PHOENIXZERO
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Is it bad that I laughed at the quoted segments? That last quote was something straight out of a comedy.
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St. Louis officer shoots black off-duty cop responding to gunfight
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family_guy
Member
Never leave the house without a police uniform on, and to be extra safe, put on your whiteface.
LelouchZero
Member
Policing while black, damn.
I wish people didn't get hurt in police confrontations.
I wish people didn't get hurt in police confrontations.
supermarioworldE
Banned
At this point, nothing surprises me. But the message in these cases couldnt be more clear: Even if youre a cop, youre still a n*****.
Thank god he wasnt killed.
Thank god he wasnt killed.
CloudyTuba
Member
A cop shooting someone is supposed to be a last resort when they believe their own life is being directly threatened.
I doubt the off duty cop was pointing his gun in a threatening manner toward the shooter. Someone please ask this jackass why the color of his coworker's skin was enough to convince him lethal force was his only remaining option. Explain logically why all other responses were exhausted.
Being afraid should not be a valid excuse in this profession. Being a public servant necessitates more fortitude than that. Seems like most US cops don't actually get what 'public servant' actually means, they just know that holding a gun makes them feel powerful. Being a public servant means putting the public before yourself. That means not shooting at the public whenever they spook you, even if you feel in danger.
Most people cant be that badass, and that's fine. The position requires the best of us to step up and serve. But those that can't should not be cops. Stop giving guns to people who view them more as a comforting safety net than as a grim last resort. Yet another jackass that lacks the fortitude the position requires of him.
I doubt the off duty cop was pointing his gun in a threatening manner toward the shooter. Someone please ask this jackass why the color of his coworker's skin was enough to convince him lethal force was his only remaining option. Explain logically why all other responses were exhausted.
Being afraid should not be a valid excuse in this profession. Being a public servant necessitates more fortitude than that. Seems like most US cops don't actually get what 'public servant' actually means, they just know that holding a gun makes them feel powerful. Being a public servant means putting the public before yourself. That means not shooting at the public whenever they spook you, even if you feel in danger.
Most people cant be that badass, and that's fine. The position requires the best of us to step up and serve. But those that can't should not be cops. Stop giving guns to people who view them more as a comforting safety net than as a grim last resort. Yet another jackass that lacks the fortitude the position requires of him.
schwabdizzle
Banned
Actually I was talking about murder in general. Not just race like you're trying to make it to be. That being said I am sure there is quite a bit of black on black crime but that's besides the point murder is murder no matter what race it is. But there is also a difference between murder and justifiable defense. People always assume cops just go after black people it's getting to become pretty silly at this point. I'm so sick and tired of the media just putting St Louis under a microscope if a white cop shoots anybody of a different color. If it was a black cop shooting another black cop this wouldn't even be a fucking story. And yes I live in downtown St Louis so I do take shit like this personal because I've lived here all my life and bigots out there just think Saint Louis is some racist ass city which it's not.
theignoramus
Member
Interesting that none of your outrage is directed at the garbage ass cop who panicked and shit the bed.
Trickster
Member
How can you not be fearful as a cop in the US though? You pretty much have to assume everyone are carrying guns
VeryGooster
Banned
I can't imagine why!
Tye The Czar
Member
So, all white cops are just Melanophobic?
Actually the problem is just cops and black people period. Black cops have been shown to have similar racism issues.
Because it's not really the individual, it's the institution.
adamsappel
Member
Wait, why did he only shoot him once? We keep getting told that cops are taught to empty their weapons. Why did he shoot him in the arm? Either they can shoot to disable, or this cop is a poor shot. Sounds like a bad cop to have on the force.
This is going to be an unpopular opinion: but this was a shootout with three dudes who crashed a car and who started firing at the cops. I imagine there was a lot of confusion during the situation.
"Fearing for your life" is actually... a legitimate reason to fire your weapon? I'm actually exhausted by all the comments on the first page.
I don't wish for anyone to be in a gunfight, but if you're being fired upon and you're firing back -- you're life can end in an instant. Don't forget that shit. I don't think it's unreasonable that the cop saw the plain clothes officer firing blindly and thought he had a suspect cornered.
Instead of being thankful that it was a "flesh wound" or waiting for more details... you're all automatically assuming the most bigoted reason why this off duty cop was shot. I think you must step back and take a breather.
"Fearing for your life" is actually... a legitimate reason to fire your weapon? I'm actually exhausted by all the comments on the first page.
I don't wish for anyone to be in a gunfight, but if you're being fired upon and you're firing back -- you're life can end in an instant. Don't forget that shit. I don't think it's unreasonable that the cop saw the plain clothes officer firing blindly and thought he had a suspect cornered.
Instead of being thankful that it was a "flesh wound" or waiting for more details... you're all automatically assuming the most bigoted reason why this off duty cop was shot. I think you must step back and take a breather.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Especially when an officer's safety should come second to the citizens he or she swears to protect.
His job is to handle situations like this so at best, he should be removed from the job that he clearly can't handle.
Or do you believe this cop was making aggressive moves toward other cops?
It's like Police Academy. They just rock up and with literally no knowledge of the situation just decide to shoot people. Always easy to hide behind the "feared for my safety" line.
I think the police in America need a reboot from scratch. Terrified me the notion that UK officers might be allowed to carry en masse. It's just too much power in the hands of people who feel invincible.
I think the police in America need a reboot from scratch. Terrified me the notion that UK officers might be allowed to carry en masse. It's just too much power in the hands of people who feel invincible.
