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[Zaptruder]

meh, good but flawed.

Go watch some Goro anime (Ryvius, S.Cry.Ed, Planetes) or some Daichi anime (Kodomo no Omocha, Jubei-chan 2, Fruits Basket) or Oshii-written anime (Jin-roh, GiTS:SAC 2nd Gig). Watanabe's a great director and a solid writer but he's just one talented guy in an industry with a handful of amazing people. Just because you love Scorsese films doesn't mean you won't also love P.T. Anderson films. Goro Taniguchi is the most talented Japanese director since Kurosawa IMHO and anyone who isn't floored by his directing is crazy.

The stuff you mention don't compare to Bebop... it stands on its own pedestal as greatest fucking fusion of great stuff ever. And ends cohesively with integrity too. Can't beat it. Also has Yoko Kanno on sound track... can't beat it.

 

[borghe]

The stuff you mention don't compare to Bebop... it stands on its own pedestal as greatest fucking fusion of great stuff ever. And ends cohesively with integrity too. Can't beat it. Also has Yoko Kanno on sound track... can't beat it.

I think the point they are making is that it isn't about beating it. It is about making anime that is just as entertaining and relevant as it. To say that you will never see an anime better than it is fine (though somewhat irrelevant). But to say that you will never see anything as good as it.. well, there is plenty out there already that is as good as it.

And I'm not knocking on it here. I was just as blown away as every other American was when they first saw it back in 2000... but I would easily say GITS 2G and PlanetES are easily right up there without it and countless series (way too many to name) are right there underneath and arguably as entertaining and/or significant as Bebop.

I don't think anyone is questioning how great the show is, but there is no sense expecting nothing else to be as good... first you would be wrong, and second you would be missing other shows that are just as mind blowing (check out PlanetES or Last Exile).

 

[Crazymoogle]

Goro Taniguchi is the most talented Japanese director since Kurosawa IMHO and anyone who isn't floored by his directing is crazy.

By his directing, maybe. But of the three titles you mentioned only Planetes stands out to me as a great work (and it's very good, manga beating, in my mind).

And as much as I like Cowboy Bebop, there is a title that will forever stand in front of it in any "best of anime" discussion.

Whisper of the Heart.

 

[borghe]

Whisper of the Heart.

Which is un-freaking-available to American audiences........

stupid diseny, stupid disney.. (though I do like The Cat Returns).

 

[duckroll]

By his directing, maybe. But of the three titles you mentioned only Planetes stands out to me as a great work (and it's very good, manga beating, in my mind).

And as much as I like Cowboy Bebop, there is a title that will forever stand in front of it in any "best of anime" discussion.

Whisper of the Heart.

OMG YAY! That's my FAVORITE anime movie ever too! In fact I had to seperate "anime movies I like" and "anime series I like" simply because of that!

 

[Bebpo]

Aquarion: Like Duckroll said it's freaking offensively awful. For the first 10 mins it didn't seem so bad so I thought maybe Duckroll was on crack or something but then the aliens/monsters show up and OMGWTF so bad. Like wow it was painful to watch. I couldn't even watch the screen by the end and just listened to the audio while doing other things. What really really sucks about the show is that the Yoko Kanno score is GOOD. Lately we've been exposed to a lot of subtle Kanno stuff with GiTS, but this is huge fantasy epic music aka Escaflowne, Brain Powerd. But the show is sooooo bad I don't think I can sit through it just to hear the music :\ Guess I'll be checking the ost out instead.

Law of Ueki: The show is directed by the guy who did King of Bandits Jing and Detective Ragnorak Loki. Both shows are really underrated (they're not great, but they're pretty solid shows with a lot of style and good characters). Unfortunately whereas his previous two efforts were based on interesting manga (Jing manga is crazy and Ragnorak is at least an interesting premise with a Greek god being sealed on earth while the other gods try to kill him) Ueki seems...not so interesting. It's very traditional shounen (probably like Mar) and he really doesn't have much room to go stylish. The OP is pretty neat as it's what he does best (he should just be doing music video instead of anime IMO), but besides using his colored lighting filters that he's known for, the main ep was pretty by the books in terms of visuals. Another strong point is that the main guy is voiced by the woman who played Ed in FMA. Character designs remind me of the Hunter x Hunter anime which isn't really a good thing ^^; Music is forgettable. It wasn't terrible and I do enjoy the directors work so I'll give it another ep or 2 and see if it goes anywhere, but I'd put the first ep at around a C+.

