heliosRAzi
Banned
That was another thing. Harley and Deadshot were discussing on killing their military escort while the escorts were around them. And they weren't subtle about it, either.
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[SPOILER THREAD] Suicide Squad
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That was another thing. Harley and Deadshot were discussing on killing their military escort while the escorts were around them. And they weren't subtle about it, either.
This, Waller didn't give a fuck about Midway City.
cj_iwakura
Member
That Double Toasted review was savage, and said this very thing. I guess I need to hunt that down somehow.
Also, they were on point about the villain. I thought it was going to be Joker... and that would have been a lot better. I don't think it absolutely turned the movie to utter shit like everyone seems to think, it was just a major flaw in an otherwise solid film, and hopefully if they get another go, they can dispense with the setups and just go all in on better adventures and/or set pieces.
I remember checking my watch hoping that the whole movie wasn't going to be set in that damn city, and sadly that's exactly what it was.
Poodlestrike
Banned
*shrug*
Ostrander Squad went toe-to-toe with Granny Goodness and Darkseid, and they were even lower power than this one. Part of the brand, imo.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Maybe not Aquaman, but Waller is scary enough that she could find a way to gain some leverage over Flash (Iris, Joe?) without having to put a bomb in his neck.
Again, I don't want that to happen, I want the Squad to be just about villains. But the movie just didn't manage to justify itself, unlike Asault on Arkham or many of the comics.
"Marg bar Amrika, amirite fellow Iranians?"
I don't think there's an answer for that.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
They should call in Flash for literally every single problem that ever comes up in anything DC if we are being that "realistic" about it. Of course, that's not how it ever works, ever.
BronsonLee
Member
She tried to do just that, guys
Her bro had to help keep her alive after Waller put a bunch of holes in her heart
Her bro had to help keep her alive after Waller put a bunch of holes in her heart
cj_iwakura
Member
Probably still wanted leverage over Flagg, not to mention Enchantress' power.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Sure, but she wanted a team who could stand against the next Superman.
Breathtaking how many people blacked out during this film.
Linkstrikesback
Member
I think we've found the new DC cinematic universe tagline.
She stabbed it, but didn't make it explode. That would be it for Enchantress. Of course that leaves the brother, but who cares.
Killer Queen
Banned
Yeah she stabbed the shit out of the heart but Incubus just healed her
I mean, yeas, but you'd think after the second day of being a hostage she'd realized it was a good idea.
But she still could've destroyed it because when they capture Waller they still need her heart.
So at any point she could've destroyed Enchantress anyways.
BronsonLee
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They could take em!
I'M JUST A SUCKAH FOR PAIN
I mean she's in the middle of mission control, can't really just make it go boom.
The stabbing would've done it if the brother wasn't there. Unknown variable.
She never tried to actually destroy the heart, though.
Then put it On fire with a cigarette or something hahaha. The script really needed another pass.
Lady, you evil.
BronsonLee
Member
She started stabbing the shit out of it the second Flag told her she bolted
She wanted to keep her in line vs kill her, Waller always deviates to her leverage
tbh it's a dumb thing to harp over.
White people that shit
Killer Queen
Banned
I think most people assume that when you repeadedly stab someone in the heart they're done and if that didn't kill them I don't think she figured breaking it a bit more would help.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Waller just stabbed the shit out of it. Which was weird because she had the explosive with it, right? It was hooked up to an explosive. Just take it outside and detonate it. Problem solved.
nah if its a world ending event the flash shows up
No, she knew what the effects of stabbing it were and she made it very clear they were aware of how the heart function for Enchantress. She wasn't trying to kill Enchantress at that point, just weaken her to the point of getting her back under control.
She had ample opportunity to destroy it through other means (hence the fucking bomb it was attached to). She didn't because
I'd say I'm sure an elite spymaster would have also found a way to set that bomb up as a remote thing that she could detonate away from herself, but this movie actually made a case that Waller is terrible at her job, so maybe just just didn't.
Though, it is worth noting that Waller slept with the booby trapped case near her, so it's not like she was probably that worried about being caught in the explosion.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Clearly. Point being, we all know the Flash's power set would allow him to take care of almost any problem, "realistically" speaking. But it is never written that way. This is why Bats can take on Supes without being melted with heat vision half a second into the fight.
Astral Dog
Member
oDoes anyone else feel the relationship between Harley and Joker was a bit off?
these two almost seem too symphatetic, the Joker almost feels like a good guy.
