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Spain to suspend Catalonia's autonomy
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Randomizer123454444
Member
Uff, let's hope we manage to get trough this with minimal suffering.
About as likely as US nuking North Korea in next 24 hours.
About as likely as US nuking North Korea in next 24 hours.
HarryHengst
Member
Madrid shows it's fascist history has never left.
Grow up.
What does this suspension mean, realistically? What actions can/will Madrid take against Barcelona?
Gaffer shows their love of hyperbole is still strong
The autogovern of the region will be taken by the state (in USA terms: the state government will be disolved)
This is some terrible statement to make in the face of events
Randomizer123454444
Member
Can you define how Spain is repressing Catalonia? I haven't really found any other explanation than "it's their right to be independent".
And that sounds like the 20%, that lost the vote to 80%, are going to do whatever they want anyway, ignoring the whole point of democracy.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
while civil war is hyperbole actions like that invite civil disobedience.
Taking away autonomy only gives Puidgedemont more fuel.
Taking away autonomy only gives Puidgedemont more fuel.
llien
Member
This definitely won't go well, but it was clear that shit happened from the moment someone signed "postponed independence declaration".
mocolostrocolos
Member
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
Civil disobedience in 3... 2... 1...
That comment proving you don't know shit about the current situation in Spain goes amazingly well with your avatar. Disgraceful.
Except you don't know that and I don't know that and things could easily change before next week.
As things stand right now and after several warnings, the Spanish government is threatening to prevent a declaration of independence by taking direct control of the region temporarily and as soon as this Saturday. That's all we really know. Whether the Catalonian government is to be disolved is very doubtful. What measures are to be taken exactly is unknown to both us and the Government, which is in meetings right now with the opposition in order to decide that.
I mean yeah, we dont really know what 155 really means, just that the auto govern of thw region will be at least paused if it happens (and may likely happen next week).
Agreed. I knew Rajoy was an idiot, but he really has fucked this whole thing up colossally.
Charles Brandon
Member
Puigdemont showed weakness and this is the result. Both sides in this are shit.
Puigdemont should never have gone ahead with the vote if he wasn't prepared to stand behind it. He should have demanded and obtained further powers and/or an official referendum or actually declared independence or not bothered starting a fight he couldn't finish. Now he just looks like a fool.
Rajoy had the opportunity to settle this with a few small concessions so that everyone can save face but instead he's gone in completely the other direction and is essentially forcing Puigdemont and the separatists to defy him.
That's what it looks like to me, watching from afar, anyway.
Puigdemont should never have gone ahead with the vote if he wasn't prepared to stand behind it. He should have demanded and obtained further powers and/or an official referendum or actually declared independence or not bothered starting a fight he couldn't finish. Now he just looks like a fool.
Rajoy had the opportunity to settle this with a few small concessions so that everyone can save face but instead he's gone in completely the other direction and is essentially forcing Puigdemont and the separatists to defy him.
That's what it looks like to me, watching from afar, anyway.
This is what I fear, as someone living here. It's going to be a total shitshow.
I don't know we both the non-independentists and independentists are going to live together in Catalonia. Independentists have seen their republic too close (something that some people have been wanting since forevers, including their parents,grandparents etc...) and now they see Spain taking their govern.
I mean Spain is doing what they have to do but this won't be easy at all for the people living here, no matter what you think about the "procès".
Puigdemont has always been an independentists, even as a kid. But I think when he was ready to do he saw (or more like some members of his party made him see) the dangers of a Catalonian independence (especially economics) so he didn't go all in for the UDI.
Rajoy is a braindead human so you can't expect him to do anything good out of this mess other that follow what his papers says.
I think Rajoy is making a mistake by doing this with nothing changing on the Catalonia's side after the non-declaration of the independence.
On the other hand the usage of "fascist" and "repression" is ridiculous when the Spanish government has the right to do so according to the Constitution.
Hopefully this won't escalate into violence.
On the other hand the usage of "fascist" and "repression" is ridiculous when the Spanish government has the right to do so according to the Constitution.
Hopefully this won't escalate into violence.
You can't really fault the Spanish government for handling this illegaly. If anything they are being so legalistic that they find themselves unable and unwilling to compromise, and that is certainly the main issue on their part.
Wtf is this
I dunno, but this Twitter account is a riot: https://twitter.com/OK_Comrade
KarneeKarnay
Member
All the previous issues aside what was Spain meant to do here?
The Catalan PM declared independence. Then asked parliament for a delay. Spain rightfully demanded to know what the hell was going on. Time was given. Nothing happened.
It's important to note that the Catalan Parliament has not been disbanded. That's probably the smartest thing Spain has done since this tarted.
The Catalan PM declared independence. Then asked parliament for a delay. Spain rightfully demanded to know what the hell was going on. Time was given. Nothing happened.
It's important to note that the Catalan Parliament has not been disbanded. That's probably the smartest thing Spain has done since this tarted.
Jezbollah
Member
You're absolutely correct. Legally the Spanish government hasn't done anything wrong.
Crow Pudding
Member
The spanish gobernment is acting according the legality but it doesn't mean they are acting correctly or even getting close to fix this problem.
This will never end until a constitutional reform is achieved, a new territorial revision plan and end the "coffee for all" from the Transition period.
I never claimed such a thing.
deathkiller
Member
We don't even know if it will be disbanded or not. Some on both sides expect things to be progressive so the 155 might be as little as just taking over the Catalan Police force for now.
Can you shut up if you just want to driveby and make stupid comments like that?
Crow Pudding
Member
At the end the 155 will just derive to a new election period where the pro independence parties will gain with more margin and all will start again.
Charles Brandon
Member
It's a shame then that he or his party didn't realise that before they set all this in motion. I get that they probably didn't anticipate the reaction of the banks and large businesses but it was a bad plan, poorly executed. His weakness has embarrassed the region.
Jezbollah
Member
The latter. To Catalonia.
Wafflecakes
Member
Yes, but not really equivalents since the US has a federal system while Spain has a unitary government.
I mean the Spanish government is not purely unitary as some tasks are given to the autonomies (with some autonomies having more tasks). I just thought it was a decent enough equivalent.
Facism
Gold Member
Yeh. Look how Cyprus went. Turkish army had to get involved to stop that.
Wafflecakes
Member
That is what a unitary government is... a government where powers are delegated from the national to the local.
By definition this also gives them the power to take them away, which is the power that the US gov doesn't have built in.
hans_castorp
Member
Which is a mistake. Things like Health or Education should be taken back. Not just from Catalunya but from all autonomies.
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
Second. It's a provisional measure, only with the Autonomous Region that is acting outside the rule of law.
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