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Speculate!: PS3 SKUs

cyberheater said:
PS3 + Hard drive + headphones = $499
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Sign me up!

I think it's very difficult to say what Sony will do though. $350 for a HD-less PS3 seems to be the minimum I can see, $299, while great, just seems a little low now*. I don't know..I guess we'll see soon.

Anyone wanna guess when we'll see prices? TGS maybe has a small possibility, they announced PS2 pricing etc. at the TGS before PS2's launch, and if they've (relatively) good news to bring, it'd seem like a good strategy to strike while the iron is hot so to speak.

* by the way, this is all very relatively speaking. In many ways I think I'm crazy saying that $350 or $399 would be "great" :lol
 
I know about the memory sticks but has it been confirmed Sony wont be requiring a proprietary HDD either? So most off the shelf 2.5 will be fully compatible? It would make sense with all the other universal ports included in this sucker. I hope Sony goes completely opposite the proprietary direction MS seems to be following and actually allows the consumer the full range of options like this (even if it'll be over the head of most casuals at first). Id much rather use my own USB headset and purchased hard drive instead of being forced into whatever the manufacturer wants to bilk me for on the side.
 
hukasmokincaterpillar said:
I know about the memory sticks but has it been confirmed Sony wont be requiring a proprietary HDD either? So most off the shelf 2.5 will be fully compatible? It would make sense with all the other universal ports included in this sucker. I hope Sony goes completely opposite the proprietary direction MS seems to be following and actually allows the consumer the full range of options like this (even if it'll be over the head of most casuals at first). Id much rather use my own USB headset and purchased hard drive instead of being forced into whatever the manufacturer wants to bilk me for on the side.
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I agree it'd be sweet, but I don't think that's been confirmed at all. And I'd be very surprised if it happened.
 
Basic SKU
PlayStation 3 + 1 Wireless controller + AV cables = 299$

Value Pack SKU
Basic SKU + 80GB 2,5"HDD = 399$

Extreme *OMG WE ARE CRAZY!* Value Pack SKU
Value Pack SKU + PSP = 499$ (PSP gets a price drop to 199$)

Note: I dont think Sony is gonna include a Memory stick in any SKU 'cos this could probably piss off CF and SD manufacturers.
 
Now that I think about it, it seems like a bad idea for Sony to be second to market and not have an extremely-slimmed-down SKU that matches the $299 360 price.

As for the upper end, I bet they don't ship a HDD in any of the out-of-the-box SKUs but sell it as a peripheral, like they did with the PS2 and PSP. (Or skip the proprietary shit and decide to support all Mass-Storage Class USB drives). And, I can't imagine they'd feel very good about going over $399.

So, an everything-but-a-HD SKU for $399, and a "PS3: Special Tard Pack" for $299.
 
I hope they don't include a memory stick with the PS3 'cause I got something like 5 lying around here.

And anyone know if the PS2 component cables will work with the PS3? But I'll probably be tempted to buy DVI cables anyway.
 
Miburou said:
I hope they don't include a memory stick with the PS3 'cause I got something like 5 lying around here.

And anyone know if the PS2 component cables will work with the PS3? But I'll probably be tempted to buy DVI cables anyway.
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Socket is the good old Multi Out so I guess the answer to your question is Yes
 
f_elz said:
One SKU at $299. Just like the PlayStation, PlayStation 2.
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One SKU at $399. Why? Sony has said themselves, PS3 is going to be expensive. I think they always considered the price of PS and PS2 as reasonable. And remember what Ken Kutaragi said. The thing will make you work overtime to get it. On top of that, the technology that is being used is far more impressive for it's time than the PS or PS2. I would say, at the moment, that it is more likely that there will be one SKU priced at $399.
 
gofreak said:
I agree it'd be sweet, but I don't think that's been confirmed at all. And I'd be very surprised if it happened.
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Awww. Too much quick money to be made with proprietary format I guess. Would be nice though, and as these machines become more and more a centerpiece of the living room it seems like a natural progression to go as universal as possible (outside of the base hardware of course). A closed box console would seem obsolete in a hurry.
 
