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Space: The Final Frontier

Sinatar

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Alright I demand to be frozen via Cryogenics and not woken until it is full possible for me to hop on a ship and explore all this amazing shit for myself.

Seriously, knowing that as a species we won't ever venture out to the stars in my lifetime is wholly depressing.
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
Finalizing the Mission

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STS-123 mission specialist Mike Foreman helps to tie down the Orbiter Boom Sensor System on the International Space Station's S1 truss during the mission's final spacewalk on March 22. The structure at the end of the boom is a transmission device for laser imagery and is used when scanning the thermal protection system.
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
A View to Earth

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A camera on the International Space Station captured this image of the docked Space Shuttle Discovery's payload bay. There is a vacancy in the payload bay, as the Multi-Purpose Logistics Module Raffaello temporarily has been docked with the orbital outpost's Unity Node in order to accommodate the transfer of a large amount of supplies.
Just a Matter of Perception

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A close-up view of a portion of Space Shuttle Discovery’s underside is featured in this image photographed by Astronaut Stephen K. Robinson, STS-114 mission specialist, during the mission’s third session of extravehicular activities. Robinson's shadow is visible on the thermal protection tiles.
Flashback: America's First Spacewalk

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NASA Astronaut Ed White made history on June 3, 1965, when he floated out of the hatch of his Gemini 4 capsule into the void of space. The first American "spacewalk" -- or Extravehicular Activity (EVA) -- lasted 23 minutes, not nearly long enough for White. He later said the spacewalk was the most comfortable part of the mission, and said the order to end it was the "saddest moment" of his life.

White was attached to the capsule by a 25 foot umbilical cord. He initially used a gas powered gun held in his hand to maneuver. After the first three minutes the fuel ran out and White moved around by twisting his body and pulling on the cord.

This photograph of White's spacewalk was taken by Gemini 4 Commander James McDivitt, still inside the spacecraft.
Eagle's Pillar

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A detail of the Eagle Nebula shows a portion of a pillar of gas and dust in this photo from the Hubble Space Telescope. Light from nearby bright, hot, young stars is sculpting the cloud into intricate forms and causing the gas to glow.
Shuttle Meets Station

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The Shuttle Discovery and the STS-96 crew made history in May 1999 when they became the first crew and orbiter to visit the International Space Station. Here, the Aegean Sea is the back drop for mission specialist Tamara E. Jernigan as she handles the American-built crane, which she later helped to install on the Station during a May 30 spacewalk. Jernigan's feet are anchored to a mobile foot restraint connected to Discovery's Canadian-built robot arm.
Skylab Spacewalker

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Skylab 3 astronaut Owen Garriott spacewalks near the Apollo Telescope Mount on the space station in 1973. He had just deployed an experiment designed to collect interplanetary dust particles and study their impact.
The View from Lookout Point

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From a ridgeline vantage point overlooking slopes, valleys and plains, NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit has returned its latest color panorama of the Martian landscape. The approximately true color image shows a full 360-degree view from a site informally named "Larry's Lookout," about halfway up "Husband Hill." Spirit and its twin, Opportunity, successfully completed three-month primary missions a year ago. In extended missions since then, they have been exploring at increasing distances from their landing sites.
Io's Mountains at Sunset

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NASA's Galileo spacecraft captured this dramatic image of mountains on Jupiter's moon Io in February 2000. The image was taken when the sun was low in the sky, illuminating the scene from the left, so it reveals topographic details of Io's surface. A low slope, roughly 820 feet high, runs from the upper left toward the center of the image. Mongibello Mons, the jagged ridge at the left of the image, rises 23,000 feet above the plains of Io, higher than any mountain in North America.

Scientists believe that the mountains are formed when blocks of Io's crust are uplifted along thrust faults. Angular mountains are thought to be younger, while older mountains have more subdued topography, such as the rise near the top center of this image.
Phoenix: Blinded With Science

STS-118 Booster Camera Launch Views

3, 2, 1, Liftoff!

Constellation Lunar Mission Animation

Future Spacecraft Goes for a Spin

Phoenix Headed for Mars
 

fallout

Member
I love that shot of Io. It's such a cool moon. It has volcanoes cause by the tidal forces of Jupiter. It's literally being torn inside out on a regular basis by the planet.