 

[Zaptruder]

I think the point they are making is that it isn't about beating it. It is about making anime that is just as entertaining and relevant as it. To say that you will never see an anime better than it is fine (though somewhat irrelevant). But to say that you will never see anything as good as it.. well, there is plenty out there already that is as good as it.

And I'm not knocking on it here. I was just as blown away as every other American was when they first saw it back in 2000... but I would easily say GITS 2G and PlanetES are easily right up there without it and countless series (way too many to name) are right there underneath and arguably as entertaining and/or significant as Bebop.

I don't think anyone is questioning how great the show is, but there is no sense expecting nothing else to be as good... first you would be wrong, and second you would be missing other shows that are just as mind blowing (check out PlanetES or Last Exile).

Oh, I've watched and enjoyed plenty of other anime... but in that time... I haven't quite come across another anime that has managed to fuse everything quite as perfectly as Bebop did...

I mean... just about everything is right; the setting is awesome and well concieved... the characters are charismatic and gel together *just right*, the episodic structure lends itself to a subtle character building arc (as well as the relatively short main arc) as well as repeatable viewings of most individual episodes...

the mechanical designs... character designs... animation, fight choreography; both ground work and plane work...

music... voices; both english and japanese...
even the production story is great; people with loose instructions creating an anime that they would enjoy.

The only place it fails, where nothing can succeed, is that it doesn't appeal to everyone... but to the people it does appeal to, there's nothing else like it...

Again... there's no doubt that they're other anime out there, perhaps just as enjoyable on the first run...

but to say CB has equals, belies the greatness of how all it's brilliant parts gel together to form something more.

 

[FnordChan]

but to say CB has equals, belies the greatness of how all it's brilliant parts gel together to form something more.

Cowboy Bebop is absolutely amazing, and if cornered, yes, I'd probably say it's my favorite anime series of all time. However, there are plenty of other shows that are just as good as Bebop in an entirely different way; I'd say that Planetes is one of them.

FnordChan

 

[Bebpo]

but to say CB has equals, belies the greatness of how all it's brilliant parts gel together to form something more.

@_@ x 100

Bebop is a good show, yes most people recognize that. Maybe to you personally it is the holy grail of anime and cannot be lived up to by other shows. But that is in your case. It's not some objective fact that Bebop is so good other shows can't be better @_@

I do enjoy Bebop for the many things it does right, I would definitely put it in my top 20 and maybe even in my top10. But when people praise Bebop like Jesus it comes off just like all the people who started rpgs with FF7 and proclaim it as the best rpg ever that nothing can match up too.

plus, IMH Subjective Opinion the series isn't 10/10 OMG perfect since the 2 hour movie >> The entire TV series. Watanabe really shined when he was able to have 2 full hours to tell a story and not have to cram into 23 or 50 mins. There was a more of a gel of everything that made the series great in the film, than in the pieces that were scattered throughout the series along with the weaker roadbump parts.

 

[sprsk]

*cough* evangelion *cough*

*puts guard up*

 

[Zaptruder]

@_@ x 100

Bebop is a good show, yes most people recognize that. Maybe to you personally it is the holy grail of anime and cannot be lived up to by other shows. But that is in your case. It's not some objective fact that Bebop is so good other shows can't be better @_@

I do enjoy Bebop for the many things it does right, I would definitely put it in my top 20 and maybe even in my top10. But when people praise Bebop like Jesus it comes off just like all the people who started rpgs with FF7 and proclaim it as the best rpg ever that nothing can match up too.

plus, IMH Subjective Opinion the series isn't 10/10 OMG perfect since the 2 hour movie >> The entire TV series. Watanabe really shined when he was able to have 2 full hours to tell a story and not have to cram into 23 or 50 mins. There was a more of a gel of everything that made the series great in the film, than in the pieces that were scattered throughout the series along with the weaker roadbump parts.

