. Thanks mods!

 

[john tv]

 

[Folder]

When was the last Space World? 2001? I always wondered why the show was never put up again.

Edit: Yay, I'm not banned anymore. Thanks mods!

They showed Mario 128 (demo thing) and lifelike Zelda if I recall correctly.
Both came to nothing.

Irk!

 

[SantaC]

last space world was 2000 wasn't it?

 

[gofreak]

They showed Mario 128 (demo thing) and lifelike Zelda if I recall correctly.
Both came to nothing.

Irk!

No, that wasn't it. There was a spaceworld after that, 2001, when Mario Sunshine and the Wind Waker were shown first.

 

[john tv]

No, that wasn't it. There was a spaceworld after that, 2001, when Mario Sunshine and the Wind Waker were shown first.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/sw2001/index.html

 

[GaimeGuy]

Nintendo TS = Nintendo Titty Sex, fully endorsed by <Insert Pimp Yamauchi pic here>

 

[Folder]

Boy, did this thread go down hill...

 

[human5892]

I have to say, Folder, you're a damn good sport, whether you're a lying bastard or not.

 

[Scrow]

Sp0ng putting it on the line: Says DS=PDA and GBA 2=PSP like machine at E3

i've got to add my little stab at sp0ng too

putting it on the line? that implies they have a reputation to risk and we all know sp0ng's reputation...

 

[Deg]

putting it on the line? that implies they have a reputation to risk and we all know sp0ng's reputation...

Typical board stuff. Despite some website scompletely destroying their credibility numerous times forumites claim they still have rep. :lol

 

[jarrod]

It seems phased out as far as Nintendo is concerned (no new software being announced)....

I wouldn't say that... there's actually decent amount of upcoming software announced from Nintendo, especially for so early in the year...

America
-Donkey Kong Country 3 (Rare)
-Donkey Kong: King of Swing (Paon)
-Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones (IntSys)
-Mario Party Advance (Hudson)
-Mario Tennis Advance (Camelot)
-Pokemon Emerald (Game Freak)
-Wario Ware Twisted!
-Yoshi Topsy-Turvy (Artoon)

Japan
-1000-nen Kazoku
-Bura Bura Donkey Kong (Paon)
-Custom Robo Ace (Noise)
-Mario Tennis Advance (Camelot)
-Mother 3
-Nonono Puzzle Chairien (Creatures)
-Super Donkey Kong 3 (Rare)
-The Tower SP (Vivarium)

...internal R&D seems to have halted in favor of GC/DS certainly, but Nintendo's still working with partners to bring plenty of 1st party games to the platform. That's about triple the amount Microsoft has announced for Xbox. Not bad I'd say.

With the exclusion of Pokemon Emerald, I think it'll do better than any other upcoming GBA release. Other than that, there's Mother 3 (which is a bit of a wildcard). It's supposed to still be in development for the system, but I think we might see it for the first time in a long time at E3, but for the DS.

There was a new F-Zero game announced for the GBA a while back as well. The former Handheld Emperor can probably list these better than I can.

For 1st party stuff, Pokemon Emerald and DKC3 are going to be the big sellers. Mother 3 should do really well in Japan too (400-500k I bet). There's also plenty of high potential 3rd party titles coming though, Yu-Gi-OH! 2005, MegaMan Battle Network 5, MegaMan Zero 4, Dynatsy Warriors Advance, Dragon Ball RRAS, Harvest Moon 2, Riviera, etc.

After GP Legend bombed here, I doubt F-Zero Climax makes it over though. Too bad, as Climax is said to be a much better game and even adds a track builder... NOA should've just gone with that version after holding off so long. Hopefully there's an F-Zero X based DS game coming.

Also, they will have to contend with designing the console around the Gamecube controller. PSP had the good fortune of being based on a controller like the Dual Shock (good layout, good looks). I don't think Nintendo would want the GBA2 to look anything like the GC controller...

Er, PSP has more in common with the DC pad than any revision of the Dual Shock. In fact PSP losing a significant amount of functionality compared to DS2 is one of my bigger gripes with the machine.... in terms of capabalities and interface, it's more like a portable Dreamcast than a portable PS2.

 

[KyotoMecca]

The more I think about it the more this seems like bullshit. We have already know that Nintendo is planning a big revolution blowout at E3, why undercut that hype with a new Gameboy? Seems very unNintendo like to me.

You mean like when they unveiled GCN and GBA simultaneously at Spaceworld 2000?! :lol

 

[Crankenstein]

Er, PSP has more in common with the DC pad than any revision of the Dual Shock. In fact PSP losing a significant amount of functionality compared to DS2 is one of my bigger gripes with the machine.... in terms of capabalities and interface, it's more like a portable Dreamcast than a portable PS2.

Very true. A portable handheld will always lose functinality by the necessity to keep things small. The PSP is incapable of a PS2 experience for this reason, plus others, like screen size. Imagine VF on the PSP. It won't be a VF experience at all.

 

[StorablePrawn]

Spong, Spong, Spong... Your desperate attempts at getting the "biggest" and "best" stories have already been your undoing; why continue to eat your own words? Spong, you're hurting everybody around you. Especially yourself, honey. Please. Please, just stick to the best leads. You're contributing to the lowly stature of videogame journalism. Yes, honey, you are. I'm sorry. You've just lost all credibility. When the next big story does break, and you get your hands on it, nobody's going to believe you. I love you, Spong, but I don't think we can even be friends anymore.

 

[jarrod]

Very true. A portable handheld will always lose functinality by the necessity to keep things small. The PSP is incapable of a PS2 experience for this reason, plus others, like screen size. Imagine VF on the PSP. It won't be a VF experience at all.