I think pricing will very much depend how the sales of 360 are going.

If 360's are flying off shelves then you can expect Sony to try and pricematch. If 360 sales are slow then expect a much higher price.
 
I already weighed in on this subject in the other thread.

Only 1 SKU in US. Maybe elsewhere there will be more, but not here.

PLAYSTATION 3 [2039-K Pack]

● [1] PLAYSTATION 3 CONSOLE UNIT
● [1] PlayStation UNDERGROUND ADVERTISEMENT
● [1] PLAYSTATION 3 User Manual
● [1] Wireless Controller
● [1] Spider-Man 2 (BLU-RAY) [Includes special Behind the Set of Spider-Man 3 Featurette]
● [1] PS3 VIDEO DEMO DISC
● All Requisite Cables to get system on

PRICE: $399.99

Peripherals Sold Seperately:

30GB HDD - $69.99
Wireless Controller - $39.99
 
gofreak said:
Sign me up!

I think it's very difficult to say what Sony will do though. $350 for a HD-less PS3 seems to be the minimum I can see, $299, while great, just seems a little low now*. I don't know..I guess we'll see soon.

Anyone wanna guess when we'll see prices? TGS maybe has a small possibility, they announced PS2 pricing etc. at the TGS before PS2's launch, and if they've (relatively) good news to bring, it'd seem like a good strategy to strike while the iron is hot so to speak.

* by the way, this is all very relatively speaking. In many ways I think I'm crazy saying that $350 or $399 would be "great" :lol
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I doubt they'll go at TGS, not with a launch still some 5 or 6 months away. Plus it'd give MS too much time to react against it.

If they do have some good news, they'd be best to announce it just before the Xbox360 launch, say 2 weeks before, throw in a game announcement or two to give it some extra oomph.
 
cyberheater said:
I think pricing will very much depend how the sales of 360 are going.

If 360's are flying off shelves then you can expect Sony to try and pricematch. If 360 sales are slow then expect a much higher price.
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Amazing prediction!
 
There is a PlayStation Conference scheduled for february 2006. I'm confident that's donna be the Price Unvealing Day. At least for japan.
 
Amir0x, I think that's a very prescient prediction.

Personally, I think it'd be an interesting strategic move if Sony now pushed the HDD hard in response to Microsoft (i.e., including it in with every system and encouraging devs to use it) as an FU and as a way to get devs interested in using the HD extensively exclusively on board, but I don't think that'll happen due to the price of such a manuever. It's too bad, because I think it'd be a smart idea (and as a gamer I'd be interested in it as one extra feature).
 
human5892 said:
Amir0x, I think that's a very prescient prediction.

Personally, I think it'd be an interesting strategic move if Sony now pushed the HDD hard in response to Microsoft (i.e., including it in with every system and encouraging devs to use it) as an FU and as a way to get devs interested in using the HD extensively exclusively on board, but I don't think that'll happen due to the price of such a manuever. It's too bad, because I think it'd be a smart idea (and as a gamer I'd be interested in it as one extra feature).
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It's an interesting thought, but it'd force Sony into difficult pricing prospects down the road. And one thing Sony is, for whatever their faults, is forward thinking. They strategize to expectations fairly successfully: "We expect PS3 to sell X amount of units, and sell Z amount of software in one year. Therefore, we can price at this and such and break even at Y time."

Including the HDD as standard would prolong this, and I don't think Sony wants that. As well as that, it makes it difficult to drop prices at an efficient pace. PS2 + software is going to be a good source of income, but it won't cover the extreme losses of PS3 upfront.
 