Subjectivism is one thing... but I'd like to think that something resembling the overall objective truth can be gathered by analyzing a large sample of subjective anecdotes... as well as analyzing the parts in a similar fashion...

for most people, they recognize CB as a great...

but what makes it virtually untouchable is that every part that coaleseces into CB is great too...

music, character designs, art style, animation quality, fight quality, story integrity, rewatchability, voice acting, mechanical designs, humour, character development, etc, etc...

even little stuff like the characters been mature age characters (except for ed) possessing the abilities that you'd expect them to have... as opposed to some young runt(s) full of energy and talent showing up everyone else...

And tho it might invalidate everything I've said so far... FF7 is one of the greatest RPGs to date for similar reasons... although, its greatness on any indivudual element is definetly more contentious, leading to much debate and polarizing about its position of greatness... at least among those that like to split hairs about this kinda stuff.

 

[duckroll]

but to say CB has equals, belies the greatness of how all it's brilliant parts gel together to form something more.

Hey kid, before you say something stupid like that again, maybe you should make sure you've watched every single anime out there first. If not, maybe you should just stfu. Just some friendly advice. :lol

Edit:

And tho it might invalidate everything I've said so far... FF7 is one of the greatest RPGs to date for similar reasons... although, its greatness on any indivudual element is definetly more contentious, leading to much debate and polarizing about its position of greatness... at least among those that like to split hairs about this kinda stuff.

(too late!)

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[Zaptruder]

*cough* evangelion *cough*

*puts guard up*

Crap animation, whiney teen protagonists, confusing ending.

Innovator, great and ruthless treatment of the characters and very multilayered/deep story that can be analyzed for further enjoyment, excellent designs, great settings...

 

[Zaptruder]

Hey kid, before you say something stupid like that again, maybe you should make sure you've watched every single anime out there first. If not, maybe you should just stfu. Just some friendly advice. :lol

Dude, don't laugh. I carefully word my statements and put up defenses for that kind of criticism. Taking the bait makes you look bad, not me.

With my FF7 comment, I wouldn't be so ardent as to push it as the greatest ever; but rather just offer an explanation of why it is popular; considered so great, by so many despite the great contention and polarization; because most if not all of its elements, even the battle system which many on these forums deride can be considered solid.

At least, I enjoyed FF7 because of those things; but can easily enough see how people could take to task any particular element and rag on it like it's a fatal flaw.

As for what anime's I've seen... I can't say I've seen them all, or even 25% of them (after all there is much trash out there)... or even all the best... but I've covered a good amount of the best... all the standard super popular, uber alles series...

and I've measured them against my statements, which holds true. As a general rule of thumb... I would've heard about any series that manages to make as much noise as CB, evangelion, Berserk, One Piece, Gundam, Berserk, etc, etc.

 

[FnordChan]

As a general rule of thumb... I would've heard about any series that manages to make as much noise as CB, evangelion, Berserk, One Piece, Gundam, Berserk, etc, etc.

Here are a few shows I would rank right up there with Bebop that you may not have seen in their entirety:

Rose of Versailles
Maison Ikkoku
Patlabor
Future Boy Conan
Planetes
Paranoia Agent

Bebop is amazingly stylish...but so is Rose of Versailles, in it's own, oh-so-70s shoujo melodramatic way. Bebop has wonderful characters...but it can't compete with the characterization that occurs over 96 episodes of Maison Ikkoku. Patlabor and Planetes are incredibly well-realized visions of the near future with a warmth that Bebop doesn't quite manage. Future Boy Conan is directed by Hayou "Mack Daddy" Miyazaki and it shows. Paranoia Agent is brilliant satire. And so on and so forth.