Unlike the Earth and the Moon, Io's main source of internal heat comes from the dissipation of tidal forces generated by Jupiter's gravity pull, rather than radioactive isotope decay. Such heating is dependent on Io's distance from Jupiter, its orbital eccentricity, the composition of its interior, and its physical state. Its Laplace-resonant orbit with Europa and Ganymede maintains Io's eccentricity and prevents tidal dissipation within Io from circularizing its orbit. The eccentricity leads to vertical differences in Io's tidal bulge of as much as 100 m (330 ft). The friction produced in Io's interior due to the varying tidal pull from Jupiter between the periapsis and apoapsis points in Io's orbit is enough to cause significant tidal heating within Io's interior and creating a significant amount of melt. This heat is then released from the interior in the form of volcanic activity and generates its high heat flow (global total: 0.6-1.6×1014 W). Models of its orbit suggest that the amount of tidal heating within Io changes with time, and that the current heat flow is not representative of the long-term average.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanism_on_Io
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
Galaxy Wars: M81 versus M82

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On the left, surrounded by blue spiral arms, is spiral galaxy M81. On the right marked by red gas and dust clouds, is irregular galaxy M82. This stunning vista shows these two mammoth galaxies locked in gravitational combat, as they have been for the past billion years. The gravity from each galaxy dramatically affects the other during each hundred million-year pass. Last go-round, M82's gravity likely raised density waves rippling around M81, resulting in the richness of M81's spiral arms. But M81 left M82 with violent star forming regions and colliding gas clouds so energetic the galaxy glows in X-rays. In a few billion years only one galaxy will remain.
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FIGHT!
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
Station, Moon and Earth

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Framed by components of the International Space Station, a full moon is visible in this view above Earth's horizon and airglow. This image was taken during the STS-123 mission while the space shuttle Endeavour was docked with the station for a 16-day mission.
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
I don't have the science channel. You in the UK?

edit: heh you said est so you are in the US. But yeah, I don't have that channel :(
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
The NGC 3576 Nebula

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An intriguing and beautiful nebula, NGC 3576 drifts through the Sagittarius arm of our spiral Milky Way Galaxy. Within the region, episodes of star formation are thought to contribute to the complex and suggestive shapes. Powerful winds from the nebula's embedded, young, massive stars shape the looping filaments. The dramatic false-color image also highlights the contributions of hydrogen, sulfur, and oxygen, energized by intense ultraviolet radiation, to the nebular glow. But the glow also silhouettes dense clouds of dust and gas. For example, the two condensing dark clouds near the top of the picture offer potential sites for the formation of new stars. NGC 3576 itself is about 100 light-years across and 9,000 light-years away in the southern constellation of Carina, not far on the sky from the famous Eta Carinae Nebula. Near the left edge of the picture is NGC 3603, a much larger but more distant star forming region.
 

Hootie

Member
I NEED the Science Channel, but I don't think I'll be getting Digital Cable for awhile.

I guess I'm happy with my Discovery Channel and History Channel for now, though.
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
Portrait

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Astronaut Robert L. Behnken used a digital camera to take this self-protrait during a spacewalk. Also visible in the visor's reflections are components of the station, the docked space shuttle Endeavour and a blue and white portion of Earth.

During the nearly 7-hour spacewalk, Behnken and astronaut Rick Linnehan, installed a spare-parts platform and tool-handling assembly for the Special Purpose Dextrous Manipulator also known as Dextre. Among other tasks, they also and calibrated Dextre's end effector and attached critical spare parts to an external stowage platform. The new robotic system was activated on a power and data grapple fixture located on the Destiny laboratory on flight day nine.
Mars' Columbia Hills

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Sulfur-rich rocks in the "Columbia Hills" on Mars stand out in bright blue in this false-color image from the Spirit rover. Sprit used its rock abrasion tool, or "RAT" to grind a hole in the rock, nicknamed "Peace" in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The rock's high sulfur content and softness are probably evidence of past alteration by water.
Lunar Salute

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Apollo 15 Commander Dave Scott salutes the American flag at the the Hadley-Apennine lunar landing site. The Lunar Module "Falcon" is partially visible on the right.
Clouds of Neptune

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This Voyager 2 high resolution color image provides obvious evidence of vertical relief in Neptune's bright cloud streaks. These clouds were observed at a latitude of 29 degrees north near Neptune's east terminator, the "line" on a planet where daylight meets darkness.

The resolution of this image is 6.8 miles per pixel. The width of the cloud streaks range from 31 to 124 miles, and their shadow widths range from 18 to 31 miles. Cloud heights appear to be around 31 miles.
Global Callisto in Color

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Bright scars on a darker surface testify to a long history of impacts on Jupiter's moon Callisto in this image of Callisto from NASA's Galileo spacecraft.