Amir0x said:
It's an interesting thought, but it'd force Sony into difficult pricing prospects down the road. And one thing Sony is, for whatever their faults, is forward thinking. They strategize to expectations fairly successfully: "We expect PS3 to sell X amount of units, and sell Z amount of software in one year. Therefore, we can price at this and such and break even at Y time."

Including the HDD as standard would prolong this, and I don't think Sony wants that. As well as that, it makes it difficult to drop prices at an efficient pace. PS2 + software is going to be a good source of income, but it won't cover the extreme losses of PS3 upfront.
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Yeah, the price would just be too prohibitive, I agree. I'd like it to happen and I think it'd be good strategy, but I also don't think it will. It's really a shame that it probably won't.
 
In regards to the PS3 HDD and whether it will support any standard drive, here's my take. Given the somewhat "open" nature of the console thus far in regards to different media it wouldn't surprise me in the least of the PS3 supports any standard 2.5" HDD, and it will say as much in the manual for those of us on this forum and more knowledable people to know about.

I'd still expect Sony to release its own branded HDD add-on peripherals that have the Sony and Playstation name on them simply for awareness of the capability of the console to use a HDD for the less "hardcore" that Sony can't expect to be able to jump on NewEgg and know what to buy.
 
human5892 said:
Amir0x, I think that's a very prescient prediction.

Personally, I think it'd be an interesting strategic move if Sony now pushed the HDD hard in response to Microsoft (i.e., including it in with every system and encouraging devs to use it) as an FU and as a way to get devs interested in using the HD extensively exclusively on board, but I don't think that'll happen due to the price of such a manuever. It's too bad, because I think it'd be a smart idea (and as a gamer I'd be interested in it as one extra feature).
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I think the HDD slot will be open to just about any 2.5 drive (with the subsequent small list of incompatible models, for whatever reason), but Sony will offer a drive + game for a decent price, or a stand-alone drive for a competitive retail price, maybe with pre-loaded bonuses.

If they go the "drive + game" path with a AAA title that would be closely followed by other titles that require/benefit greatly from HDD assistance, that would be great.

E: I'd LOVE for it to be built-in so devs could take full advantage of it, but MS proved it just isn't realistic.
 
teiresias said:
I'd still expect Sony to release its own branded HDD add-on peripherals that have the Sony and Playstation name on them simply for awareness of the capability of the console to use a HDD for the less "hardcore" that Sony can't expect to be able to jump on NewEgg and know what to buy.
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I'd also expect the Sony branded HDD to contain their Linux-based Cell-OS.
 
If they are going to do that, I don't see how it'll be used for gaming. 5400 or 7200RPM. Different cache sizes.
 
$399.99 - One SKU (learned from Jap PSP) Base system (BRD, WiFi built in), Wireless Controller, power cable, composite/S-Video cables, BRD demo disc with games, movies and music.
 
Amir0x said:
I already weighed in on this subject in the other thread.

Only 1 SKU in US. Maybe elsewhere there will be more, but not here.

PLAYSTATION 3 [2039-K Pack]

● [1] PLAYSTATION 3 CONSOLE UNIT
● [1] PlayStation UNDERGROUND ADVERTISEMENT
● [1] PLAYSTATION 3 User Manual
● [1] Wireless Controller
● [1] Spider-Man 2 (BLU-RAY) [Includes special Behind the Set of Spider-Man 3 Featurette]
● [1] PS3 VIDEO DEMO DISC
● All Requisite Cables to get system on

PRICE: $399.99

Peripherals Sold Seperately:

30GB HDD - $69.99
Wireless Controller - $39.99
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Now we're talkin'. Similar to my prediction, but I'll add a HDD bundle to that to make a HD Value Pack for $449.99.
 
Base unit with BR Drive, movie, 1 WIRELESS controller, a/v cables (component and composite together), manual

$350.00

I'm hoping the PSP is a sign of things to come. ie Open slather accessories. Headsets, mem sticks, HDDs, HDMI cables etc.
 
