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Spring '05 Anime Season

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FnordChan

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AHHHHHHHHHH! GREATEST ANIME NEWS EVER!

"New Pataliro Anime (2005-03-30 10:03:50)
Maya Mineo's "Pataliro Seiyuki!" is to be made into a TV series scheduled to air June this year on Kids Station. The manga was previously animated as Boku Pataliro!, broadcast on Fuji TV in 1982."


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*clap-clap clap-clap*

Dare ga korashita Cock Robin! Dare ga korashita Cock Robin!

FnordChan
 

slayn

needs to show more effort.
this has nothign to do with the spring season... but then being on topic in this thread isn't exactly a trend amongst my posts, so why start now?

I was thinking about champloo and samurai anime in general and how I'm not aware of any other recent samurai shows. And then I tried to think back to the last samurai show I actually watched, and somehow I managed to remember this show I liked that I only saw 2 episodes of and can't remember the name of.

I seem to recall it having a name in japanese, somehow having to do with wind maybe?

main character was a female samurai that starts off episode one sleeping under a tree or something and then 3 guys try to rob her and she beats the crap out of them.

I also remember some sort of cat girl fighting with hands and feat.

anyone know the name of that anime or know what happened to it? Was it licencsed/subbed, was it any good?
 

Mugen

Banned
slayn said:
this has nothign to do with the spring season... but then being on topic in this thread isn't exactly a trend amongst my posts, so why start now?

I was thinking about champloo and samurai anime in general and how I'm not aware of any other recent samurai shows. And then I tried to think back to the last samurai show I actually watched, and somehow I managed to remember this show I liked that I only saw 2 episodes of and can't remember the name of.

I seem to recall it having a name in japanese, somehow having to do with wind maybe?

main character was a female samurai that starts off episode one sleeping under a tree or something and then 3 guys try to rob her and she beats the crap out of them.

I also remember some sort of cat girl fighting with hands and feat.

anyone know the name of that anime or know what happened to it? Was it licencsed/subbed, was it any good?

Jubei Chan?
 

Swordian

Member
slayn said:
this has nothign to do with the spring season... but then being on topic in this thread isn't exactly a trend amongst my posts, so why start now?

I was thinking about champloo and samurai anime in general and how I'm not aware of any other recent samurai shows. And then I tried to think back to the last samurai show I actually watched, and somehow I managed to remember this show I liked that I only saw 2 episodes of and can't remember the name of.

I seem to recall it having a name in japanese, somehow having to do with wind maybe?

main character was a female samurai that starts off episode one sleeping under a tree or something and then 3 guys try to rob her and she beats the crap out of them.

I also remember some sort of cat girl fighting with hands and feat.

anyone know the name of that anime or know what happened to it? Was it licencsed/subbed, was it any good?

Tsukikage Ran - Carried by the Wind
http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=PIO011803

4 DVD series.
 

Bebpo

Banned
Emma ep1 was pretty bad. The writing between the two lead characters was obnoxiously bad and unrealistic and just ARGHH SO STUPID. Also the director or someone decided that everytime there was a conversation there should be long pauses after each line of dialogue. @_@ Boo..
 

Chrono

Banned
According to A-K the first episode aired on pay-per-view (only ep1 was planned for ppv). They have a raw but apparently the quality sucks so they're waiting for the DVD release.
 

duckroll

Member
Chrono said:
Bebpo did you see Karas?

I did, and here are my thoughts:

[06:27] <duckroll> re: Karas
[06:27] <duckroll> a) i've seen this before when it was called Soultaker :p
[06:27] <duckroll> b) way too artsy
[06:28] <duckroll> c) tons of people will find it OMFG FUCKING COOL
[06:28] <duckroll> d) i like it better when shmups are arcade games instead of anime
 

duckroll

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Bebpo said:
Damn, now you got me interested. Gotta check that out tonight :)

Don't get your hopes up, it just reminded me of stuff like Senkou no Rondo and Shikigami no Shirou, where you have human sized characters with both range weapons with tons of bullets and melee weapons just flying around fighting and blocking each other. I didn't like it much at all, but it was VERY flashy. The CGI really stands out but the designs are pretty good.
 

sprsk

force push the doodoo rock
i had a feeling emma was gonna end up that way. oh well, i guess im only watchin mecha this season.
 