Like I said, if cornered and asked to name my favorite show, I'd probably say Bebop...but those other shows are right up there at the very top, and I may just as well say RoV or Conan instead.

This doesn't even count the shows that I'm still making my way through. With two more episodes to go, Genshiken may well be the best series to come down the pike in years. The original Space Pirate Captain Harlock TV show is freakin' astonishing. Yawara may well be the best sports anime ever made - and if it isn't Yawara, then we're probably talking Ashita no Joe. And god only knows what amazing shows are out there that I haven't seen a single episode of. So, yes, Bebop is pretty amazing, but I wouldn't be in a hurry to declare it the greatest show ever, bar none, 'nuff said.

'Cause, obviously that's Patarillo.

FnordChan

 

[duckroll]

Dude, don't laugh. I carefully word my statements and put up defenses for that kind of criticism. Taking the bait makes you look bad, not me.

I'll laugh again. :lol

The only person here who looks bad is you, trust me on this. Oh and once again for good measure. :lol :lol

 

[borghe]

the comparisons to FF7 fanatacism is beuatiful.. :lol

FF7 is far far FAR from the greatest RPG ever created. Just in sheer story FFVI, Chrono Trigger, FFX, Star Ocean 2, Grandia, and a host of others beat it. It's story was so freaking cliched and without any real suspense or surprise that it was laughable for the most part. And it's game was strictly pedestrian, even by then game standards (the holy grails of course being DQVI and FFV). The only things that made FFVII stand out were it's music, cutscenes, and overall presentation. In those areas the game really shines.

However a great point is brought up by the typical over-hype of FFVII. People who got on to RPGs through FFVII (and if you are saying it was the best RPG ever, you are clearly one of those people) think it is the greatest RPG ever because when introduced to the seduction that is the typical console RPG, and combined with the utterly slick presentation of the FFVII package, it makes a pretty dramatic impression on someone. That and nostalgia will pretty much cement the game's importance in those peoples' minds forever. Unfortunately it also tends to cloud their judgement in recognizing the game for what it is. A pretty bad story, a pedestrian game engine, surrounded by beautiful visuals and sounds.

Now the same thing with bebop. Well, not the same thing, because unlike the highly flawed FFVII, Bebop has fewer flaws, though it is still flawed. It has some episodes which really weren't that fun to watch.. I mean not bad, but they did drag (most of the faye episodes). and the series is long at 26 episodes. Now yes I realize many other animes are 26 episodes, and yes they drag usually also (a much bigger fan of OVAs generally). Now is this to say that Bebop is not great? Not at all.. the show is simply fantastic. However, after having my consciouness rendered useless by other anime over the last 20 years (GITS, Akira, Maison Ikkoku, Patlabor (thanks fnord), PlanetES, Samurai Champloo, FMA, Gunslinger Girl, Last Exile, anything by Studio Ghibli but particularly Spirited Away, The Cat Returns, and Laputa, etc... you get what I'm saying, hopefully.

There is plenty, and I mean PLENTY of truly great anime out there, yes anime that even rivals the all great bebop. to limit yourself by saying nothing will ever top it is limiting to say the least.

but hey.. to each their own. if you want to believe that CB is an untouchable work of art.. have a blast.. me, I'll recognize it for what it is.. an amazing anime to be collected with the other amazing series released over the last 30 years.

 

[Pellham]

Honestly I don't think most American fans are qualified to know what "the best anime ever" is. Cowboy Bebop isn't even popular in Japan, and you can rest assured that the Japanese watch way more anime than we do. So making a statement like that is pretty silly to begin with, but so is trying to rebut it, because while we're all entitled to our favorites and opinions on what's good, we're in no position to be experts (unless one of us has lived in Japan for years and years and watched a shitload of titles).

And it's game was strictly pedestrian, even by then game standards (the holy grails of course being DQVI and FFV).

