Square Enix's silence about the PC version of Nier Automata
- Thread starter GhostTrick
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And what they will come up with to try to prevent that piracy might also prevent some people from bying the game too ( like denuvo already does ). I already fear that it might kill modding before it is even born.
Re7 getting cracked didn't prevent or delay other games release, from indies to jrpg ( Atelier ), it's so hard to understand why a minority doesn't see it.
Moon Presence
Member
So fucking silly. They are going to lose more sales because if this than they would by releasing it day and date without Denuvo. Such a terrible decision.
Lanrutcon
Member
What's that? I Should Wait For A Sale Edition? Ok then.
Pirates hurt their business, which in turn hurts actual paying customers.
Chobel
Member
You have to be fucking kidding me...
That has been obvious for a long time.
"hurting" is really relative here.
It hurts customers in the sense that pubs like putting in copy proteciton that causes problems/limits funcitonality.
I think that especially for a more niche game like Nier, releasing day and date will do more for sales than Denuvo or whatever they are looking at to implement. Especially if the delay ends up being months rather than a few weeks. If people have to wait anyway, they'll wait for sales.
BasilZero
Member
Lol so backwards.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
I feel almost sorry for any games that are being published by SE. They have ruined so many, most recently DX:MD, with their stupid practices. FFS.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Receipts?
Seems like piracy is still an issue pubs are concerned about. Guess this puts to rest all those ridiculous theories that Sony delayed the PC version lol
i am pretty sure that at least soime of the devs already do realize that , but the pubs doesnt care , they would rather be tilting at windmills and pay millions for locks than doing something for the actuall customers
It's called common sense
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
So no receipts then.
Their statement makes me believe if Denuvo didn't exist, the game would've been a PS4 exclusive from start.
Don't need any
I'm too lazy to look for them, but there's threads on gaf that compile sales data of japanese games on steam. Those that did release simultaneously with the console versions all sold significantly better than late ports.
To the surprise of no one.
The same is true of every late port on consoles too. To name a prominent recent example: Rise of the Tomb Raider on PS4 didn't exactly set the world on fire.
I don't think one needs receips to point out that late ports don't sell as well as the original release.
PS4 Pro seems to do 60 fps well enough so I will day one that. I usually double dip for PC versions but square has a very bizarre relationship with PC ports so I don't think supporting it will affect the positive changes I usually look for when double dipping on certain platforms.
Why would you need receipts for what is common sense?
The game will sell less for being delayed and bringing a terrible DRM scheme that even affects legit users.
They will lose a lot more sales than they would by being piratable day one.
Smh.
Keep banging that drum.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
No surprise there, launch hype and momentum is a real thing for games.
Unlikely, Square-Enix has been bringing japanese games to PC without DRM for a long time.
We should ask 99% of the PC game dev for those receipts, since that probably close to the % of them who don't release their game with a DRM like Denuvo.
I'm sure it's because they don't like money, seems like the logical answer. "hey we could make more money with a delayed release + DRM, let's not do that, I don't like money" is what happen in all those studio.
DalikSkywing
Member
No it's not, SE has a ridiculous amount of jrpgs on steam without DRMs, it's actually more believable that they are lying given the yesterday statement of "we don't want to split work on two platforms" after being asked for a third one.
SlaughterX
Banned
So the pc version doesn't come out the same day as the ps4?
Some PAL Land retailers have it listed as releasing on the 7th, which is day-and-date with the PS4 version. No confirmation from Squeenix thus far, though.
Even if DRM isn't the reason for the delay i still think it's unlikely that Sony paid money here. Especially if the delay is indeed "short".
It's not exactly unheard of that publishers start working on the PC version late/purposefully delay a PC release a few weeks. Ubisoft used to do this routinley, but there's other instances too.
DalikSkywing
Member
Also explain why they have to suddenly cut steam logo from all trailers "coincidentally" after Sony first acknowledges the game. You pretend your second platform doesn't exist because that surely will help against piracy. Right.
I haven't seen a single game that suddenly got cut off their steam logo from their trailer.
Yeah, it's wierd. Who knows what the thought behind it is. And maybe money did flow. But i can't remember another game where that happened, even games that got moneyhats from Sony.
GhostTrick
Banned
Says the guy who never bother bringing any receipts.
But yeah, common sense.
Otherwise you'd see games with Denuvo performing better than those without.
Tizoc
Member
That is placeholder more than likely.
rofl. I was already gonna pay $30 for it since it was gonna be infested with Denuvo like any SE game, but now imma knock another $10 off for this stupidity.
In the weird arithmetic of a "pirated sale" eating up the profits from any actual sale, it does perform better. I mean, purely in their heads.
This is something that most western devs that put out PC games have learned long ago: There will always be piracy, just offer a good service and you will still see legitimate customers. Look at CD Projekt, where fans themselves urged pirates to buy, though that might be an extreme case.
Japan has to learn that in their own time, I guess. I just assume a lot of them will just give up, and only return when they see how smarter companies are doing it right.
Damn. If that's the case I may just grab this on PS4. Not a problem, but definitely a bit of a bummer.
Robobandit
Member
well, that settles it for me.. PS4 at launch and PC version when it goes on deep discount someplace.
I'm leaning towards it being an honest mistake in that the date was just copied from their respective PS4 listings.
Emperor_Uriel
Member
I don't buy the piracy excuse, especially since RE7 still had excellent sales despite getting broken. More likely it's "Steam version? Oh fuck, that's right... uh... we have no idea how to do that."
Japanese devs are terrified of the PC, they have no idea how to approach it. It took petitions, sales estimations and years of waiting for publishers like Capcom, From Software and Square Enix to feel comfortable dipping their toes into the market.
Considering 90% of this game's hype is in Japan, 99% of Western gamers have no idea what "Nier" is, and the PC is pretty irrelevant in their home market... I think their focus is on domestic sales first. We'll be lucky to see a PC release before 2018.
I'm warming up to playing big RPGs on my PS4 though. Nioh taught me that, while still not ideal, the platform is at least convenient.
Japanese devs are terrified of the PC, they have no idea how to approach it. It took petitions, sales estimations and years of waiting for publishers like Capcom, From Software and Square Enix to feel comfortable dipping their toes into the market.
Considering 90% of this game's hype is in Japan, 99% of Western gamers have no idea what "Nier" is, and the PC is pretty irrelevant in their home market... I think their focus is on domestic sales first. We'll be lucky to see a PC release before 2018.
I'm warming up to playing big RPGs on my PS4 though. Nioh taught me that, while still not ideal, the platform is at least convenient.
I'm not keen on most solutions for piracy since they will often simply negatively effect me - the paying customer. They already missed their chance to get me purchasing near to launch as I have now already bought other things that will have my time. Add superfluous drm just means I'll wait even longer till the price is a disposable one just as the game may become.
Agreed. Maybe they will even follow Hitmen strategy and make it play online to unlock items.