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Spring '05 Anime Season
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I was going to skip Ichigo 100% because I've read random manga chapters while reading jumps and it never appealed to me, but since the anime is Madhouse I gave it a shot.
Pretty good! Madhouse seems like they have a specific direction they want to use with the show. It's kinda like a cheesy 50/60's romance angle aka I love Lucy/Feel The Magic. Also Sugimura Kenichi must be done recording for ToL since he has a lot of dialogue here. Great actor as always and that really helps the show. With nice Madhouse animation this was the first show this season which didn't feel lame. I'll keep watching unless to see where Madhouse goes with it.
I'll check out Gokujo Seitokai (pretty solid staff), and Eyeshield 21 tonight. Might watch Loveless despite the heavy yaoi look just because it's JC Staff and they can be quite good at times.
Pretty good! Madhouse seems like they have a specific direction they want to use with the show. It's kinda like a cheesy 50/60's romance angle aka I love Lucy/Feel The Magic. Also Sugimura Kenichi must be done recording for ToL since he has a lot of dialogue here. Great actor as always and that really helps the show. With nice Madhouse animation this was the first show this season which didn't feel lame. I'll keep watching unless to see where Madhouse goes with it.
I'll check out Gokujo Seitokai (pretty solid staff), and Eyeshield 21 tonight. Might watch Loveless despite the heavy yaoi look just because it's JC Staff and they can be quite good at times.
I was skimming through raws and from what I saw; Futakoi Alternative fucking rocks, Gokujo Seitokai seems interesting, heard lots of familiar seiyuu voices in that one, and Futagoi Hime is sickingly cute, as for everything else....meh. Haven't seen Karas yet, though.
Still I'll have to wait for fansubs to form proper opinion.
Still I'll have to wait for fansubs to form proper opinion.
Couldn't make it past 5 mins of Eyeshield 21. I'll leave that for someone else.
Gokujo was ok. Like Erementar it was a traditional by the numbers anime, this time a comedy. The animation and music is fine and the script is ok, but despite the various jokes I never laughed
If you've seen the director's last work, "Sensei no ojikan" you have a good idea of how this show will be. Personally I think the guy is weak on his comic timing and his shows are slightly amusing but never LOL funny. Probably gonna skip the show from now on.
Loveless was good! The art kicked ass, the music is fine, and the direction was interesting. Definitely the most interesting show yet this season. It's not fantastic as there was a decent amount of psychic force cliche and yaoi cliche and there's a supposedly 6th grade girl who is a bit too errrr top-heavy. But seems interesting and the art/direction mix was effective. Looking forward to this series and if you can put up with a little guy/guy action this is a good watch.
Gokujo was ok. Like Erementar it was a traditional by the numbers anime, this time a comedy. The animation and music is fine and the script is ok, but despite the various jokes I never laughed
If you've seen the director's last work, "Sensei no ojikan" you have a good idea of how this show will be. Personally I think the guy is weak on his comic timing and his shows are slightly amusing but never LOL funny. Probably gonna skip the show from now on.Loveless was good! The art kicked ass, the music is fine, and the direction was interesting. Definitely the most interesting show yet this season. It's not fantastic as there was a decent amount of psychic force cliche and yaoi cliche and there's a supposedly 6th grade girl who is a bit too errrr top-heavy. But seems interesting and the art/direction mix was effective. Looking forward to this series and if you can put up with a little guy/guy action this is a good watch.
Ok I watched Speed Grapher. Can't really give a positive or negative impression yet but I'm -definitely- watching ep2. The premise is just so off the wall and random and strange that it sucked me in. It was like watching a sci-fi occult mystery thriller version of Eyes Wide Shut, if that made any sense at all. :lol
Animation was good and the characters are pretty interesting, the entire premise is just plain insane, but if they can pull this off, it could be a very very interesting show. The opening theme song is Duran Duran's "Girls on Film", to add to the weirdness.
Animation was good and the characters are pretty interesting, the entire premise is just plain insane, but if they can pull this off, it could be a very very interesting show. The opening theme song is Duran Duran's "Girls on Film", to add to the weirdness.