Jmanunknown
Member
You do realize why the St.Louis area has been under a microscope right? You do know how bad the situation between the citizens of Ferguson and their police department was? Their are 21,000 residents of Ferguson and 16,000 had warrants for their arrest around the time mike brown was killed. That is 75 percent of the city.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Maybe. But unlikely as the two other officers would have looked to have the situation handled with the off-duty officer walking towards them.
First instinct, unless the threat is immediate, should never be to shoot first. He could have done what the other two did and order the guy to the ground if he did not recognize him.
So no, this looks like exactly what it seems to be, a cop seeing black and making assumptions without backing to discharge his weapon. With the oft insincere and over-used excuse of "feared for my life", instead of with whatever the target did to make them feel that way.
Also keep in mind that shot likely was aimed center of mass and this guy was lucky he wasn't outright killed by that idiot.
My tin foil hat is secured firmly to my dome.
I bet if he actually killed the plainclothes officer, we'd be reading that it was from enemy fire, and they'd be trying to hide the guilty cop under the police department for a couple years. Give the slain cop a hero's funeral, make sure the widow is paid nicely, and that's it.
Then again, in my world we have a reality show star as the president, so I might be a little crazy...
I bet if he actually killed the plainclothes officer, we'd be reading that it was from enemy fire, and they'd be trying to hide the guilty cop under the police department for a couple years. Give the slain cop a hero's funeral, make sure the widow is paid nicely, and that's it.
Then again, in my world we have a reality show star as the president, so I might be a little crazy...
schwabdizzle
Banned
Warrants don't mean shit really. You can get a warrant for unpaid parking tickets.
Why are cops so god damned "scared" all of the fucking time?
I don't want to call upon officers that are too afraid to put on the uniform and do their jobs. Impressive how they manage to wrangle alligators into submission with no problems, but a black dude? Nah, he needs to get some bullets dumped into him.
If I've learned anything in the 37 years I've been on this planet, it's that no matter how high up you climb, or how "civil" you act, you will still be feared, hated, and distrusted. The fear of us is ingrained too deep. I just don't have much hope that this is ever going to change. Certainly not in my lifetime.
I don't want to call upon officers that are too afraid to put on the uniform and do their jobs. Impressive how they manage to wrangle alligators into submission with no problems, but a black dude? Nah, he needs to get some bullets dumped into him.
If I've learned anything in the 37 years I've been on this planet, it's that no matter how high up you climb, or how "civil" you act, you will still be feared, hated, and distrusted. The fear of us is ingrained too deep. I just don't have much hope that this is ever going to change. Certainly not in my lifetime.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
Damn I wish I saved that one quote I saw from the officer's attorney.
It was something along the lines of The police officers shot a black cop, they shot one of their own. If a black cop can be mistaken for a regular black person, there are huge problems here.
It was something along the lines of The police officers shot a black cop, they shot one of their own. If a black cop can be mistaken for a regular black person, there are huge problems here.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
Or the safest.... which is still fucked up.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
DEFINITELY not the safest.
Jmanunknown
Member
WTF so you see nothing wrong with 16,000 out of 21,000 residents having warrants is that what your trying to say?
Yoshimitsu126
Member
Can we get a movie where the villain just says "fear for my safety" but each word is paused by shots. Some people take news better in movies than in real life.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
Give me this place then. Gotta plan this shit.
Isaac Otherworld
Member
Absolutely not the safest. Not even close. Even in other nations that suffer from systemic racism, there's no where near the level of people being gunned down police, let alone the daily stream of unarmed black individuals like we see in the U.S.
The stats for how few bullets the police in other countries fire compared to the police in our country is staggering.
Nope, that bullshit excuse flies out the window when there's already two officers in uniform, who deligently and correctly deduced the off duty cop was theirs. Third cop doesn't just get to show up and started shooting at a person that his follow officers are waiting to approach them. Why are your military personal so much better trained to deal with civilians in a god damn war zone, then your fucking cops dealing with US citizens in America?
Vital Tundra
Member
They just love that excuse now. "Feared for my safety". Guess I would to if it removed all blame from myself.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
It comes up because it works in the courtroom. All you have to say is either that or "he was resisting" and everyone turns their brain off.
Wouldn't have guessed. Interesting.
Zok310
Banned
Also happens in Whit Plains NY, county police unloaded on an off duty officer (black) when he stepped in to stop a robbery.
sturgboski
Member
Diplomaticimmunity.gif?
"One of his own"
This fucking mindset is disgusting. Every cop should be ashamed of it. That includes any of you coppers reading this. You are not in the fucking military, and you aren't even in that dangerous a job compared to others (truck driving, taxi cabs, fishing, pilots, iron/steel workers, electricians, waste removers, and others are all more dangerous). You're a civil servant, not a gang member. Shut the fuck up and do your job and stop sticking up for each other out of some sort of "code" like the rest of us.
This fucking mindset is disgusting. Every cop should be ashamed of it. That includes any of you coppers reading this. You are not in the fucking military, and you aren't even in that dangerous a job compared to others (truck driving, taxi cabs, fishing, pilots, iron/steel workers, electricians, waste removers, and others are all more dangerous). You're a civil servant, not a gang member. Shut the fuck up and do your job and stop sticking up for each other out of some sort of "code" like the rest of us.
Just_myles
Member
Seriously. I always expect those who protect and serve the public to be exceptional people. Guess going by our elected officials I was being naive. Nothing will come of this btw.
theignoramus
Member
He'll say "they must've done something to deserve it" or "just follow the law and you wont have any problems." I know his type like the back of my hand.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Same.