Cloudy

Banned
I DL-ed the first ep of Sukisyo w/o reading anything about it cos it was listed with some shows I'm downloading this season on some blog. Big mistake :lol

Geez, I didn't know there were gay anime comedies (at least it seemed like a comedy halfway through) o_O
 

Chrono

Banned
borghe said:
I see RAWs are also up for KoiKoi 7 and MAR. Anyone check those two out yet?

I d/l the raw for Mar and watched a few minutes. Didn't really like it, just typical shounen stuff. Doesn't look bad though. I mean I didn't understand anything anyway. :lol

We need duckroll impressions here.
 

duckroll

Member
Chrono said:
I d/l the raw for Mar and watched a few minutes. Didn't really like it, just typical shounen stuff. Doesn't look bad though. I mean I didn't understand anything anyway. :lol

We need duckroll impressions here.

Sorry, I'm skipping MAR, it's not my cup of tea at all. Aquarion just aired, so I'm on that now, should have impressions tomorrow-ish.
 

FnordChan

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Luscious LeftFoot said:
I thinks it's Shounen-Ai, Yaoi deals with more "physical" relationships. I could be wrong though.

Shounen Ai = Pretty boys in love, with an emphasis on romance
Yaoi = Pretty boys screwing each others brains out, with a cheerful disregard for plot

Yaoi is an acronym for "Yami-nasi, Ochi-nashi, Imi-nashi", or "No climax, no plot, no meaning." Alternately, it means "yameteyo, oshiri ittai" or "ow, my ass hurts". To quote Foghorn Leghorn, that's a joke, son.

Yaoi is not gay porn, as it's aimed at a generally het female audience; the gay male reaction to yaoi is generally to be terribly amused. Smiles, women dig this for obvious reasons. They like pretty boys, they like pretty boys having sex, and why have women get in the way when the pretty boys could be screwing each other instead?

And there you have it.

FnordChan, who's been to YaoiCon
 

FnordChan

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Shouta said:

Well, duh. Did you actually watch an episode to determine this? I was pretty happy to go with my original kneejerk reaction without bothering to judge the quality of the series for myself...

FnordChan
 

Shouta

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I read the MAR manga and that sucked so by association, the anime sucks.

and I still find it creepy after all these years that you went to YaoiCon =P.
 

FnordChan

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Shouta said:
I read the MAR manga and that sucked so by association, the anime sucks.

Right. I'm still suprised you put yourself through the manga, but I suppose you can flip through bad manga faster than you can sit through bad anime.

and I still find it creepy after all these years that you went to YaoiCon =P.

I went to a con that where the attendees were 3/4 female and everyone was over 18. What's not to like?

FnordChan
 

duckroll

Member
Ok Aquarion was fucking terrible. Nothing in the show was original at all, and it was a mishmash of really over-serious Fafner/Eva/ArgentSoma style retardation and really lame attempts at slapstick humor that just falls flat. The music had some good moments but overally really disappointing too. The main character is fucking lame, and so are all the mecha designs. I'm never fucking watching another episode of this again.

DELETE! >_<
 

Bebpo

Banned
Hmmm, watched Karas myself.

Basically if you can deal with the IN YOUR FACE STYLISH EVERY SECOND style without making a big deal about it, then it's a really enjoyable action/horror OAV with some great visuals and good action. Reminded me a lot of Korean young filmmakers that are all trying to look cool and show off but because of that all their films suck. But there are enough interesting shots and well-done scenes that I personally was able to accept it. It's stupid but enjoyable and pretty enough that even the jaded bitter anime watchers like myself will be able to let up their guard and say "ok, this is kinda fun. I'll just kick back and enjoy".

Also I give it some credit because I have never in my life enjoyed character 3d CG in anime. I think every instance of a character/mecha being 3d looks fucking retarded and has no place in 2d animation. But Karas is the first time I enjoyed the CG action, it was handled pretty nicely and could almost be mistaken for 2d in some scenes. It also let the fights be really fluid and look pretty good. Impressed.