Luscious LeftFoot
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Dead said:
***Adds to "viewing" list.
Doesn't seem like there's much of anything to watch this season.
Gokujo was ok. Like Erementar it was a traditional by the numbers anime, this time a comedy. The animation and music is fine and the script is ok, but despite the various jokes I never laughed
hmm i'm a big fan of sensei no ojikan so i think i'll check Gokujo out.
Smiles and Cries
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Ichigo 100% OVA = sucked so bad it made me cry
Why do they do this to beloved mangas?
Why do they do this to beloved mangas?
Speed Grapher was not bad. It's wasn't great but it was entertaining and not as stupid as most Gonzo works. Music was good stuff.
He's My Master was nice. I tend to like everything Gainax so I enjoyed the show despite flaws. The animation is the usually pretty Gainax animation where you can pause the show at any time and it would be a nice still. Comedy was cute and I liked the characters. It's nice that the lead guy isn't a sappy girl-scared wimp, but rather a devious perverted kid with money. Easier to like the guy. Only complaint is that they didn't wrap up the opening story in ep1 so the last 5 mins of ep1 just kinda keep going and then the credits roll. But I'll definitely stick all the way through it like I do with everything Gainax.
He's My Master was nice. I tend to like everything Gainax so I enjoyed the show despite flaws. The animation is the usually pretty Gainax animation where you can pause the show at any time and it would be a nice still. Comedy was cute and I liked the characters. It's nice that the lead guy isn't a sappy girl-scared wimp, but rather a devious perverted kid with money. Easier to like the guy. Only complaint is that they didn't wrap up the opening story in ep1 so the last 5 mins of ep1 just kinda keep going and then the credits roll. But I'll definitely stick all the way through it like I do with everything Gainax.
bloke said:
Holy @$R# yes it does! I was gonna skip it since I never watched Futakoi and assumed it was just another harem show but after you wrote that I checked it out and it's almost as high budget action packed as Champloo! Amazing animation for a TV budget, tons of action, good direction. Best show this season by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Yay for random insane shows
Yea it's crazy, I saw raw twice, I'll probably do same with fansub. It's like ROD meets Gunslinger Girl meets Sister Princess meets Excel Saga.Bebpo said:Holy @$R# yes it does! I was gonna skip it since I never watched Futakoi and assumed it was just another harem show but after you wrote that I checked it out and it's almost as high budget action packed as Champloo! Amazing animation for a TV budget, tons of action, good direction. Best show this season by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Yay for random insane shows
Lot of people overlooked the fact that FA is made by Ufotable (Shinobuden, Dokkoida...) and there are rumors that Nabeshin has to do something with it aswell (father of that main character actually has afro, hmmm ;D)
In a meantime also saw He's my Master; show's actually quite promising, not some blatant ecchi crap, I think I already like it better than Mahoromatic.
Wow, I'll definately give futakoi alternative a shot now. As said above I thought it was just a continuation of futakoi. Buuuut, I'm getting sick of dling raws in 0-1k speeds, guess it'll be out any day now seeing it's probably good.
BTW. Don't bother with Loveless unless you're into boy-boy love. Kinda interesting how everyone virgin still has cat ears though.
Edit: Oh fuck! Speed Grapher rocked! Go download the Shinsen subs version, now!
BTW. Don't bother with Loveless unless you're into boy-boy love.
Kinda interesting how everyone virgin still has cat ears though. Edit: Oh fuck! Speed Grapher rocked! Go download the Shinsen subs version, now!
Wow Tsubasa Chronicle didn't suck! What the fuck?! The animation budget looked pretty high, and overall it was a pretty straight adaptation of the manga.
Pros:
+ Great animation
+ Great colors
+ Most of the BGM was good
+ Better than .hack//SIGN + Avenger + MADLAX + Meine Liebe
+ Most of the voices were excellent
Cons:
- Sakura's voice sucks
- Some of the BGM is just too loud and noisy like in MADLAX, Noir and .hack//SIGN
- ED animation has bad CGI
- Chii's voice sucks
So yeah, I'll be watching ep2 too. OMG!