Well, I wouldn't go that far... in fact I bet PSP could handle an excellent conversion of VF4. Hell, DC even had a decent version of VF4 up and running evidently.

 

[Rocket Punch]

You know, you are either on the camp of saying that the ds bombed and it is smart for Nintendo to do a next generation gameboy or on the camp of the guys who say that the DS is really the third pillar and it wasnt meant for current gamers. Either way you are a dumbass for buying the DS.

I'm calling you out because you're a moron of the third order.

For what it's worth, Matt has somewhat debunked the rumor on yesterday's mailbag.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

The following is from Gamesindustry.biz LINK HERE

A third version of Nintendo's Game Boy Advance may be shown off at this year's E3, according to a report from American Technology Research analyst P.J. McNealy, with an "SP" style revision of the existing hardware on the cards.

Meanwhile, Nintendo has distanced itself from a frenzied wave of Internet speculation claiming that the Japanese giant will be launching a next generation Game Boy later this year, saying that the rumours were "pulled out of the air".

A spokesman for Nintendo of Europe told GamesIndustry.biz this morning: "There is always speculation on what the next Game Boy will be, however, at this time there are no announcements about a new Game Boy SP product."

However, unofficially the Kyoto-based firm is expected to unveil a remodelled Game Boy Advance based on the existing technology at its traditional pre-E3 event.

At this stage no concrete details exist on what enhancements Nintendo will be making to the GBA, but it's expected that some of the add-ons released over the past year or so will be integrated into the remodelled console; namely the PlayYan multimedia capabilities that enable users to watch movies and listen to music on their GBA, as well as other obvious improvements such as the much missed headphone jack and, of course, wireless connectivity.

And it's on the latter point where things get potentially interesting, with the potential for Nintendo to extend its wireless download plans to the GBA, as well as include the GBA in its long-mooted online gaming plans. All of this remains in the realms of speculation, but the way is clear for Nintendo to truly extend the GBA lifespan well beyond what it otherwise might have been had it chosen to focus solely on the DS going forward.

To put the wild speculation about a next gen Game Boy console into context, the story was initially based upon a report released yesterday by American Technology Research analyst P.J. McNealy which pontificated on the likelihood of a new GBA SP being released in time for Christmas.

The report looked at the share performance of THQ and Activision, and the likely effect on trading a new GBA SP would have on them.

In turn, the report went on to list four bullet points why - in his opinion - Nintendo is likely to launch a new GBA SP, reasoning that Nintendo has averaged a new version of the GBA every two years, that the DS has not cannibalised GBA sales, that piracy concerns in Asia Pacific required a more secure version of GBA, and that - somewhat curiously - that a new GBA SP would be a "fun, new device while Sony focuses on the PSP and the expected launch of the Xbox 2".

McNealy guessed that the new GBA would be priced at around $99, fitting snugly between the DS at $149 and the old GBA SP at $49.

But nowhere in the report does McNealy suggest that Nintendo was readying a next generation Game Boy console - as, indeed, launching a next gen Game Boy having just enjoyed a successful DS launch worldwide would be a truly bizarre business decision for the Japanese giant.

Reports elsewhere talk of a "PR nightmare" for Nintendo, but it appears in this case that the only nightmare for Nintendo right now is having to deal with spurious stories "pulled out of the air" and the resulting deluge of phone calls from media outlets seeking some clarity on the issue.

The spokesman for Nintendo told us today: "It's a case of looking at this McNealy report and someone putting two and two together and coming up with five. McNealy's report is him putting two and two together and coming up with four. It's just his opinion, and not endorsed by Nintendo in any way."

An official Nintendo statement reacting to the reports also emerged this morning: "Game Boy Advance continues to be a shining star in the video game industry with more than 65.7 million units sold worldwide.

"In 2004 alone we sold 4 million Game Boy Advance SPs in Europe.

"Our newest hand-held game system, the Nintendo DS, has done extremely well since it launched in Japan and the US and similar success is expected when it launches on 11th March in Europe. Nintendo DS is on target to ship 6 million worldwide by March 31," the spokesman added.

 

[Kobun Heat]

Oh, Gamesindustry.biz! Now it's official.

By the by, I got this cheerful PM from Spongbob just now:

Big reveal and you eating my shorts
http://news.spong.com/x?art=8378

Fuck right off chap.

I'm not sure what's funnier, "eat my shorts" (curse you, El Barto!) or the fact that Spong, while claiming to have known for six months about a super-secret E3 project, has no idea what's going to go down in like... ten days.

 

[soundwave05]

I've been keen on the idea of mini-HDD based GBA for a while now, but I dunno ... I think Nintendo might be walking on some eggshells here with GBA SP 2, DS, and Game Boy Next all eventually coming.

Miyamoto did muse in an interview that the current GBA design might be able to be made even smaller though.

I'd like to see Nintendo form partnerships with Apple and Motorola and integrate the GBA chipset into the i-Pod and cell phones.

 

[Sgt. Killjoy]

I don't realy expect it to have a HDD, but maybe a flash drive of some sort. Seems more feasible and less costly.

 

[mpau25]

It'd be nice if this rumor was true, but I can't see Nintendo giving up on the DS so soon and don't think that Nintendo would believe it could support two different handhelds at the same time.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

Oh, Gamesindustry.biz! Now it's official.

If you mean officially a bogus rumor, I agree. Some of the people getting upset about these rediculous GBE rumors should be able to cope with a new SP revision with play-yan and wireless built in. Makes so much more sense.

As long as they keep the current SP form-factor, and throw in a DS-quality screen, I'd probably buy it myself.