You know, I love those games too, but saying DQVI and FFV are the best RPGs ever is no different than saying FF7 is the best RPG ever. There are of course wildly varying opinions on what the best RPGs ever released are, but I don't think our opinions are any better than anyone else's.

It's simply better to just avoid pointing out what you feel is "the best ever", unless you are saying it in jest or exaggeration.

 

[duckroll]

Don't get me wrong either, I *love* Cowboy Bebop, but for anyone to declare a piece of entertainment as the "best" and something that can never be compared to topped is just ignorance. There are only favorites, no bests.

 

[Zaptruder]

I'll laugh again. :lol

The only person here who looks bad is you, trust me on this. Oh and once again for good measure. :lol :lol

What are you offering in the way of attacks? Just :lol?

and a blanket statement about not been able to judge if I haven't experience every thing?

Well you know, that's a pretty worthless attack.

Come; I challenge you to name animes where every single element stacks up like it does in CB, from voice acting, mechanical design, story integrity, character design, ending etc, etc, etc.

Essentially I'm arguing that in a relatively subjective world, that these are the reasons that push CB to the top of the heap.

Last Exile would come closest to CB in a similar fashion, fusing incredibly solid parts into a great anime... but it's not without its critical flaws, including a slightly weaker ending that has a rushed feeling to it.

It's also why although I recognize that they're animes that are as enjoyable to watch maybe once or twice or again and again, that they don't quite compete on the same level as CB.

To further expound; the right fusion of all the elements is also why Miyazaki is such a vaunted legend; all of his films feature very solid elements that all combine to make most of his movies wonderful and cherished animes.

 

[duckroll]

Come; I challenge you to name animes where every single element stacks up like it does in CB, from voice acting, mechanical design, story integrity, character design, ending etc, etc, etc.

Fine. RahXephon, Escaflowne, sCRYed, Infinite Ryvius, Fullmetal Alchemist, Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex and GadGuard for starters. I'm only naming more recent shows since there's a higher chance more people would have seen them. Ok let's see, if you don't agree, that's your opinion. Hence exposing the entire flaw of this stupid holy proclaimation you're giving. :lol

Essentially I'm arguing that in a relatively subjective world, that these are the reasons that push CB to the top of the heap.

And we're saying that since the world IS subjective, you're not incorrect.

Last Exile would come closest to CB in a similar fashion, fusing incredibly solid parts into a great anime... but it's not without its critical flaws, including a slightly weaker ending that has a rushed feeling to it.

Hahahahahahahaha. Last Exile has the worst fucking ending I've seen in some time. Seriously, this once again proves that since people won't agree on something, you can't be right about how something is the "best" at all. It can be your favorite but that doesn't mean we can't say we find something is better and be right.

Ok so now that I'm done pointing out why you're wrong again.... time for.... :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[borghe]

You know, I love those games too, but saying DQVI and FFV are the best RPGs ever is no different than saying FF7 is the best RPG ever. There are of course wildly varying opinions on what the best RPGs ever released are, but I don't think our opinions are any better than anyone else's.

hmm.. didn't mean to say they were the best games ever. though I just realized it came out that way.. meant to say their game engines are generally considered amng the best. DQ's combat system and FFV's job system were just deep. wasn't talking about the games as a whole, just the engines in comparison to FFVII.

 

[Pellham]

Come; I challenge you to name animes where every single element stacks up like it does in CB, from voice acting, mechanical design, story integrity, character design, ending etc, etc, etc.

I think Monster is a better anime than Cowboy Bebop. Better voice acting, no mecha but the architectural design in Monster is excellent, the story in Monster is 100x better than CB's, the character design matches the manga perfectly, and the ending is intriguing.

And I can't prove it to you because it's subjective.

To further expound; the right fusion of all the elements is also why Miyazaki is such a vaunted legend; all of his films feature very solid elements that all combine to make most of his movies wonderful and cherished animes.

Certainly Miyazaki is the best Japanese anime movie director to capture the magic of the 80s and early 90s Disney animated films such as Beauty and the Best or The Lion King. His works have amazing appeal and a certain magic to them.