Pros:
+ Great animation
+ Great colors
+ Most of the BGM was good
+ Better than .hack//SIGN + Avenger + MADLAX + Meine Liebe
+ Most of the voices were excellent
Cons:
- Sakura's voice sucks
- Some of the BGM is just too loud and noisy like in MADLAX, Noir and .hack//SIGN
- ED animation has bad CGI
- Chii's voice sucks
So yeah, I'll be watching ep2 too. OMG!
So, thoughts on Tsubasa
- Boring. Typical slow as shit pacing that I honestly didnt expect from a bee train show
- Sakuras voice is really bad.
- Music was barely above average, most of it felt as if Kajiura dug through the trash bin of rejected .hack//sign music.
- Animation is indeed quite good as expected and the character designs are nicely adapted from the manga.
- OP sucks, ED is unremarkable.
- Definately seems to be as straightforward as possible in terms of the adaptation, but 1 ep isnt enough to judge that.
Bring on the xxxholic movie now
- Boring. Typical slow as shit pacing that I honestly didnt expect from a bee train show
- Sakuras voice is really bad.
- Music was barely above average, most of it felt as if Kajiura dug through the trash bin of rejected .hack//sign music.
- Animation is indeed quite good as expected and the character designs are nicely adapted from the manga.
- OP sucks, ED is unremarkable.
- Definately seems to be as straightforward as possible in terms of the adaptation, but 1 ep isnt enough to judge that.
Bring on the xxxholic movie now
Yeah i agree with most of that. Except in some places the animation seemed pretty bad, just the way they drew the characters.duckroll said:Wow Tsubasa Chronicle didn't suck! What the fuck?! The animation budget looked pretty high, and overall it was a pretty straight adaptation of the manga.
Pros:
+ Great animation
+ Great colors
+ Most of the BGM was good
+ Better than .hack//SIGN + Avenger + MADLAX + Meine Liebe
+ Most of the voices were excellent
Cons:
- Sakura's voice sucks
- Some of the BGM is just too loud and noisy like in MADLAX, Noir and .hack//SIGN
- ED animation has bad CGI
- Chii's voice sucks
So yeah, I'll be watching ep2 too. OMG!
EDIT: OH yeah sakura's voice was awful.
Even if the Tsubasa anime was amazingly awesome, the series would still be doomed as it's just gonna follow the manga and become repetitive, pointless, and lame
Tsubasa was a neat manga until CLAMP saw the $$$ come in and realized they could just stretch it for a long time and roll in the dough.
Tsubasa was a neat manga until CLAMP saw the $$$ come in and realized they could just stretch it for a long time and roll in the dough.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I take all the bad things I said about Ichigo I download the stupid OVACloudy said:Ichigo = rawks
Today I found the TV version - WOOT!!!
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After watching Speed Grapher I feel like I want to start doing some serious drugs
I swear I need a hit WTF
Smiles and Cries
Member
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol OMG!
When did this come out?
Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan
http://www.bin-kan.com/main.php
I don't think I can watch another ep of this anime
Think School Rumble meets South Park with bloody gore
wait both of those shows are smart this one is just too stupid to compare
So stupid it rocked :lol
When did this come out?
Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan
http://www.bin-kan.com/main.php
I don't think I can watch another ep of this anime
Think School Rumble meets South Park with bloody gore
wait both of those shows are smart this one is just too stupid to compare
So stupid it rocked :lol
well, I saw the sub for erementar gerard... god damn that show is a lot of fun... can't wait for the next episode.
speed grapher is also subbed. Waiting for Futakoi Alternative though from what you guys are saying.
saw aquarion translated.. yeah, still the same impression. justnot that great. ugly mech designs, and kind of silly. though I still enjoyed the music.
speed grapher is also subbed. Waiting for Futakoi Alternative though from what you guys are saying.
saw aquarion translated.. yeah, still the same impression. justnot that great. ugly mech designs, and kind of silly. though I still enjoyed the music.
Watched Tsubasa. While I'm not a huge fan of the manga, I am a huge fan of CLAMP and from the moment Bee Train was named as the production studio for Tsubasa many fears were founded. After watching what Bee Train has accomplished with Tsubasa, I just have to say to the studio:
While my reaction to the show is probably quite different from the reaction of normal anime fans, it is the correct reaction of CLAMP fans which are the people supporting CLAMP who is giving Bee Train permission to make this disgrace of history.
