Part of the reason I want to see an episode where Palpatine investigates Atollon and the Bendu for himself. Sheev's one of the most powerful force users in the galaxy, toned down quite a bit from his crazy old EU adventures for sure, but I bet he'd be interested in finding a way to harness the Bendu's power.
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Star Wars Rebels Season 3 |OT| Dark Forces Rising
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Part of the reason I want to see an episode where Palpatine investigates Atollon and the Bendu for himself. Sheev's one of the most powerful force users in the galaxy, toned down quite a bit from his crazy old EU adventures for sure, but I bet he'd be interested in finding a way to harness the Bendu's power.
Dominican Power
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Now that was a Star Wars episode
He becomes quite reclusive after Revenge of the Sith, so it makes sense to use him sparingly.
Anyone would be with a name like Sheev.
Lifejumper
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It was the most star warsy episode so far imo.
Xplatformer
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This series really needs to make a budget jump.
Last two episodes were entertaining, but ...
Last two episodes were entertaining, but ...
Not Spaceghost
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I am guessing it's a mix of
-the imperials still think that the rebellion is a joke
-telling the emperor they've screwed up this many times due to hubris would get them executed on the spot
-no one but vader actually talks directly with the emperor
Tarkin talks to him a lot.
Lifejumper
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I wonder how they will involve the jedi mythology next season. Previous seasons we had the inquisitors and Maul.
I would remind people of what Vader says in Return of the Jedi: "The Emperor is not as forgiving as I". And Vader can't be called forgiving by any means.
CrimsonSquall
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So what's up this Bendu guy claiming he is the force and then going up into the sky on some aladdin shit?
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Oh yeah I forgot about that, I always just figured it was tarkin talking to vader who then told the emperor
Just Tom Baker being Tom Baker.
I love the guy, but, you know, so does he. He knows he's the shit and can do whatever he wants. Probably improvised those lines and made himself the most awesome guy in the universe, forcing the animators to throw their hands up and go, 'well, I guess he turns into a cloud now..'
Tom Baker is the man, he doesn't need scripts.
If you enjoy reading the books, I would definitely recommend checking out Star Wars: Tarkin if you haven't already...which not only does a lot to expand on Tarkin's character and backstory, but also takes the time to explore in much greater detail Tarkin's relationship with the Emperor. We actually learn the Emperor holds Tarkin in quite a high regard, having a great deal respect for him personally....and as such seems to view him as much more than a pawn, quite unlike Vader, who always gets treated as little more than the Emperor's personal lapdog.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Yeah I have been meaning to give that one a read through. I always imagined Tarkin being the closest thing that Vader has to a friend. Since he is the only person other than the emperor who he had contact with before he turned. I can't imagine that the emperor holds much care for vader since he knows full well how the rule of two plays out. Which is probably why the emperor "likes" tarkin more.
Tarkin's relationship with Vader is definitely one of the key points of focus in the book. The whole story is basically a buddy-cop story with the two needing to work together to chase down an imminent threat to the Empire. You might enjoy it!
CrimsonSquall
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That was some serious bullshit. Bendu looked to be a very important SW character and then the writers hit the ESC button and he gone. I'm sure he'll show up again but wtfJust Tom Baker being Tom Baker.
I love the guy, but, you know, so does he. He knows he's the shit and can do whatever he wants. Probably improvised those lines and made himself the most awesome guy in the universe, forcing the animators to throw their hands up and go, 'well, I guess he turns into a cloud now..'
Tom Baker is the man, he doesn't need scripts.
TDLink
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This isn't true. Other people high up in the Empire were part of the Republic before, who Anakin did meet/know. One he worked with a lot during the Clone Wars was Yularen, for example. Who appeared in Rebels this season and is also in ANH.
BrokenFiction
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That's an interesting point I never thought about - would Yularen know that Anakin is Vader? Vader would have to spill the beans himself, I guess.
Seconding this, Tarkin is a great book.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
AFAIK, it was fairly common speculation about Anakin being Vader among the few folks who had known Anakin prior and ended up in Imperial positions, but it was rarely if ever brought up for discussion.