Why is it then that I still prefer the likes of Only Yesterday, or other films produced by Ghibli, but not directed by Miyazaki? These movies are more "mature" and just have stories that appeal to me more than the magical fantasies of Miyazaki's movies.

What I'm saying is, I'm not an anime critic, and I don't think anyone else here is qualified to be one. Anime, like movies and tv shows, is just far too subjective for there to be a universally agreed upon #1. What if a hardcore fundamentalist christian watched Cowboy Bebop? He'd hate it because of the profuse amount of violence and immorality. See, you can't please everyone.

 

[borghe]

so back to spring anime.. did anybody by chance see erementar gerard (I believe it aired already).

 

[duckroll]

so back to spring anime.. did anybody by chance see erementar gerard (I believe it aired already).

I'm downloading it. I saw the opening earlier, looks good. Light adventure feel with nice looking characters, cool weapons, airships, etc. Animation and music are good and I have a feeling I'll like the characters. More after I actually watch ep1.

 

[Zaptruder]

Fine. RahXephon, Escaflowne, sCRYed, Infinite Ryvius, Fullmetal Alchemist, Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex and GadGuard for starters. I'm only naming more recent shows since there's a higher chance more people would have seen them. Ok let's see, if you don't agree, that's your opinion. Hence exposing the entire flaw of this stupid holy proclaimation you're giving. :lol



And we're saying that since the world IS subjective, you're not incorrect.



Hahahahahahahaha. Last Exile has the worst fucking ending I've seen in some time. Seriously, this once again proves that since people won't agree on something, you can't be right about how something is the "best" at all. It can be your favorite but that doesn't mean we can't say we find something is better and be right.

Ok so now that I'm done pointing out why you're wrong again.... time for.... :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Your arguments are so fucking weak that all you can do is resort to using :lol, pretending like you have some knowitall substance behind your shit.

Fair enough that we've established that preferences is subjective;

but enough subjective preferences, and soon enough a picture of the objective 'truth' is established... after all, what is truth in this matter, but an absolute of how many people would enjoy it and how much they'd enjoy it?

Purely and unscientifically, but not without some statistical weight, from all the subjective appraisal of CB over the years, it would definetly rank in the highest tiers of appreciated and recognized classic animes.

In that region, you have a bunch of excellent animes... at this point, without large expensive statistical surveys, you can only assume that the anime in this tier is relatively equal, give or take subjective preferences due to genre.

What you can more easily debate and quantify at this point, rather than just a blanket, overall opinion of the show, are the individual elements of the show.

Not that the individual elements are immune to subjectivism, but then I challenge people to properly criticise the those individual elements and honestly tell me that they think it has some shit elements in it.

If you want to properly attack my argument, you'd have to attack the idea that the sum of all the polished parts, where no area is significantly flawed or deficient, contribute to pushing this anime above the rest of the pack, rather than taking the uncharitable and weak interpretation of the argument, where I think CB should be considered universally the best by all and must be enjoyed by all regardless of taste or preference.

 

[Pellham]

Purely and unscientifically, but not without some statistical weight, from all the subjective appraisal of CB over the years, it would definetly rank in the highest tiers of appreciated and recognized classic animes.

Cowboy Bebop tanked in Japan.

So by this logic, we can say that it's considered shit in Japan, but godly in the North American region and maybe Europe?

 

[Cloudy]

Cowboy Bebop series = *yawn*. The movie was great though

 

[duckroll]

Cowboy Bebop tanked in Japan.

So by this logic, we can say that it's considered shit in Japan, but godly in the North American region and maybe Europe?

By that logic Detective Conan, Inuyasha, Naruto and DBZ are the best anime in the world. :lol

 

[Zaptruder]

Cowboy Bebop tanked in Japan.

So by this logic, we can say that it's considered shit in Japan, but godly in the North American region and maybe Europe?

Probably; cultural differences do matter when it comes to tastes... but that said, how badly did it tank?