The picture, taken in May 2001, is the only complete global color image of Callisto obtained by Galileo, which began orbiting Jupiter in 1995. Of Jupiter's four largest moons, Callisto orbits farthest from the giant planet.

Callisto's surface is uniformly cratered but is not uniform in color or brightness. Scientists believe the brighter areas are mainly ice and the darker areas are highly eroded, ice-poor material.
 
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Dextre, the ISS' new robot. Designed to replace some routine space-walks (like changing batteries):

Dextre resembles a headless torso fitted with two extremely agile 3 m-long arms. The 3.5 m long body pivots at the "waist". The body has a grapple fixture at one end that can be grasped by the larger Space Station Arm, Canadarm2 so that the SPDM can be positioned at the various Orbital Replacement Unit (ORU) worksites around the Space Station. The other end of the body has an end effector virtually identical to that of Canadarm2, so that the SPDM can be stored on Space Station grapple fixtures or can be used as an extension to the larger arm.
The two SPDM arms each have seven offset joints allowing the arm the same flexibility of motion as the Canadarm2 with a greater precision. At the end of each of these arms is a system called the Orbital Replacement Unit/Tool Changeout Mechanism (OTCM). It has built-in grasping jaws, a retractable socket drive, a monochrome TV camera, lights, and an umbilical connector that can provide power, data, and video to/from a payload.
The lower body of Dextre has a pair of orientable colour TV cameras with lights, a platform for stowing ORUs, and a tool holster. The tool holster is equipped with three different tools used to perform various tasks around the Space Station.
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
Across the Universe

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How far can you see? Even the faintest stars visible to the eye are merely hundreds or thousands of light-years distant, all well within our own Milky Way Galaxy. Of course, if you know where to look you can also spot the Andromeda Galaxy as a pale, fuzzy cloud, around 2.5 million light-years away. But staring toward the northern constellation Bootes on March 19th, even without binoculars or telescope you still could have witnessed a faint, brief, flash of light from a gamma-ray burst. The source of that burst has been discovered to lie over halfway across the Universe at a distance of about 7.5 billion light-years. Now holding the distinction of the most distant object that could be seen by the unaided eye and the intrinsically brightest object ever detected, the cosmic explosion is estimated to have been over 2.5 million times more luminous than the brightest known supernova. The monster burst was identified and located by the orbiting Swift satellite, enabling rapid distance measurements and follow-up observations by large ground-based telescopes. The fading afterglow of the gamma-ray burster, cataloged as GRB080319B, is shown in these two panels in X-rays (left) and ultraviolet light (right).
The N44 Complex

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A truly giant complex of emission nebulae, N44 is about 1,000 light-years across. It shines in southern skies as a denizen of our neighboring galaxy, the Large Magellanic Cloud, 170,000 light-years away. Winds and intense radiation from hot, young, luminous stars in N44 excite and sculpt filaments and streamers of the glowing nebular gas. But supernovae - the death explosions of the massive short lived stars - have also likely contributed to the region's enormous, blown-out shapes. The cluster of young stars seen near the center lies in a superbubble nearly 250 light-years across. This detailed, false-color view of the intricate structures codes emission from hydrogen, oxygen, and sulfur in shades of blue and green.
 

Teknoman

Member
Also if you dont know your local radio station that broadcasts it...just check out the affiliates list, and stream it from their website. Just a heads up.
 
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Colliding galaxies NGC 2207 and IC 2163
NGC 2207 is in the process of colliding and merging with IC 2163. But unlike the Antennae or the Mice Galaxies; they're still two separate spiral galaxies. They are only in the first step of colliding and merging. Soon they will collide looking a bit more like the Mice. In about a billion years time they will merge and become an elliptical galaxy.


Heh, soon


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Mice Galaxies

Think of this. In the far outcrops of the nebulae there still could be countless of star systems with planets that are able to support life.
Also, check out the other galaxies on the background of this event. Puts thing even more into perspective.

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Antennae Galaxies
 

fallout

Member
Colliding galaxies are so cool. There are a bunch of neat simulation programs out there (just do a search for "galaxy collision simulator" or something on your favourite internet search engine). I think what's really fascinating about them is that they can lead to star formation, where certain gases collide from each galaxy.