I really don't think Sony will release 2 seperate sku's. It's not their "m.o." and with the negative feedback M$ is getting, I think they'll try and avoid the same.

They will release one sku and I predict the price will be between 399.99 and 499.99. I think the contents will include....


1 Playstation 3 game console
1 Wireless controller
1 Power plug
1 Set of all in one av/component cables
1 Demo Disk (could possibly include playable demos and high def movie footage)
1 User manual (plus probably a shitload of brochures regarding Play Online, Official PS
magazine subscription, etc).
 
Agent Icebeezy said:
If they are going to do that, I don't see how it'll be used for gaming. 5400 or 7200RPM. Different cache sizes.
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That's true. But I think they'll figure something out.

I mean cacheing aside, most people wouldn't know it but a nice amount of games on PS2 did use the HDD to have almost no loading in games. It's just that 90% of these games were rpgs released in Japan and they cut the HDD support when they hit US shores. For about 2 years Sony pushed for almost every rpg coming out to have HDD install support to cut down loads. So Sony does know what's up with HDD use and cutting down on loads, now they just need to have an HDD from the bat and once again push all the game companies to have an install option to eliminate load times.
 
I cannot believe that some people here actually think the PS3 is going to cost $299.99. Yes, go ahead and keep dreaming about that miraculous coup d'etat that will NEVER happen.
 
Wyzdom said:
Sony fears the 360 so much that they'll probably do the exact same as Microsoft.
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That would be monumentally stupid on Sony's part. MS's weakness now is a fragmented userbase. A single model PS3, preferably with a HD (although unlikely) will give Sony an advantage of having a single unified standard and allow more creative developers to write games tailored to the machine without having to worry about two different sets of users.

That said, Square-Enix is probably on the verge of cancelling all their 360 projects right now after being screwed by MS before the console even launch so its a good time to lock in S-E for good with a PS3 that caters to S-E needs.
 
Chiggs said:
I cannot believe that some people here actually think the PS3 is going to cost $299.99. Yes, go ahead and keep dreaming about that miraculous coup d'etat that will NEVER happen.
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History does not favour your point of view.
 
Bare bones PS3 (w/out Blu ray) = $399***
PS3 + Blu Ray + HDD(maybe)=$599

Oh, and you wont see any of these in stores till xmas 2006 at the earliest. In the US and Europe that is.

That is why MS went to 399 for the hdd model....they know they have an entire yr before ps3 comes out.

edit*** by blu ray I mean the ability to play blu ray dvd movies. The ability to have blu ray for games only might be included. But not movies.
 
Chiggs said:
Well, hey, feel free to call me out if I'm wrong. But I really doubt I will be.
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Not necessarily saying that you'll be wrong, but just that, every single time that people have speculated on Sony console prices, that they would be much higher, and Sony has suprised them time and time again...

So that you shouldn't hedge your bets entirely on the price been higher, which you seem to be doing.

In otherwords, probable but not definite.
 
Chiggs said:
I cannot believe that some people here actually think the PS3 is going to cost $299.99. Yes, go ahead and keep dreaming about that miraculous coup d'etat that will NEVER happen.
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If MS had come out with 299.99, PS3 would also be 299.99 in the US. But since MS will bust everyone's 400 dollar cherry this Christmas, Sony will have smooth sailing to 399.99.

BTW, Sony won't sell PS3 with a HDD in any configuration. It's gonna be an accessory only, and that's even if Sony will have a first party HDD and if it's even available at launch. They'll probably rather push Memory Stick for custom soundtracks and media sharing.
 
Fatghost28 said:
If MS had come out with 299.99, PS3 would also be 299.99 in the US. But since MS will bust everyone's 400 dollar cherry this Christmas, Sony will have smooth sailing to 399.99.
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Uhhh, but MS did come out at $299. Sure the $299 version sucks but it's still a version at $299 which would pressure Sony to also have a sucky version at $299 to appease the casual idiots.
 
