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spanish king to chavez shut up
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chavez is ridiculous.
Giganticus
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Chavez is a tool.
However, so is the Spanish King. One of the few countries in Europe where you get jailtime for insulting the country's Royal family.
However, so is the Spanish King. One of the few countries in Europe where you get jailtime for insulting the country's Royal family.
Suburban Cowboy
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its the same in england isnt?Giganticus said:
Barbacoatl
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Respect the king, bitch.
Respect the king, bitch.
No...Suburban Cowboy said:
I mean it's not like everyone in the media wasn't calling Diana a stupid jumped up trollop or Prince Phillip a racist bastard. Hell our royals are figures of ridicule, except perhaps for the Queen who does nothing to warrant hate OR love, except perhaps sponge a cosy life on our tax money.
Suburban Cowboy
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oh? when those rumors came out about charles being gay/bisexual I heard multiple times that english reporters were feeding the news to american outlets because it was illegal for them to print anything negative about the royal family.Sir Fragula said:
I don't understand the animosity towards Chavez. What basis do all of you have for this hatred against his government?
Is it the fact that he's a lower-middle class peasant who was democratically elected by the majority of Venezuelans? Is it that we could never have such a democratic president? Ours must go to Yale, join some secret society, and have ties to the Bin Laden family.
Is it the fact that his administration persists despite George W. Bush's attempt to stage a coup d'etat in 2002? Chavez returned to office after millions of Venezuelans protested in Caracas. In the States we rally in protest, but it isnt FOR our president.
Or is it the fact that Chavez trumpets Noam Chomsky at the UN, showing that at least some of our world leaders are well read. I wonder if Bush even knows who Chomsky is.
Or is it the fact that you have Chavez because you're told to - by the same imbeciles, liars and criminals who told you that Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons?
Look - I'm not supporting Chavez's socialist policies. But I do support his government, which was democratically elected. I'm against the massive propaganda campaign targetting his government, trying to paint it as some sort of Marxist-Leninist revival (dictatorship, etc., etc.). It's simply ridiculous.
I can see legitimate reasons to disagree with Chavez's policies - but in my mind, we would be so lucky to have him as our president.
Is it the fact that he's a lower-middle class peasant who was democratically elected by the majority of Venezuelans? Is it that we could never have such a democratic president? Ours must go to Yale, join some secret society, and have ties to the Bin Laden family.
Is it the fact that his administration persists despite George W. Bush's attempt to stage a coup d'etat in 2002? Chavez returned to office after millions of Venezuelans protested in Caracas. In the States we rally in protest, but it isnt FOR our president.
Or is it the fact that Chavez trumpets Noam Chomsky at the UN, showing that at least some of our world leaders are well read. I wonder if Bush even knows who Chomsky is.
Or is it the fact that you have Chavez because you're told to - by the same imbeciles, liars and criminals who told you that Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons?
Look - I'm not supporting Chavez's socialist policies. But I do support his government, which was democratically elected. I'm against the massive propaganda campaign targetting his government, trying to paint it as some sort of Marxist-Leninist revival (dictatorship, etc., etc.). It's simply ridiculous.
I can see legitimate reasons to disagree with Chavez's policies - but in my mind, we would be so lucky to have him as our president.
Goldrusher
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itxaka said:
:lol
Dies Iræ said:
Dude, have you seen what has been happening in Venezuela? He's turning a democratic country (ironically, what elected him) and turning it into a communist country. He's becoming a dictator (what happened with the TV station is an example). Chavez is leading all this... he's a grade A asshole.
titiklabingapat
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Chavez is a tool but the spanish king has no right. He has no power and Venezuela is no longer a Spanish colony, so stfu too, you powerless royalty.
His ancestors were probably the reason why so many former Spanish colonies are fucked up to this day.
His ancestors were probably the reason why so many former Spanish colonies are fucked up to this day.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I find it funny that a fascist (Chavez) attempts to slander someone by calling them a "fascist". It is like Chavez does not understand the concept of irony. Another weirdo going around accusing people of being the very thing he is as if people are not smart enough see through that thin smoke screen.
Dies Iræ said:
AHem, just some quick links:
http://news.google.com.pr/news/url?...e/oilRpt/idUKN1040310420071110&cid=1122934727
http://news.google.com.pr/news/url?...tant.com/2007/7143/714303.html&cid=1123363192
http://news.google.com.pr/news/url?...tics.org/archives/2007/11/09/125201.php&cid=0
http://news.google.com.pr/news/url?...ain.cu/2007/1109fotosfidel.htm&cid=1123414287 :lol :lol :lol
Those are just some quick examples that people inside the country are noticing the stuff he's doing. Closing TV stations on a whim is just the beginning, soon it will be a Cuba all over again where people can't even browse the internet. Just search Venezuela news, you will find some stuff to keep you reading. If Chavez stays in Venezuela, the country is going downhill faster than it is.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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Jacobi said:
For years the US paid billions so that millions could live on welfare. Yet today the UK still pays billions just to support one family. And the sad fact is that the royal family behaves no better than stereotypical degenerates. I find this humorous. Its like every society has it hicks.