First issue: They didn't bother to get ANY OF THE VOICE ACTORS. CLAMP fans while reading Tsubasa imagine the voices of the characters to be just like they were from their various shows. Bee Train didn't even bother to get similar sounding people. Sakura, instead of being a cute kawaii female is now just an older ditzy broad. Her brother, who was a wise-cracking likeable guy through the voice of Tomokazu Seki has become a serious knightly person. There should be reasons why they didn't get the various people, but considering all the seiyuu are still active in the business it's not like they couldn't have gotten at least one or two. Not getting anyone is just a terrible choice.
Second issue: The art is Bee Train. Forget CLAMP-style now you are watching BEE TRAIN-style. Massive use of browns, whites, mixes of colors between brown and white. Basically the exact same color scheme as Madlax. This goes strongly against the strong clashing colors that CLAMP uses in the manga. CLAMP uses strong blue and black, strong red and black, they color so that the images stand out. Bee Train makes everything look faded and dull. Fuck them, they suck. Then you have the actual designs which have taken a nose dive and some of the characters barely resemble who they're supposed to be. So you have a different looking character with a different voice and the only thing that connects them to being a cameo from another series is that they share the same name. Unlike the manga I found it hard to even connect and feel that this was Sakura and Li. They could be Sally and Frank for all that matters since their art and voices are shit. Other things that come along with Bee Train is weak animation that's mainly panning and horrible voice direction as everyone sounds stiff and just bad.
Third issue: Direction sucks. Ok, so you have Li introduced for 15 secs and he looks at a picture and then cut to a still frame of Li and his father and then cuts back...what? Tsubasa is filled with countless amatuerish cuts and just an overall weak sense of direction. It's like they gave this to the new guy and he just looked at the manga panels and repeated what they did without think about how anime has things like pacing.
So basically they came through on screwing up almost everything. The colors are shit, the art is off, the voices suck, the pacing is bad. You know, one thing that makes CLAMP art good is that you can take a panel from most of their manga and it's probably a nice piece of art. Take a look at the X TV anime by madhouse to see a good example of bringing this over to animation while maintaining gorgeous coloring and nice visuals. Heck, even though I thought the Chobits anime was bad for basically creating a ton of filler eps, the actual transfer of the art from manga -> anime was nicely done. Bee Train is by far the worst animation studio currently making shows, so giving a CLAMP piece to them was just an idiotic decision. At least XXXholic is being done by Production IG who, besides Blood, usually is good at mixing artistic visuals with good animation.
On the plus side, I'll admit the Kajiura soundtrack was a lot nicer than her Erementar one and it was pretty solid. It would've been interesting to see what a good director could've done with mixing her music into the scenes.
So yea, I hate Bee Train and I hope they go bankrupt and stop making shitty anime all because they've destroyed something CLAMP and as a CLAMP fanatic I hate them for it with all my soul.
PS. If you don't give a shit either way about CLAMP you'll probably like the show.
While my reaction to the show is probably quite different from the reaction of normal anime fans, it is the correct reaction of CLAMP fans which are the people supporting CLAMP who is giving Bee Train permission to make this disgrace of history.
First issue: They didn't bother to get ANY OF THE VOICE ACTORS. CLAMP fans while reading Tsubasa imagine the voices of the characters to be just like they were from their various shows. Bee Train didn't even bother to get similar sounding people. Sakura, instead of being a cute kawaii female is now just an older ditzy broad. Her brother, who was a wise-cracking likeable guy through the voice of Tomokazu Seki has become a serious knightly person. There should be reasons why they didn't get the various people, but considering all the seiyuu are still active in the business it's not like they couldn't have gotten at least one or two. Not getting anyone is just a terrible choice.