Teknoman said:
Isnt the whole "Galactic battle dance" supposed to happen with us and Andromeda eventually?
Yep! Below is a video of it. I used to have an animated GIF of it, but I can't seem to find it. Interestingly enough, because the distances between stars are so great, there aren't any star collisions or anything.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dJRc37D2ZZY
 
Teknoman said:
Isnt the whole "Galactic battle dance" supposed to happen with us and Andromeda eventually?

Afaik yes.




Pictures like this make my mind wonder. I know the bright spots are really turbulent areas with colliding stars and what not. But what about the outer regions? I can imagine that many star systems weren't even influenced by this huge collision.

Also, imagine being in one of these unaffected areas. Knowing that these occurrences span billions of years, I can imagine normal life would go on like it would be now. Would we even know what was going on?
 

Macam

Banned
Massive Job Cuts in Space Program Likely

MIAMI — More than 8,000 NASA contractor jobs in the nation's manned space program could be eliminated after the space shuttle program is shut down in 2010, the agency said Tuesday.

The number of civil servants is expected to remain roughly the same, but dramatic job cuts are possible among private contractors as NASA transitions to the Constellation program, which is developing the next-generation vehicle and rockets to go to the moon and later to Mars.

Constellation isn't scheduled to begin flights until 2015.


Bill Gerstenmaier, an associate administrator for the space agency, cautioned that the estimates of job losses were preliminary and don't take into account numerous factors of potential workload. "Don't overreact to these numbers," he said.

NASA acknowledged job losses could fluctuate depending on who's occupying the White House next year and their support for space exploration.

The bleakest forecast was issued for the flagship Kennedy Space Center at Cape Canaveral, Fla., where just 1,600 to 2,300 employees were expected to remain in 2011, a cut of up to 80 percent from its current 8,000 workers. The Michoud Assembly Facility near New Orleans was forecast to lose as many as 1,300 of its 1,900 jobs.

"Our greatest challenge over the next several years will be managing this extremely talented, experienced and geographically dispersed workforce as we transition from operating the space shuttle to utilizing the International Space Station," the report said.

Nationally, NASA said the number of full-time civil servants in its manned space program would fall to about 4,100 in 2011, a loss of about 600 jobs from this year. Including outside contractors, the number of jobs would fall to an estimated 12,500 to 13,800. About 21,000 are currently employed.

NASA said it could be more than a year before it has more dependable job forecasts.

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist said the state was committed to trying to blunt the impact of the job losses with an aggressive effort to lure new contractors to the area that would work with future NASA flights, as well as private launches. In all, he said the state was trying to attract more than 50 space-related firms to the state.

"This rapid shift is opening doors for new companies and technologies that are blurring the previous separations between aviation and spaceflight," Crist said.

Tracy Yates, a spokeswoman for United Space Alliance, the largest space shuttle contractor, said the new report came as no surprise. "It's no secret here that we will
 
Macam said:

This is what happens when you task NASA with gargantuan tasks and they give them a budget of .05% of the GDP.

The return on investment in NASA has historically been pretty damn amazing, why doesn't anyone give enough of a shit to vote them some money?

Then we blow 500 billion on the DoD (not counting the wars). I'd rather have humans in space than twenty squadrons of F22's who have no one to fight.

It's my only disagreement with Obama.

MeowMeow said:
Have they discovered other earth like planets yet? :/

To the best of my knowledge, no. Not until Spitzer and possibly the ESA's Herchel will we be able to detect planets that small in the right orbit. Detecting planets via gravitational wobble is really damn difficult.
 

fallout

Member
AndersTheSwede said:
To the best of my knowledge, no. Not until Spitzer and possibly the ESA's Herchel will we be able to detect planets that small in the right orbit. Detecting planets via gravitational wobble is really damn difficult.
Yeah, it's been a very limited tech so far. Most of the planets are bigger than Jupiter and orbiting closer than Mercury. Still, that's the progress of science! Baby steps with the occasional wall.

For those that are unaware, detecting planets with gravitational wobble works because of tidal forces. Basically, the Sun is being tugged back and forth by the planets and this motion is detectable by sensitive instruments. This is actually similar to how Neptune was discovered. After the discovery of Uranus by William Herschel and his amazing optics, the wobble of Saturn's orbit was finally explained. Then, they observed that Uranus had a wobble to it that could only be explained by another planet. A couple of mathematicians set out to predict its orbit. Both managed to do it independently of each other, but the French guy actually discovered it first because of some politics within the Royal Astronomical Observatory.

