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SP's Adore is offically the best album ever.

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Star Power

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I really don't understand why critics, and a lot of SP fans, slag this album off so much. I think it's absolutely gorgeous... the melodies are nothing short of stunning ("Once Upon A Time?" EARGASMIC), it manages to stay interesting all the way through, and retains the same dark atmosphere on every track.. lyrically it's amazing, very heartfelt... just an awesome record. I can't quite put it into words. Surely I'm not the only one who thinks it's their best record?

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A lot of people compare it to The Cure. Fat Bob and co. haven't made anything up to par with this, IMO.
 
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Star Power

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Bob White said:
GET THAT SHIT OUTTA HERE!

Here today tomorrow next week by THE SUGARCUBES


Nothing will ever beat that record!
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All of Björk's solo records >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life's Too Good >>>>>>>>>>> Here Today Tomorrow Next Week
 
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Dujour

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I love "For Martha" and "Blank Page." This is the only Pumkins album that I've bought. I know they've got some other good stuff, but this is also my favorite one. He uses his nice voice instead of his whine.
 
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drohne

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i thought it was "einar." one of the few frontmen i can think of who both sang and played the trumpet. so did ian svenonius in nation of ulysses. there's a formidable tandem.

stupid anecdote: i had a band when i was in school, and we were trying to think of a name. we saw a marquee advertising a band called "the bastard sons of johnny cash." and if i'd had me way we'd have named ourselves "the bastard sons of einar orn." yeah.
 
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Diablos

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Star Power said:
I really don't understand why critics, and a lot of SP fans, slag this album off so much. I think it's absolutely gorgeous... the melodies are nothing short of stunning ("Once Upon A Time?" EARGASMIC), it manages to stay interesting all the way through, and retains the same dark atmosphere on every track.. lyrically it's amazing, very heartfelt... just an awesome record. I can't quite put it into words. Surely I'm not the only one who thinks it's their best record?

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A lot of people compare it to The Cure. Fat Bob and co. haven't made anything up to par with this, IMO.
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IMO, Adore is their second best, but it still doesn't beat Siamese Dream.

Don't forget to get the Adore demos: http://www.billy-corgan.com/downloads/mp3/adore_demos/index.php
Corgan rocks, he could have sold all this stuff but he gives it out for free.

Chewing Gum, Once in a While, Do You Close Your Eyes and My Mistake could have easily been on the album.
 
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jenov4

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Edit: ^^ :lol Whoops there he is. :lol - he posted while I was typing up this reply.

Whoa, a SP appreciation thread and no sign of Diablos?

Siamese Dream is the definitive SP album for me.
 
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FrenchMovieTheme

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adore isn't the best SP cd (it is probably 3rd best, 2nd best on its best day) but it is clearly underapprecited. great album with some all-time classics here and there. anyone who doesn't have it should have it
 
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Foreign Jackass

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Either Siamese Dreams or Mellon Collie. I'd go with Mellon Collie, personnally, because it expresses all there is to express about Smashing Pumpkins.
 
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Dead

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Mellon Collie has probably slipped to my least favorite (or second to least) SP record, despite it having some of theire best songs (Ruby, Porcelina, Muzzle etc..)
 
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Diablos

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My favorite SP albums are Siamese, Adore and Gish. Yeah, Gish might have crappy lyrics, but I can't get over how good it sounds for being a band's debut album. I Am One, Siva, Rhinoceros, Bury Me, Suffer and Snail are flawless.

Mellon Collie doesn't suck, it's just that I like those albums better. MCIS still blows away any other album from that time period and even today IMO. I really don't like ranking SP's albums, because they're all awesome in their own way. Not one sounds like the other. MCIS is an amazing album with amazing songs, and The Aeroplane Flies High makes their most popular era even better. That's why I can't really say Mellon Collie sucks... TAFH is basically an extention of Mellon Collie, or the songs that didn't make it onto the album. That being said, MCIS has perhaps the two worst SP songs ever: Tales of a Scorched Earth and Take Me Down. Replace them with Marquis in Spades or The Aeroplane Flies High, and Believe or Set the Ray to Jerry and now we're talking. Screw Flood and his sissy suggestions, those songs would've "fit" on MCIS.
 