Norse said:
Bare bones PS3 (w/out Blu ray) = $399***
PS3 + Blu Ray + HDD(maybe)=$599

Oh, and you wont see any of these in stores till xmas 2006 at the earliest. In the US and Europe that is.

That is why MS went to 399 for the hdd model....they know they have an entire yr before ps3 comes out.

edit*** by blu ray I mean the ability to play blu ray dvd movies. The ability to have blu ray for games only might be included. But not movies.
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:lol :lol :lol
 
Norse said:
edit*** by blu ray I mean the ability to play blu ray dvd movies. The ability to have blu ray for games only might be included. But not movies.
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Uh... no.
 
DarienA said:
PS3 Value Pack:
PS3 + no cables, (not even power).
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Oh man, that would be great! I know I am always pissed if one of my consoles dies and I am forced to buy a new controller, power cord, A/V cables, manual, etc. I'm glad to see these big companies finally empowering we consumers by offering choices.
 
The PSP launched in more than one variety so i expect the PS3 to do the same.

Price is probably dependant on how 360 is doing.
 
No multiple SKUs:

Core package - 101$
Includes:
A PS3 motherboard
One Wireless batarang
AV Cables
BluRay drive

Add-ons:
1xCell chip - 101$
1xRSX - 101$
1x256MB of XDR 55.5$
1x256MB of GDDR3 55.5$
etc.
 
Fafalada said:
No multiple SKUs:

Core package - 101$
Includes:
A PS3 motherboard
One Wireless batarang
AV Cables
BluRay drive

Add-ons:
1xCell chip - 101$
1xRSX - 101$
1x256MB of XDR 55.5$
1x256MB of GDDR3 55.5$
etc.
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I know it's funny but I actually do think a diy console would sell. I know of lot of tech heads would go for it...
 
There is no space to attach a hard drive on the PS3 is there? I hope Sony just drops this HDD shit. It's expensive and useless.

All I want is a PS3 with Blu-Ray and a wireless controller.
 
Amir0x said:
I already weighed in on this subject in the other thread.

Only 1 SKU in US. Maybe elsewhere there will be more, but not here.

PLAYSTATION 3 [2039-K Pack]

● [1] PLAYSTATION 3 CONSOLE UNIT
● [1] PlayStation UNDERGROUND ADVERTISEMENT
● [1] PLAYSTATION 3 User Manual
● [1] Wireless Controller
● [1] Spider-Man 2 (BLU-RAY) [Includes special Behind the Set of Spider-Man 3 Featurette]
● [1] PS3 VIDEO DEMO DISC
● All Requisite Cables to get system on

PRICE: $399.99

Peripherals Sold Seperately:

30GB HDD - $69.99
Wireless Controller - $39.99
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I think a 2 sku approach is GUARANTEED for Sony, for exactly the same reasons as Microsoft. Microsoft knew that the HDD was important for this next generation, mostly for non-direct gaming purposes (downloads, multimedia, etc), but at the same time knew that it would be a prohibitive costs. If you just sold the HDD as an accessory, you'd NEVER get close to even 50% installed base. However, by having a bundle, you will get ALOT of people to buy the premium version and you can push that agenda forward.

It also helps defray the losses by including accessories which are profitable vs just the core system, where you lose your ass.

Base System $349-$399
PS3
Blu-Ray Drive
Built-In wireless
Built-In Bluetooth
Wireless controller
Component / S-Video / RCA cable

Value bundle $449-$499
Hard Drive
HDMI cable
512MB Memory card
Remote Control
 
CabbageRed said:
Oh man, that would be great! I know I am always pissed if one of my consoles dies and I am forced to buy a new controller, power cord, A/V cables, manual, etc. I'm glad to see these big companies finally empowering we consumers by offering choices.
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Haha... the PS3 'repair pack'. :P
 
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