dancingphlower
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I'd say I'm more hyped for Phantom Pain. Looks to be the best Metal Gear yet. Based on Ground Zeroes, it's definitely the most fun to play.
Special Metal Gear Solid V: TPP stream announced for gamescom, hosted by Keighley
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Agreed. I was 8 years old when MGS1 came out and grew up with the series. Now that I'm 16 years older, I want the series to mature along with me. I'm glad MGSV is doing so.
It isn't. It's annoying. Are you seriously laughing your ass off every time Snake repeats what someone says? If so, you must miss out on a lot of the cutscenes. If you like the over the top goofiness, good for you. But many of us want a more maturely toned MGS. Thankfully V is delivering. I gladly welcome the MGS comic relief tropes of past titles, but not to be out of balance like they have been.
I think the whole idea and some of its writing is very clever indeed. That doesn't take away from some really bad writing segments in the game. I just think that the games (MGS in general) have started to move into a better territory, where they transcend because of the attention to detail in the dialogue, than in fan quotes and shoddy moments. The goofyness can remain when done correctly. The quote before comparing to Quentin Tarantino writing hits it home imo.
Kojima didn't show much yet with the trailers that alone makes it the most hyped MGS ever for me. In the other games he spoiled a lot and pretty much everything in the MGS3 trailers. Bosses, locations, weapons, music etc. you name it.
You say Metal Gear vs Metal Gear, Beauty and the Beast unit etc. yes sure that is hype but we've seen it already the fact that we saw almost nothing of Metal Gear Solid V makes it my most anticipated game in the series.
Let's say Hayter and adult Solid Snake don't show up. Ok but the fact alone that this will be the most mature Metal Gear Solid game ever makes me beyond excited. I really wanna see how far they can go with this.
and there is already lots of stuff to be hyped about. Code Talker, Quiet, Eli, The ones who don't exist, mother base, jungle setting etc. etc. plenty of stuff even without Hayter and Solid to get HYPE!
Disagree. It is not annoying in the slightest. It was funny as hell. And MGSV doesn't seem any more "mature" than the rest of the series so far.
Yes it does.
Well you see, if GAF has taught me anything is that discussion and opinions only get so far before devolving into "Yes", "No", "I said yes", "Well, I said no" ranting.
So let's just stop there. I love Metal Gear's balance and writing, you want it to be more serious.
That's all.
This, by far. Its a real evolution of the franchise with the open world gameplay and I'm interested to see the fall of Big Boss. I've never taken time off for a game, but I'm seriously considering taking a few days for this.
Stone Ocean
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GAF taught you that and real life interaction didn't?
I disagree about the balance. It has always been too lopsided in campyness. Nudge it towards serious and we've got a winner.
It's called comedic relief and I'm all for it in gameplay. It's all about balance.
NoctisVsStar
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i mean, its a rpg element of the game the fulton..not that i find it hilarious in anyway, its a lighthearted moment to breakaway from all the dark/gloom. the goat is goat
Sorry but anyone who says MGSV isn't any more "mature" than previous MGS games is wrong imo.
The themes alone. This scene alone.
and let's not forget the tapes in GZ. People who say Ground Zeroes and TPP aren't more mature than other MGS games, did you even listen to the tapes?
And that was just the prologue ladies and gentlemen. We haven't seen shit yet.
The themes alone. This scene alone.
and let's not forget the tapes in GZ. People who say Ground Zeroes and TPP aren't more mature than other MGS games, did you even listen to the tapes?
And that was just the prologue ladies and gentlemen. We haven't seen shit yet.
Disagree. A bloody scene of a surgery doesn't make it more mature than the rest.
Agreed. If GZ is anything to go by, which it very well should be since it's a part of V, it'll certainly be more mature.
It's like you're in denial about MGS maturing like team A is about Hayter being gone...
NoctisVsStar
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Boss i also forgot the last time a metal gear game implied rape..so yeah
and the tapes? hint: rape?
Stone Ocean
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Sheeez... Just chill out, man.
You are taking this just as seriously as you want the MGS series to be.
NoctisVsStar
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i just got hit in the leg shots fired at team A but i get what you're trying to say lol, V is certainly more mature, just like
FFXV
Already hinted at in the original Metal Gear Solid.
Sheeez... Just chill out, man.
You are taking this just as seriously as you want the MGS series to be.
Not at all. I'm very chill.
I'm just trying to make a point. I don't want the fury of team A unleashed on me!
If you're talking about the bit where it was implied that 'fun' was implying Ocelot raped her, then nice try. GZ took that shit 10x farther. I doubt that bit in MGS1 wasn't even implying rape. I always took it as they implied torture.
Doesn't seem like it.
Love Deterrence
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There's really nothing objective about "hype." People like what they like, and are excited by what excites them. I'm more hype for MGSV. Others were more hype for MGS4. Nothing wrong, either way.
NoctisVsStar
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everyone is chill, we are just perplexed that you think V is tone with the other MGS thats all
Definitely. I was shocked to learn about the stuff with Paz on those tapes. I mean, I knew Kojima was going with a more darker theme in MGSV, but damn.