If you'd like to learn more, see if you can find a copy of The Neptune File or The Discovery of Neptune.
 

Hootie

Member
AndersTheSwede said:
Then we blow 500 billion on the DoD (not counting the wars). I'd rather have humans in space than twenty squadrons of F22's who have no one to fight.

It's my only disagreement with Obama.

Wait what? He doesn't support funding NASA/space programs? Fuck.
 

Teknoman

Member
Hootie said:
Wait what? He doesn't support funding NASA/space programs? Fuck.

Well that sucks...how did I even miss that? Then again, do any of the candidates even lean towards NASA in the slightest?
 

Walshicus

Member
It's so old!

Better, faster, cheaper please.
I do stats and stuff for Virgin Holidays, and managed to catch some guy on the phone ask one of our switchboard staff if he could book a package holiday with Virgin Galactic... cracked me up.
 

Mash

Member
Thread of the century (so far at least). Years of reading and watching the work of Carl Sagan really convinces me that space exploration can potentially unify mankind.

I'm currently watching From Earth to the Moon too and it's great so far, as expected from HBO.
 
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The famous Horsehead Nebula in Orion is not alone. A deep exposure shows that the dark familiar shaped indentation, visible just below center, is part of a vast complex of absorbing dust and glowing gas. To bring out details of the Horsehead's pasture, amateur astronomers at the Star Shadow Remote Observatory in New Mexico, USA fixed a small telescope on the region for over seven hours filtering out all but a very specific color of red light emitted by hydrogen. They then added the image to a full color frame taken over three hours. The resulting spectacular picture details an intricate tapestry of gaseous wisps and dust-laden filaments that were created and sculpted over eons by stellar winds and ancient supernovas. The Horsehead Nebula lies 1,500 light years distant towards the constellation of Orion. Two stars from the Orion's Belt can be found in the above image.
 
It must be something to stand next to the crawler as it transports the space shuttle...that thing is huge. According to Wikipedia, it weighs 6 million pounds and is 131 by 114 feet.
 

Hootie

Member
Any updates on the Large Hadron Collider? Isn't it supposed to be used in a month or two for the first time?
 

fallout

Member
Hootie said:
Any updates on the Large Hadron Collider? Isn't it supposed to be used in a month or two for the first time?
Assuming everything goes well, you probably won't be hearing about any results for a few years. Which I'm sure will be heavily debated.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
fallout said:
Assuming everything goes well, you probably won't be hearing about any results for a few years. Which I'm sure will be heavily debated.


And if everything goes wrong, you will watch the Mall shake itself apart and be like, "oh noes, a strangelet!"


That would be very strange. What if it turns out Gamma Ray Bursters are intelligent species testing Hadron Colliders for the first time?
 
fallout said:
Assuming everything goes well, you probably won't be hearing about any results for a few years. Which I'm sure will be heavily debated.

Of course, this seems pretty darn likely as well:

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That, or it'll manage to obliterate the entire universe (or maybe just Switzerland).
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
Mysterious White Rock Fingers on Mars

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What caused this unusual white rock formation on Mars? Intrigued by the possibility that they could be salt deposits left over as an ancient lakebed dried-up, detailed studies of these fingers now indicate that this is not correct. The light material appears to have eroded away from the surrounding area, indicating a very low-density composition, possibly consistent with volcanic ash or windblown dust. The stark contrast between the rocks and the surrounding sand is compounded by the sand's unusual darkness. This picture was taken from the Mars Express spacecraft currently orbiting Mars. Planetary scientist Emily Lakdawalla, among others, has followed her curiosity about this unusual Martian landform into a fascinating investigation that is eloquently described in the Planetary Society Weblog. The mysterious white rock spans about 15 kilometers across inside a larger crater that spans about 100 kilometers.
Layers in Aureum Chaos

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At first glance these undulating shapes in shades of blue might look like waves on an ocean. Seen here in a false-color image from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter's HiRISE camera, they are actually layered rock outcrops found in Aureum Chaos. The larger Aureum Chaos region is a chaotic jumble of eroded terrain in the eastern part of Mars' immense canyon Valles Marineris. Distinct layers composing these outcrops could have been laid down by dust or volcanic ash settling from the atmosphere, sand carried by martian winds, or sediments deposited on the floor of an ancient lake. This close-up view of the otherwise red planet spans about 4 kilometers, a distance you might walk over flat ground in less than an hour.
Close Up of Enceladus' Tiger Stripes