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kablooey

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The only Pumpkins album that I think is any good is Siamese Dream...and even that's only in small bursts. Sorry, but BC's pompousness, not to mention that voice are too difficult to stomach for me in anything more than bite-sized portions.

Though they do have some great songs here and there, in spite of that. :)
 
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marsomega

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I love Adore, it is the album I listen to when I want to go to sleep listening to the Smashing Pumpkins. My favorite is "perfect", for some reason this song reminds me of internet love in a way. Love the album, there is something about it, the cover and art definately go hand in hand with the music. Can't say it is my favorite but certainly an adoration of mine.
 
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Substance

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Siamese Dream and Adore are both very nice. Adore is a bit overproduced though... so it comes off more cold than heartfelt.
 
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Diablos

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FMT: I'm not editing it! Unless your GF finally holds up a sign that says "I <3 Diablos," haha. :D

Adore's production is solid... I wouldn't say overproduced, not even close.
Machina 1 is definitely overproduced, though.

not to mention that voice are too difficult to stomach for me in anything more than bite-sized portions.
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Blah. I've gotta say, Thom's voice hasn't been too great in the past three or four years. It's kind of like a mix of a moaning dog and and old man.
 
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FrenchMovieTheme

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i like radiohead, but they aint shit compared to the pumpkins. OK Computer is a great record, but everything after that has been mostly dog shit. i am convinced this is radioheads methods for coming up with songs now:

Step 1. Come up with the most "mainstream unfriendly" backbeats and combinations you can find. wouldn't want to be accused of selling out

Step 2. Come up with partially coherent lyrics. This way, even though you can't write great songs, your fans can say "you just don't get it man!" even though they probably dont get it either

Step 3. Hem and haw the entire song, once in a while making sense, but mostly not. add some static or some other effect to go along with your voice cause god forbid you do a "pop" song, popular music is the devil!

radiohead has had good songs since ok computer, but 80% of the stuff they've released after OC has been unbelieveably bad and bordering on "uh, is thom yorke fucking joke..." i cant completely hate them, but they are probably the most overrated (not worst, most overrated) band of the past 15 years.

anyways enough about radiohead. the pumpkins are highly superior and this is a pumpkins thread
 
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CajoleJuice

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When did anyone bring up Radiohead to rip on? But yea, most of the stuff after OK Computer is just not good. Although, The Bends is my favorite Radiohead album.

Anyhow, I have all the SP albums, but I haven't got around to listening to them enough to really judge, but I'd have to say Siamese Dream is my favorite.
 
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bonesquad

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Do I adore Adore? No. Maybe underappreciated, but I think Machina is more so. My fav SP albums (cause no one asked):

1) Siamese Dream
2) MC&IS
3) Gish
4) Machina
5) Adore

The b-sides album I cant think of the name is the only one I don't like (not the Aeroplane Flies High, that is damn good). Even Machina II is good. Even Zwan was better than Adore, but that's no SP.


And there's no reason to ripon Radiohead just cause they arnt as good as SP was. Who is? (And I really liked Hail to the Theif.)
 
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kablooey

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
i like radiohead, but they aint shit compared to the pumpkins. OK Computer is a great record, but everything after that has been mostly dog shit. i am convinced this is radioheads methods for coming up with songs now:

Step 1. Come up with the most "mainstream unfriendly" backbeats and combinations you can find. wouldn't want to be accused of selling out

Step 2. Come up with partially coherent lyrics. This way, even though you can't write great songs, your fans can say "you just don't get it man!" even though they probably dont get it either

Step 3. Hem and haw the entire song, once in a while making sense, but mostly not. add some static or some other effect to go along with your voice cause god forbid you do a "pop" song, popular music is the devil!

radiohead has had good songs since ok computer, but 80% of the stuff they've released after OC has been unbelieveably bad and bordering on "uh, is thom yorke fucking joke..." i cant completely hate them, but they are probably the most overrated (not worst, most overrated) band of the past 15 years.

anyways enough about radiohead. the pumpkins are highly superior and this is a pumpkins thread
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haha, who knew my Yorke avatar coupled with a few SP put-downs could inspire such bitterness. :lol