Harley gets over his death way too soon to kick ass, and he never says anything bad to her, i think it would had worked better, and a bit more true to the comics if Joker had the first scenes, but somewhere in the middle after Harley leaves the group Joker gets a bit abusive,(the infamous slap
) and after "dying" he returns to rescue her at the end. its similar to the comics were they go from good to bad but he still cares about her..
And about Harley, its me or she is , um, too sexualized, like the movie always reminds us she is Harley Quinn, "look im a psycho hot bad girl" while yes Margot is gorgeous and Harley has always been pretty in other media, the characters here (and the camera, and Batman
) always stop to look and say how hot and demented she is, and that gets a little tiring.
these two almost seem too symphatetic, the Joker almost feels like a good guy.
Harley gets over his death way too soon to kick ass, and he never says anything bad to her, i think it would had worked better, and a bit more true to the comics if Joker had the first scenes, but somewhere in the middle after Harley leaves the group Joker gets a bit abusive,(the infamous slap
) and after "dying" he returns to rescue her at the end. its similar to the comics were they go from good to bad but he still cares about her..And about Harley, its me or she is , um, too sexualized, like the movie always reminds us she is Harley Quinn, "look im a psycho hot bad girl" while yes Margot is gorgeous and Harley has always been pretty in other media, the characters here (and the camera, and Batman
) always stop to look and say how hot and demented she is, and that gets a little tiring.demosthenes
Member
I was, entertained, not super well though.
I think the rushness we've heard about was well evident through the movie. Don't have time to share more but, I wish it had been better.
I think the rushness we've heard about was well evident through the movie. Don't have time to share more but, I wish it had been better.
Exactly, so don't write a movie where the suicide squad has to stop a world ending event. Have them take care of something no one else could possibly know about.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I agree that the Squad should have done a heist/small-scale type flick but don't agree with "Well, why didn't she just call in the Flash!"
It's one of those scenes that feel like something was cut or something was shoved in and the film was stapled back together.
It was like when Harley ditches the Squad to ride the elevator, and looks down to wave at them, then when she gets to the floor, they are all there with guns. What?
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
I didn't realize that was him until the credits. And he was supposed to be Green Lantern in a Justice League film directed by George Miller. I used to talk shit about that movie before it was cancelled. Man, do I have some regrets now.
heliosRAzi
Banned
I don't know why Katana went into the bar with the bad guys she despises. Didn't make sense. I don't know why Diablo calls the squad his family. Didn't make sense. There had to have been stuff that was cut that actually makes those moments feel earned.
I also don't agree with people saying why didn't she just call the flash. My point is that he would have ended up there on his own since they show us that he is already actively stopping crime at the start of the movie.
Lol how did it not dawn on me that they used 2 bombs back to back?
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Honor, though she is no thief. At that point, the b.s. Flagg was peddling as the mission had fallen apart. She was not privy to that either and had been lied to as well. That's my take, anyway.
Glass Shark
Banned
Hard not to get knocked out as you're being beaten over the head by exposition.
heliosRAzi
Banned
I guess, but why go with the bad guys? Why not go off by herself or with the rest of the military?
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Hmm, if the lack of immediacy is a problem, perhaps we could even do away with the drawn-out "advocating Task Force X" segment entirely and just make it an already long-running operation. Start with a short action sequence of a botched mission that leaves the majority of the Squad dead because the enemy is unexpectedly super and then Waller goes "we need new people".
Maybe she just really needs a drink at that point.
cj_iwakura
Member
I was hoping the Joker's death was going to be a catalyst for a Deadshot and Harley Quinn romance and was going to make Joker jealous and lead to a final confrontation, but I guess not.
Because she along with the villains also got to know that they were doing all of that because of Flagg's wife, which she probably didn't like either.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
She felt for them? Dunno what answer would satisfy you. I was fine with what I provided myself. She was disillusioned by Flagg's deception, perhaps her hard line of what's good or bad was challenged, like her killing the guy who didn't actually murder her husband but had only watched. I'm reaching on that, but *shrug*
heliosRAzi
Banned
And while she's looking for new people while the government is trying to shut it down. Or the existence of it gets leaked while they're out on a mission and so the government overreacts and wants to kill everyone involved with it, including Waller, and she goes rogue.
The story could've gone in a lot of different ways that would've made the film better.
I needed one at that moment, too.
My problem is that she's barely a character so we can just fill in the blanks ourselves with anything. I can say she's an alcoholic and she was going through withdrawals.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
I still maintain that by making Waller a clear antagonist, we don't really need a "would the Task Force X Program come into fruition/last?" sub-plot.
BronsonLee
Member
Why the Asian gal gotta be addicted to the spirits, b
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