Relix said:
wow, that´s not biased at all, blogcritics and on the "opinion" section and starts with:
the other articles...meh.
First one: so the opposition marches agaist the president. They aren´t called opposition for nothing you know.
All of them: CTRL+F "communism" no results found - CTRL+F "socialist" results found
There is a diference between communism and socialist.
Lo-Volt said:
The enabling law was passed by a VOTE in the Venezuelan National Assembly. It lasts for 18 months. Chavez has already had the enabling law twice before and has never abused it. He's the FIFTH president to use it. Moreover, it's enshrined in the 1961 CONSTITUTION. So it's entirely CONSTITUTIONAL, with past PRECEDENT, and it was VOTED for by those ELECTED by the people.
He last used it in 2001 to forcibly kick out US oil corporations so that he could nationalize Venezuela's oil and return the profits to his people. What a horrible dictator.
Here are some of the restrictions on the enabling law:
- He's bound to govern within the limits of the law under the provisions of the 1999 Constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.
- He has no power to harm civil or human rights
- He's restricted to areas authorized by the National Assembly.
- He'll address only internal areas unrelated to relations with other countries.
- He has no authority to expropriate private property nor can he.
- The democratically elected National Assembly can change or rescind decree-passed laws by majority vote. Chavez's 18 month authority doesn't override or interfere with citizen, judiciary or National Assembly "check and balancing" of presidential powers.
- The Venezuelan Constitution empowers the people to rescind all laws by popular referendum if 10% or more registered voters request a referendum vote be held, and for laws passed by decree if only 5% want it.
What a horrible dictator.
Now, let's take a brief moment to look at George:
Bush's own 'executive order' to authorize his permanent 'Unitary Executive Power' gives him the right to suspend the constitution and declare martial law should a 'national emergency' (like another 9/11) warrant it, at his discretion. Furthermore, under martial law he can declare whomever he wants an 'unlawful enemy combatant' thus removing all of their rights under international law.
Now, that's one hell of a dictator if you ask me.
You know I was feeling fucking lazy while linking give me a break =P. Seriously, I don't like to get into arguments, but at least from my point of view what Chavez is doing is slowly turning Venezuela into a communist country. That's all that matters to me... and all NeoGAF just noticed I suck when convincing people of my views :lol :lol
Chavez is an asshat. That's why I don't like him.
He wants to do what he wants in his country. Good for him. Good for Venezuelans.
But he's downright embarrassing in public. I would not "be lucky" to have him as my president. Americans already have a reputation as being crass, unsophisticated and backwater; having a president that's so callow he has to be told to shut up will do nothing to rectify that problem. Electing him would be like electing the average fan you find in the stands at an SEC football game.
He wants to do what he wants in his country. Good for him. Good for Venezuelans.
But he's downright embarrassing in public. I would not "be lucky" to have him as my president. Americans already have a reputation as being crass, unsophisticated and backwater; having a president that's so callow he has to be told to shut up will do nothing to rectify that problem. Electing him would be like electing the average fan you find in the stands at an SEC football game.
titiklabingapat said:
As Spaniard, and a republican one, I won't go around defending the King, but you are so wrong on many levels. Have you even read about what exactly happenned?
Zapatero was also talking about how far he is from the political ideas that Aznar has, and then is when the comment about Aznar beign democratically elected came, Chavez was talking all the time.... and the King dropped it. I support the actions both President and King took, and it seems that the first reactions seem to go on that way.
Suburban Cowboy
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Bush invented martial law?
PhoenixDark
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Dies Iræ said:
Huh? The facts speak for themselves, he's a bastard. But there's no point in arguing with his apologists - maybe we'll talk when he starts executing the opposition and declares himself dictator. But even then you'd probably find an elaborate way to blame it all on Bush
Matt_C said:
Well, the spanish constitution makes clear that the king and his family have to be respected, you cannot difamete them and in top of that they are over the law and cannot be judged for anything, so if next week our king rape a woman he will just walk away.
Talk about middle age on this century, meh.
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yes...sure.
Last weeks on Spain groups of people had been burning photos of the king, of course some of then had been fined:
Of course after the fines, more people went to the street and start burning photos of the king:
On some visits around Spain, the king is greeted with republican flags. Of course the people waving them were in some cases arrested and on others hit by the police:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqayzuY1X-A
This humor magazine is pulled from shops by a judge order for portraying an "offense to the prince and princess of Spain"
So yes, they love him A LOT in here everybody, period.
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