I mean... japan does churn out a bunch of shit from which we take the choice pickings... but if capitalism is any evidence of preference, then it seems like japan tends to enjoy a lot of shit, a long with some good stuff. So if they're too busy paying 50 bucks for shit anime, it would stand to reason that some good stuff goes under the radar!


But I digress, they're many reasons for the commercial success of something in whatever region... more often than not, they're not due to the quality of the product... I mean, if the quality was the only qualifier needed for success, then Planescape Torment would've done exceedingly well. On the other hand, a large sample size of positive appraisals from the sample size of appraisals does indicate a good amount of quality.

 

[borghe]

ok, here is a thought. how about making a thread solely about the awesomeness of cowboy bebop, and stop derailing this thread which is about the Spring Anime 2005 season, unless you know of some cowboy bebop show that is airing in japan this spring...

 

[Mugen]

I like Cowboy Bebop as much as Zap does but to say that it will never be topped ever again is asinine. There's other great animes that come close to it and have as much following as Bebop have but just because they aren't as vocal doesn't mean the their anime isn't as good either.

I think Cowboy Bebop is the best also but if other people say Berserk/Full Moon is the best ever then I totally see where they're coming from. An anime better than Bebop is already due anyways... how old is it? Close to 8 years? \

And duckroll, are you not or are you from HQA?

 

[duckroll]

I like Cowboy Bebop as much as Zap does but to say that it will never be topped ever again is asinine. There's other great animes that come close to it and have as much following as Bebop have but just because they aren't as vocal doesn't mean the their anime isn't as good either.

I think Cowboy Bebop is the best also but if other people say Berserk/Full Moon is the best ever then I totally see where they're coming from. An anime better than Bebop is already due anyways... how old is it? Close to 8 years? \

As borghe said, let's kill this topic and get back to Spring 2005 anime.

And duckroll, are you not or are you from HQA?

Yup I am/was/whatever. We don't really do anything anymore mostly because the fansub atmosphere has changed so much it's no longer of much point. It was fun back then though.

 

[Raven.]

full moon? What's that?

 

[Shouta]

If there's one thing that Bebop deserves a cookie for, its the high watchability the show has. It's no where near my Top 20 but the show does have its high points and is certainly something I can go back to watch if I ever feel like it which is more than I can say for some series.

 

[Bebpo]

EREMENTAR GERAD was ok I guess. Pretty much by the book shounen kid action story with slightly better than usual animation and a normal Kajiura score. I like the clothing design for the main girl's hair cloth thing, but otherwise the designs just feel generic and even rip off Guilty Gear (you have KY and MAY!). Luckily ep1 had ninjas. Lame ninjas, but still anyone ninja is better than no ninja,

So this season continues without a single good show in sight :\

Gainax please save us tomorrow.

 

[FnordChan]

Gainax please save us tomorrow.

Presumably you're joking.

FnordChan

 

[borghe]

well, knowing that I understand fewer than 50 words of japanese (probably much fewer)..

erementar gerard was as Bebpo says.. really by the numbers.. actually I thought the animation was a little less than average in many spots. however I have always been entertained by the numbers so unless the story is complete trash (assuming it is by the numbers also) I will probably follow it (as soon as it is subbed). there is just something about the whole generic anime action type thing that I have always found fun.

I would like to say that for me the music stuck out in some spots... the entire air raid thing in the beginning had a decent score and the brief sword fight at the end had what started out decent (but ended abruptly).

give it a shot.. some of the more critical viewers here might be put off of it but some of the less discerning viewers might actually enjoy it. though bebop it's not! *runs*

 

[Mugen]

full moon? What's that?

Full Moon wo Sagashite = shoujo anime

 

[duckroll]

Erementar rocked. I really dug it, story, characters, score, animation. It's by the books but by the GOOD books. Maybe it just seems all the better since I watched Aquarion yesterday.

Air pirates vs ninajs vs Guilty Gear crew (May, Ky Kiske, female Testament) for teh win! :lol :lol

Weapon designs rocked too!