Music was really good! Sounded like the original Batman score and I was pleased that it was not filled with stupid j-popy beats but rather a nice orchestra-type sound.

Lastly besides being the same genre, I wouldn't compare it to Soul Taker at all. Soul Taker had a more refined comic-book looking style. The frames would often look like abstract paintings. Karas's style is like Matrix, Max Payne with slow motion; freeze frames; speeding up; and other fancy effects. Very different look and approach, but interesting none the less.
 
Bebpo said:
Hmmm, watched Karas myself.
Also I give it some credit because I have never in my life enjoyed character 3d CG in anime. I think every instance of a character/mecha being 3d looks fucking retarded and has no place in 2d animation.

Er...are you actually including Stand Alone Complex in that assessment or do you merely speak of human character 3D CG?
 

Bebpo

Banned
Crazymoogle said:
Er...are you actually including Stand Alone Complex in that assessment or do you merely speak of human character 3D CG?

Hmm, well I guess I wasn't really thinking about the Tachikomas which do look great. I mean I don't mind when objects are 3d like trains, cars, tanks, etc...but I hate 3d mecha like Vandread or Aquarian, 3d monsters like Arjuna, or 3d characters like errr...I don't think I've actually stuck through anything with 3d characters ^^;
 
I hate to say it...But after watching the 26th episode of Cowboy Bebop...I'm never going to watch another anime again. No anime could ever top those 26 episodes of anime perfection in my book. Cowboy Bebop will forever live on in my heart, as one of the greatest series of all time.
 

Pellham

Banned
I hate to say it...But after watching the 26th episode of Cowboy Bebop...I'm never going to watch another anime again. No anime could ever top those 26 episodes of anime perfection in my book. Cowboy Bebop will forever live on in my heart, as one of the greatest series of all time.

That's like saying "After watching Citizen Kane I will never watch another movie again because no other movie could possibly come close to it."

:p
 

Bebpo

Banned
ToyMachine228 said:
I hate to say it...But after watching the 26th episode of Cowboy Bebop...I'm never going to watch another anime again. No anime could ever top those 26 episodes of anime perfection in my book. Cowboy Bebop will forever live on in my heart, as one of the greatest series of all time.

meh, good but flawed.

Go watch some Goro anime (Ryvius, S.Cry.Ed, Planetes) or some Daichi anime (Kodomo no Omocha, Jubei-chan 2, Fruits Basket) or Oshii-written anime (Jin-roh, GiTS:SAC 2nd Gig). Watanabe's a great director and a solid writer but he's just one talented guy in an industry with a handful of amazing people. Just because you love Scorsese films doesn't mean you won't also love P.T. Anderson films. :) Goro Taniguchi is the most talented Japanese director since Kurosawa IMHO and anyone who isn't floored by his directing is crazy.
 

Dead

well not really...yet
Bebpo said:
meh, good but flawed.

Go watch some Goro anime (Ryvius, S.Cry.Ed, Planetes) or some Daichi anime (Kodomo no Omocha, Jubei-chan 2, Fruits Basket) or Oshii-written anime (Jin-roh, GiTS:SAC 2nd Gig). Watanabe's a great director and a solid writer but he's just one talented guy in an industry with a handful of amazing people. Just because you love Scorsese films doesn't mean you won't also love P.T. Anderson films. :) Goro Tanaguchi is the most talented Japanese director since Kurosawa IMHO and anyone who isn't floored by his directing is crazy.
Haha, a bit of hyperbole no? In any case, Goro does indeed rock. Duckroll mentioned a while back that he was directing Gun X Sword, which I had no idea about, so theres at least one thing to look forward to this year!

Dissapointed to hear about Aquarion, though what was to be expected after Arjuna? :p Anyways im going to watch the RAW when I get the chance tonight.
 

Bebpo

Banned
Dead said:
Haha, a bit of hyperbole no? In any case, Goro does indeed rock. Duckroll mentioned a while back that he was directing Gun X Sword, which I had no idea about, so theres at least one thing to look forward to this year!

Yea I can't wait for GunxSword, I expect it to be the best show of 2005 and it'll be interesting to see an AIC Goro vs. the old Sunrise Goro. Hopefully switching studios was to give him more artistic freedom and hopefully he won't get screwed by AIC.