Perplexed that people have a different opinion than yours? Shocking, I know.
You lot don't seem to know what mature is. Mario is more mature than Call of Duty. Violence and gore doesn't equal mature.
Exactly.
And yet you seem perplexed your opinion isn't shared among us. Hm.
No, not at all.
There was nothing like this in MGS1, at least not as sick as it was in GZ. This alone makes it the most brutal and mature MGS game ever.
Ishida i respect your opinion and all but could it be that you haven't played a Metal Gear Solid game in quite some time? i mean nostalgia can be a bitch, im totally honest. When i bought the HD collection i haven't played those games for a while. So there are some very cringe worthy lines in those games, which i totally forgot about. I played through all games again and watch some MGS streams on twitch.
Then i watched all MGSV trailers again and my god was it a difference, the writing alone got much better imo. Especially in the opening scene of the TPP 30 minutes gameplay demo. It all seems yeah well more "mature" than previous games.
NoctisVsStar
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i miss boss sabathia, no horns, no eye-patch = Grey Sabathia Fox
Rogue Agent
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A more mature story should apply to how that story is told.
From my understanding, rape as a storytelling device doesn't automatically make the story mature. It depends on how it's done - whether it's done tastefully or not.
From my understanding, rape as a storytelling device doesn't automatically make the story mature. It depends on how it's done - whether it's done tastefully or not.
We're just having fun. The game won't be ruined if none of that comes true.
NoctisVsStar
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i was trying to refresh my memory but there's nothing that implies rape in MGS1 at least to my knowledge..the only thing that comes to mind is volgin A) he's gay and B) he never raped eva he just tortured her aka a sadistic
I play them all the time. Currently playing through Sons of Liberty HD.
Cringe worthy? Sure, just like in every game of the franchise. "Like a damn fiddle" and all of that. But that "cringe-worthy" is funny, it makes me smile, it's just plain fun.
It's just like, unlike some people, I'm more accepting of the essence of the franchise and just take it for what it is, without wanting it to turn into something completely different.
Rape was definitely implied in the original MGS with Meryl's dialogue, about her resisting torture "and things even worse than that" while she was being held captive.
You just contradicted yourself 1 post later. Sweet.
So we should all be happy and never think, "I love this series, but you know what would make the story better? If it was more maturely told and the campy was toned down." We should all just sit back and accept it for what it is and not criticize? ......k
Ishida said:
No it wasn't. Torture was.
The fiddle line wasn't cringe worthy at all.
No contradiction at all.
Yes, rape was implied with Meryl.
ANd yes, the fiddle line was cringe-worthy.
Love Deterrence
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This. What's sad is that this post was necessary.
I was simply making a point. I wasn't being serious. I know full well that Sn4ke and his following aren't fully invested in Hayter being in it. All for fun. Hell, I want Hayter to be in it
Yes you did.
No it wasn't.
Not at all.
I see where you're coming from but most the time mature is about gore, violence, blood etc. or what do you think when you see a mature sticker on a film you want to buy? it's mostly about that stuff.
I was simply making a point. I wasn't being serious. I know full well that Sn4ke and his following aren't fully invested in Hayter being in it. All for fun. Hell, I want Hayter to be in it
Absolutely. I'm not killing myself when Solid Snake or Hayter don't show up lol, it's all harmless fun just like you said.
NoctisVsStar
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love i agree its harmless fun, even if Solid Snake doesnt appear or appears and isnt voiced by hayter it won't ruin the game for me..and i hope thats the sentiment for everyone else in this thread.
I think maybe what we are missing here is that as far as the writing goes we are dealing with Mature THEMES.
As far as gameplay, narrative and presentation, i think the games have matured as well. Not in presenting darker content. But just how they shed things that didn't work for the series and embracing new ideas and fine tuning them.
Even the dialogue is better this time around, and not only because the game is dealing with a darker premise.
Of course. Just including something as significant as brutal torture and rape doesn't automatically make something mature. It's like a kid wanting to smoke cigarettes just to look more "cool" and "mature."
That being said, I thought it fit well with the theme of GZ. Rape in war happens a lot more often than people tend to think, so seeing Paz be raped as part of the torture isn't all that surprising. Not to mention her playing the part of traitor in PW adds to the whole situation even moreso.
I was simply making a point. I wasn't being serious. I know full well that Sn4ke and his following aren't fully invested in Hayter being in it. All for fun. Hell, I want Hayter to be in it
Yes you did.
No it wasn't.
Not at all.
Well, we are certainly going places here.
You have your opinion, I have mine. Leave it as such.
Yeah, like I mentioned a few posts back.... But anyways.
Did he (Kojima) come up with this commercial idea?
Then you said this...
...trying to slyly talk shit & contradict yourself at the same time.
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Exactly.
I agree. I liked what amount of story we got in GZ, including the rape implication, abuse, torture and the snuke. Also, I didn't expect things to be this brutal in the story, and that made Skull Face more unsettling, since he does these horrible things so casually.
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