 

[Crazymoogle]

Presumably you're joking.
FnordChan

I was going to say the same thing. Relying on GAINAX to rescue us is, well, desperate by any measure. -_-;

I would trade the entire new season for subs of all 52 Keroro Gunsou eps (or is it ongoing even further now?)

 

[borghe]

cool.. I can't wait for it to be translated. I actually stuck through the whole episode understanding very little..

unlike aquarion which I became bored with less than 10 minutes in. though I did completely enjoy the music in aquarion. (p.s. this pretty much sums up my feelings on aquarion)

can't wait for EG to be subbed.

 

[Bebpo]

Presumably you're joking.

FnordChan

Going by Gainax lately you'd think I would be, but I still consider Gainax to be a huge wildcard and if they do good...it's really good.

 

[FnordChan]

Going by Gainax lately you'd think I would be, but I still consider Gainax to be a huge wildcard and if they do good...it's really good.

The show is called "He Is My Master". No good can come of this.

FnordChan

 

[Shouta]

Might as well call that "Cum all over my face Master!".

 

[Dead]

Going by Gainax lately you'd think I would be, but I still consider Gainax to be a huge wildcard and if they do good...it's really good.

Bebpo please I love gainax, I really do. Theyre responsible for most of my favorite shows ever. But how can you seriously expect He is my master to be anything but dross, nevermind the source materiel, but how can you expect anything *remotely* decent from Shouji Saeki?
At least we got Re: Cutie Honey, and debatebly MoO, last year to make up for that which shall not be named what else does Gainax have this year? Bushilord? HAW!

*this will all be void of course if Tsurumaki can not fuck up Top wo Nerae 2 which, doesnt seem likely unfortunately....

And yeah, saw aquarion.....umm great music CG is decent, the ED was fantastic but umm...yeah....ill still persevere through the next few episodes but im not enthralled...

 

[Bebpo]

Bebpo please I love gainax, I really do. Theyre responsible for most of my favorite shows ever. But how can you seriously expect He is my master to be anything but dross, nevermind the source materiel, but how can you expect anything *remotely* decent from Shouji Saeki?

The man made Honneamise, he may be getting progressively worse but he has talent deep down inside. Plus Gainax has always been good at the comedy/fanservice combo; it's only when it comes to plotting do they have issues with their recent series. The trailer on the webpage at least attempts to make it seem like an all out comedy/fanservice show aka Abenobashi...which gives me a little hope that it could turn out well.

Also this season fucking sucks so far, therefore any show that is good will be elevated a bit to offshoot the disappointment from everything else.

*this will all be void of course if Tsurumaki can not fuck up Top wo Nerae 2 which, doesnt seem likely unfortunately....

Already fucked up and I doubt ep3 will fix it.

 

[Shouta]

At least Bushilord has Kou Yoshinari for the character designer, let's hope s/he produces something that isn't trash =P.

 

[Dead]

The man made Honneamase, he may be getting progressively worse but he has talent deep down inside. Plus Gainax has always been good at the comedy/fanservice combo; it's only when it comes to plotting do they have issues with their recent series. The trailer on the webpage at least attempts to make it seem like an all out comedy/fanservice show aka Abenobashi...which gives me a little hope that it could turn out well.

Also this season fucking sucks so far, therefore any show that is good will be elevated a bit to offshoot the disappointment from everything else.



Already fucked up and I doubt ep3 will fix it.

?? Saeki didnt direct Honneamise, that was Yamaga, who himself spiraled into shittiness with Mahoromatic.... (I can never forget when I learned the man who directed WoH was the same person who helmed mahoro. It was tragic)
I dunno, ill watch it, but im not expecting anything....


Err, still havent seen Top ep 2, you better be wrong

 

[Luscious LeftFoot]

I skimmed through a few chapters from He is my master before, the story seems to be lacking but they're are some elements that could make it into a decent comedy.

It would probably take a lot of creative licensing on gainax's part and frankly, I don't know if they're up to the task.