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Could life exist beneath Enceladus? A recent flyby of Saturn's icy moon has bolstered this fascinating idea. Two years ago, images from the robotic Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn led astronomers to the undeniable conclusion that Saturn's moon Enceladus was spewing fountains of gas and ice crystals through cracks in its surface dubbed tiger stripes. Last month, Cassini dove through some of these plumes and determined that they contained water vapor laced with small amounts of methane as well as simple and complex organic molecules. Surprisingly, the plumes of Enceladus appear similar in make-up to many comets. What's more, the temperature and density of the plumes indicate they might have originated from a warmer source -- possibly a liquid source -- beneath the surface. A liquid water sea containing organic molecules is a good place to look for life. Pictured above is a vertically exaggerated close-up of some long, venting tiger stripes. The computer composite was generated from images and shadows taken during recent Cassini flybys. Nine more flybys of Enceladus by Cassini are planned.
 
Hootie said:
Wait what? He doesn't support funding NASA/space programs? Fuck.

He wants to cut funding for NASA in order to fund his education programs, leading to an estimated delay of 5 years for Ares. This would mean that after the Shuttle is retired in 2010 we wouldn't have human space flight capabilities until 2020 (at current funding levels there is already a 5 year gap), and would have to hitch a ride to the ISS on Russian vehicles. Kinda galling since we put up most of the money to build the station and can't even get to it. And this says nothing about what would happen to the moon plans.

But since no one gives a flying fuck about NASA no one in the media has been able to pin him down on exactly what parts of the program he would or wouldn't cut. He could keep Ares 1 and Orion but kill Ares V (heavy lift moon rocket.)

Here's the best quote that we have from him:

During the question-and-answer portion of an event at a recreational center here, Obama was asked about the nation’s space program.

“I grew up on Star Trek,” Obama said. “I believe in the final frontier.”

But Obama said he does not agree with the way the space program is now being run and thinks funding should be trimmed until the mission is clearer.

“NASA has lost focus and is no longer associated with inspiration,” he said. “I don’t think our kids are watching the space shuttle launches. It used to be a remarkable thing. It doesn’t even pass for news anymore.”

I don't really see the logic in restoring the importance of NASA by cutting it's funds. Education reform is very important, but there are far better agencies to cut funds to then NASA.
 

Karakand

Member
AndersTheSwede said:
Then we blow 500 billion on the DoD (not counting the wars). I'd rather have humans in space than twenty squadrons of F22's who have no one to fight.
I'd gladly get out of everyone's hair if we had a space frontier. I come from a long line of vagabonds and I've got the wanderlust with nowhere particularly appealing left to wander to on this rock.

But noooooooooooooooooooooooo.

I do appreciate defense spending though as someone that stands to inherit lots of Boeing stock though. GIVE ME MY CAKE AND LET ME EAT IT TOO.
 

Hootie

Member
AndersTheSwede said:
He wants to cut funding for NASA in order to fund his education programs, leading to an estimated delay of 5 years for Ares. This would mean that after the Shuttle is retired in 2010 we wouldn't have human space flight capabilities until 2020 (at current funding levels there is already a 5 year gap), and would have to hitch a ride to the ISS on Russian vehicles. Kinda galling since we put up most of the money to build the station and can't even get to it. And this says nothing about what would happen to the moon plans.

But since no one gives a flying fuck about NASA no one in the media has been able to pin him down on exactly what parts of the program he would or wouldn't cut. He could keep Ares 1 and Orion but kill Ares V (heavy lift moon rocket.)

Here's the best quote that we have from him:



I don't really see the logic in restoring the importance of NASA by cutting it's funds. Education reform is very important, but there are far better agencies to cut funds to then NASA.

Ehh, damnit. DAMNIT.
 

fallout

Member
Bah. NASA has its problems, but Obama's ideas of what is inspirational are completely off the mark. You can only get the public involved so much. Do you know when people stopped giving a shit about the Apollo missions? Apollo 12. Yeah, the mission immediately following the first landing on the moon was met with low ratings and people were heavily questioning it. Apollo 13 was only deemed as interesting because of the harrowing experience and miraculous success of the mission. Apollo 14 then fell off the map.

If anything, NASA needs to stop worrying about kids watching the moon landings and just do their damn work. I mean, we still fight wars, which are incredibly unpopular and expensive. They receive funding. Why can't the exploration of space be put in the same boat?

Windu said:
Mysterious White Rock Fingers on Mars

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If I didn't know better, I'd say it was flipping us off!
 
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