Dissapointed to hear about Aquarion, though what was to be expected after Arjuna? :p Anyways im going to watch the RAW when I get the chance tonight.

I'll never have any expectations of shows from "I haven't done anything that wasn't a fucked up mess since Macross Plus and even that was partly thanks to Watanabe" Kawamori Shoji. Especially since he became fond of 3D CG IS COOL, the man is not in my good director book.
 

Bebpo

Banned
Shouta said:
I don't really see where Taniguchi gets the praise myself.

He gets praise because he knows:

--How to use music. I am a very musical person myself so I find this very important. Goro synchs every scene to music perfectly. I have never seen a director better at doing this to date even in live-action with music video directors. He always hits matches the notes to the emotions and truly understands how music is part of the flow of an ep.

--He knows pacing. He cuts all his scenes at perfect lengths. There are never scenes that drag, nor are there scenes that feel rushed. He knows how much time a scene or cut should last and this gives all of his works excellent pacing.

--He is the best voice director in anime. Maybe he doesn't directly influence the voice actors/actresses in his works, but it seems like something beyond coincidence that in his 3 works the featured seiyuu always seem to give the best performances of their careers.

--He is very meticulous about the overall script planning of his shows. If you look at his 3 shows from a distance you can see how even from ep1 he knows exactly how ep26 will end and starts to setup themes and sub-plots that will come into fruitation. In each of his tales there are huge casts and many themes running through and yet by the end everything comes together and feels complete. Very few people can pull this off in anime.

--He brings talent out of everyone around him. This sounds goofy, but if you look at it soooo many people in the anime industry were nobodies until they worked with him and did something great, from their they went off and had successful careers (Kuroda, Hirai, Souichirou, etc...) He just seems like this incredibly talented friendly guy full of ideas who finds talented people to work with him and some of his ideas/coaching rubs off onto these people.

--He's very aware of the fans. He's done more extras his 3 shows on dvd than any other TV series I know of. The extras aren't fluff either, he does full audio commentaries, audio dramas, brand new animation shorts, music videos, and just tons of bonuses. He also has great dvd covers :)

In short I feel Goro Taniguchi is it. The person who comes along once every 50 years or so and changes the industry. He came in with his debut title of Ryvius and shook Japan. Ryvius was huge and considering it was mainly unknown staff under an unknown director it was an incredible accomplishment. From there he's done 2 more series which were widely praised and he's still really young and seems like he has no plans of slowing down on his 1 show every other year plan. He gets so much accomplished in all areas of his projects that he truly is Goro, the man with 4 arms.

PS. I shook his hand and thanked him personally for making great shows so I may be biased.
 

Shouta

Member
--How to use music. I am a very musical person myself so I find this very important. Goro synchs every scene to music perfectly. I have never seen a director better at doing this to date even in live-action with music video directors. He always hits matches the notes to the emotions and truly understands how music is part of the flow of an ep.

I haven't seen Planetes but I have seen Scryed and Infinite Ryvius and I honestly didn't find either show to particularly outstanding in this regard. Neither show strikes a chord with me (pun intended) for music to scene matching. There's perhaps a few choice scenes between the two (as that's always the case even in bad shows) but most of the other stuff I didn't really see as standout.

--He knows pacing. He cuts all his scenes at perfect lengths. There are never scenes that drag, nor are there scenes that feel rushed. He knows how much time a scene or cut should last and this gives all of his works excellent pacing.

I guess you could say that but, again, I don't think it particularly stands out much in either Ryvius or Scryed Actually, I'd say Scryed has a few pacing issues both in scenes and overall story. Scryed is full of scenes where it's too short or sometimes too long for their own good and it affects the feel of the show and at times, the individual scenes themselves. For example.
Kazuma's friend's death halfway through the series (I can't remember his name) was a little short of a scene. While it stopped it from being overly dramatic like some shows can make death scenes, there just isn't enough lingering on the circumstances to make it poignant IMO. There's also the fact that the scene then transitioned quickly into further the story and making his death less trivial. The same thing happened with Terada Ayase in episode 17 or so. She's meant to be another "tragedy" in the path of Kazuma's decisions (and in some ways, a part of the reason why he doesn't want to shoulder the burden others have placed on him) but there's no build up for her other than that lone episode in the first half and there's no emotional connection between the viewer and Ayase. Ayase should be connected to the viewer through her interactions with Kazuma but the scenes involving her in that episode are just too short and don't really leave the impact that it should. Her death comes off as a lame plot device rather than something important for Kazuma to realize either as a positive or negative. I blame this partially on not involving the character a little bit more as well and not just the scenes within that episode however.
At any rate, that's getting a bit more into the overall directing rather than the scene pacing.