Second issue: The art is Bee Train. Forget CLAMP-style now you are watching BEE TRAIN-style. Massive use of browns, whites, mixes of colors between brown and white. Basically the exact same color scheme as Madlax. This goes strongly against the strong clashing colors that CLAMP uses in the manga. CLAMP uses strong blue and black, strong red and black, they color so that the images stand out. Bee Train makes everything look faded and dull. Fuck them, they suck. Then you have the actual designs which have taken a nose dive and some of the characters barely resemble who they're supposed to be. So you have a different looking character with a different voice and the only thing that connects them to being a cameo from another series is that they share the same name. Unlike the manga I found it hard to even connect and feel that this was Sakura and Li. They could be Sally and Frank for all that matters since their art and voices are shit. Other things that come along with Bee Train is weak animation that's mainly panning and horrible voice direction as everyone sounds stiff and just bad.
Third issue: Direction sucks. Ok, so you have Li introduced for 15 secs and he looks at a picture and then cut to a still frame of Li and his father and then cuts back...what? Tsubasa is filled with countless amatuerish cuts and just an overall weak sense of direction. It's like they gave this to the new guy and he just looked at the manga panels and repeated what they did without think about how anime has things like pacing.
So basically they came through on screwing up almost everything. The colors are shit, the art is off, the voices suck, the pacing is bad. You know, one thing that makes CLAMP art good is that you can take a panel from most of their manga and it's probably a nice piece of art. Take a look at the X TV anime by madhouse to see a good example of bringing this over to animation while maintaining gorgeous coloring and nice visuals. Heck, even though I thought the Chobits anime was bad for basically creating a ton of filler eps, the actual transfer of the art from manga -> anime was nicely done. Bee Train is by far the worst animation studio currently making shows, so giving a CLAMP piece to them was just an idiotic decision. At least XXXholic is being done by Production IG who, besides Blood, usually is good at mixing artistic visuals with good animation.
On the plus side, I'll admit the Kajiura soundtrack was a lot nicer than her Erementar one and it was pretty solid. It would've been interesting to see what a good director could've done with mixing her music into the scenes.
So yea, I hate Bee Train and I hope they go bankrupt and stop making shitty anime all because they've destroyed something CLAMP and as a CLAMP fanatic I hate them for it with all my soul.
PS. If you don't give a shit either way about CLAMP you'll probably like the show.
I dunno, I mean in the end these ARE NOT the same characters, so I think its pretty underdstandable why they went with new voices. I just wish they chose some that......sucked less, Sakura specifically as already noted....
No doubt, Koichi Mashimo is a terrible director, proven countless times now, his sense of pacing is just terrible and this was no different as compared to the rest of crap at Bee Train. Seriously, no good could come of this, hearing Mashimo and Bee Train were behind this basically destroyed any expectations I had ;_;
Man, ive been wishing this for quite a while to be honest :lol
Dead said:
Granted, Mashimo has directed a whole lotta crap in his time. However, he also directed Irresponsible Captain Tylor and for that you've gotta give him full props. He's obviously capable of doing fantastic work. I just don't expect said fantastic work to come out of Bee Train, which has a record of sucking at anything but in-between animation for other, better studios.
FnordChan
that was what 10+ years ago? Im sorry, but fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice shame on uhh me? Fool me thrice...oh fuck you!FnordChan said:
I dont think its fair to lay all the blame on the studio, and besides we cant fairly blame them unless we see a Bee Train show that ISN'T directed by Mashimo. When the same man is responsible for Noir, .hack, AVENGER, and jesus...Madlax, then I can't honestly expect any good to ever come out of him again, despite the fact he made a decent show or two ten years ago, it's absurd.
Dead said:
No...but it is fun!
I know what you're saying, and under almost any other circumstances I'd agree with you - but Tylor is fucking glorious, so I have to hope that if Mashimo stops hanging out with the "wrong crowd" then he can direct a good cartoon again.
Granted, Madlax doesn't help his case any. Woo boy.
FnordChan
Shouta said:
Well you do realize that Mashimo is the ONLY director at Bee Train right? That being the case when you direct over 20 shows, you're bound to have a few that aren't horrible. He just doesn't have a consistant record at all which proves he just isn't a very good director. Joel Schumacher directed some decent movies too, that doesn't mean he doesn't suck ass as a director either.
Oh and I think Bebpo was just looking for something to hate regarding Tsubasa, I love CLAMP and I actually enjoy the manga and I felt the adaptation was pretty good. Sakura's voice sucks though.
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