And err...I "get" Radiohead, and don't really appreciate your generalizations about all their fans. You on the other hand, obviously don't "get" them. :p

Btw, none of those generalizations apply to Hail to the Thief. :)
 
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Ollie Pooch

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kablooey said:
Btw, none of those generalizations apply to Hail to the Thief. :)
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god, i love HTTT so much. it's my favourite radiohead album, by far.

i pulled out mellon collie the other day and listened to it all the way through, great album but MY GOD billy corgan's 'strained' voice is just horrendous. on songs like 'love', 'where boys fear to tread' and others it feels like a sharpened pencil being pushed into my brain.

i prefer 'adore' cos its far more subdued and he doesn't go into that nasally whine so much *shudder*
 
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Diablos

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
i like radiohead, but they aint shit compared to the pumpkins. OK Computer is a great record, but everything after that has been mostly dog shit. i am convinced this is radioheads methods for coming up with songs now:

Step 1. Come up with the most "mainstream unfriendly" backbeats and combinations you can find. wouldn't want to be accused of selling out

Step 2. Come up with partially coherent lyrics. This way, even though you can't write great songs, your fans can say "you just don't get it man!" even though they probably dont get it either

Step 3. Hem and haw the entire song, once in a while making sense, but mostly not. add some static or some other effect to go along with your voice cause god forbid you do a "pop" song, popular music is the devil!

radiohead has had good songs since ok computer, but 80% of the stuff they've released after OC has been unbelieveably bad and bordering on "uh, is thom yorke fucking joke..." i cant completely hate them, but they are probably the most overrated (not worst, most overrated) band of the past 15 years.

anyways enough about radiohead. the pumpkins are highly superior and this is a pumpkins thread
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WTF dude? I saw Radiohead live. They are an amazing band that puts on an amazing show. Technically speaking, Jonny Greenwood is probably more talented than Billy and James combined. You should see this guy play, I don't even know what the hell he's doing. Kid A and HTTT have some awesome songs.

But, that being said, for as whiny as Corgan's voice is, Yorke's is just as filled with moaning and groaning. Sounds like a sick dog anymore. Especially live. What happened to the opera-like voice I heard on the Meeting People is Easy or bootlegs that I have on my comp? Age is not treating his voice very well; Corgan, on the other hand, is improving. Which probably isn't saying too much, but it's progress.
 
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ToxicAdam

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I love thier music, but they are *horrible* to see live.


I would go with Siamese as the best ... Rocket is such a great tune.
 
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FrenchMovieTheme

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WTF dude? I saw Radiohead live. They are an amazing band that puts on an amazing show. Technically speaking, Jonny Greenwood is probably more talented than Billy and James combined. You should see this guy play, I don't even know what the hell he's doing. Kid A and HTTT have some awesome songs.
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well i've never been to a radiohead show, but i saw their performance on SNL. i was laughing my ass off as thom yorke was having convulsions of some type while singing. shit was better than any skit that night

but i digress. i'm not talking about the guitar players talent. who gives a shit how good he is when all they play are bullshit loops and layers that have next to nothing to do with rock guitar?

i'm pretty sure that ryan leaf is more physically talented than tom brady, but that don't mean shit if he isn't in the nfl. i dont care if greenwood is better than corgan, iha, stevie ray, eddie vh, or anyone else. it doesn't come out on the records so it doesn't matter

p.s. i didn't say Kid A, amnesiac or HTTT didn't have ANY good songs. i said 80% are crappy over the span of those 3 records.

that is the beauty of opinions though :D
 
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Diablos

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ToxicAdam said:
I love thier music, but they are *horrible* to see live.
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I have a few soundboard bootlegs that would prove that statement wrong. FMT has seen the band quite a few times and while he's said they don't put on the best performance ever, they were still extremely good. You saw a crappy show. Even Led Zeppelin put on crappy shows. I have one. Plus how can you say they suck live with a drummer like Chamberlin?
 
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Rorschach

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I've seen the Pumpkins live. I guess I got a "good show." They were pretty damn good. They didn't play a full set since they were opening, but what I heard was good. Also, for the most part, the bootlegs rock. :D
 
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