--He is the best voice director in anime. Maybe he doesn't directly influence the voice actors/actresses in his works, but it seems like something beyond coincidence that in his 3 works the featured seiyuu always seem to give the best performances of their careers.

I can't agree with this (at least in regards to Scryed, it's been ages since I last saw Ryvius) myself however, I'm not going to say much on this because this really comes down to personal preference more than anything anyone could muster up in response. There's a clear line between awful and not awful but a really vasoline-caked blurry line between good and best which you really can't objectively put an argument up for.

--He is very meticulous about the overall script planning of his shows. If you look at his 3 shows from a distance you can see how even from ep1 he knows exactly how ep26 will end and starts to setup themes and sub-plots that will come into fruitation. In each of his tales there are huge casts and many themes running through and yet by the end everything comes together and feels complete. Very few people can pull this off in anime.

I'd have to sit down with Infinite Ryvius again to comment on that show for this specific thing but Scryed has a ton of annoying things about it both from an overall story standpoint and a pacing standpoint like I said above. I like Scryed, don't get me wrong, but it's not a show I consider to have a ton of merit in technical aspects.

I'm not gonna comment on the last two points much. First one is very opinionated and is in a field I don't do much diving into (I really don't know many people behind the scenes in shows aside from directors, designers, composers, and VAs). The last one is just the fanboy in you =P.

In short I feel Goro Taniguchi is it. The person who comes along once every 50 years or so and changes the industry. He came in with his debut title of Ryvius and shook Japan. Ryvius was huge and considering it was mainly unknown staff under an unknown director it was an incredible accomplishment. From there he's done 2 more series which were widely praised and he's still really young and seems like he has no plans of slowing down on his 1 show every other year plan. He gets so much accomplished in all areas of his projects that he truly is Goro, the man with 4 arms.

Ryvius was big in Japan? That's news to me. I didn't see any sort of big response from JP fans around the time it was released nor did I see much about it when I was in Japan over the summer. Care to explain?
 

duckroll

Member
Dead said:
Is the CG in aquarion as mind numbingly awful as Arjunas? Jesus that was bad.

No, the CGI is actually decent-ish. Aquarion has a REALLY good budget, but it's the actual designs which KILL the show because everything looks ulgy/stupid. :(
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
Goro > * (well almost)

Planetes totally opened my eyes, I haven't seen Scyred or Ryvius yet either so my opinion is a bit shady. But I remember going through certain scans of the Planetes manga once;
the scene where Yuri places a flower out to space for his wife after he finds the compass
and I was playing a song from the actual Planetes OST at the same time, the Wish Upon the Moon song or whatever it was called, by Hitomi.
Later watching the series and the scene play in episode 9 or 10, same sequence and low and behold, same fucking music plays. I was shocked, both mentally and emotionally because it simply added so much to me reading it in the manga, and here it was playing in the anime without me ever knowing.
Since then, I've said well Goro Taniguchi is possibly one of the next biggest anime series directors ever simple because of that scene. Of course I adored the shit out of Planetes but let's not get side-tracked :D
 
so far alot of you guys are saying the start of the season sucks?

I still had hope for Ichigo 100%

but after reading 90 chapters of the manga Manaka Junpei
is starting to piss me off no one has that much self-control in High School!!

Since I read all that I will read up to Volume 13 today to see if anything changes
 

duckroll

Member
Head's up, tonight is Erementar Gerad. After yesterday's Yoko Kanno disappointment in Aquarion, I hope tonight's Yuki Kajiura doesn't disappoint!
 
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