JonnyDBrit
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Just Tom Baker being Tom Baker.
I love the guy, but, you know, so does he. He knows he's the shit and can do whatever he wants. Probably improvised those lines and made himself the most awesome guy in the universe, forcing the animators to throw their hands up and go, 'well, I guess he turns into a cloud now..'
Tom Baker is the man, he doesn't need scripts.
Having watched Rebels Recon, the cloud thing was very much their idea to begin with. The thing is, as I mentioned on the previous page, the Bendu is evocative of the particular strain of Star Wars fan thought where being neutral = automatically better force wielder. The Bendu then adds that in by actually, okay, being that powerful, but it's established from the beginning that he likes to think of himself as more aware of the true nature of the force than anyone that takes a side, like the Jedi or Sith. Hence the 'I'm the one in the middle' spiel - he thinks that's what makes him special. Better than the rest, so concerned with 'trivial' politics and warfare. It may be that in terms of connecting to and wielding the force in abstract he is correct, but Star Wars is not a story of Enlightenment, however much it does draw on Asian ideologies like Buddhism and Taoism; Luke Skywalker isn't the hero because he was the best force wielder ever, but because he saw redemption where no-one else could.
Yeah, it's literally an in universe theory among the Imperial elite, and a couple of others that Anakin = Darth Vader, but the reasons are pretty obvious why no-one directly risks asking him. It adds a bit of an interesting layer to the dynamic between him and Tarkin, because Tarkin is simultaneously trying to understand just what Vader's deal is, while Vader just wants to get the job done.
Septimus Prime
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I can only assume Thrawn knows.
My post wasn't entirely serious.
JonnyDBrit
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...Sorry.
Twilight Gap
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Part 1 of the finale was great.
Part 2 on the other hand was completely stupid and I don't even know where to begin.
The episode was just filled with lapses in suspension of disbelief, and it's never been this bad that it took me out of the episode. But perhaps the most egregious problem is inherent to Star Wars: the whole concept of a blockade. Apparently it is faster to travel through lightspeed to a completely different planet than it is to travel across the one you are already on and go into orbit from a different direction. sigh.
God this show sucks. And Thrawn has gone from an interesting character to a plot device - one who knows everything to turn the plot against the heroes, and then suddenly becomes oblivious when their plot armor kicks in.
At least Sabine is back in the show I guess? Because in a show devoid of character development, bringing a character back a few episodes later to save the day is supposed to be cool or something.
It had some classic music, above average cinematography and action, Thrawn discovering Kallus, that somewhat haunting shot when the ship is pulled out of hyperspace (reminded me of that warp scene from Star Trek Into Darkness) and some good tactical manuevers between the ships. I agree with one headline I saw that said it was the most "Star Warsy" episode of the show thus far.
Part 2 on the other hand was completely stupid and I don't even know where to begin.
Rex and Zeb standing right next to heavy fire from an ATAT walker, Kanan barely dodging heavy fire from Star Destroyers that somehow seem to know where he is, the whole Mandalorian planet being "under civil war" yet we go there and everyone is just standing around a map - no different than the last time we saw them (although showing action here could have had the potential to oversaturate the episode, there was no sense of urgency in their reluctance), the gravity ship that was easily disabled by a tiny strike force, Thrawn "shooting at the center of the storm", Thrawn turning his back to Kanan, who could have easily struck him down. And worst of all, "throwing Kallus out of the airlock" instead of just shooting him then and there on the bridge. OF COURSE he is going to escape two measily Storm Troopers if he held his own against Thrawn. I was half expecting his escape pod to get shot down at last minute. I actually like the character and he didn't deserve to make it out of this.
God this show sucks. And Thrawn has gone from an interesting character to a plot device - one who knows everything to turn the plot against the heroes, and then suddenly becomes oblivious when their plot armor kicks in.
At least Sabine is back in the show I guess? Because in a show devoid of character development, bringing a character back a few episodes later to save the day is supposed to be cool or something.
Twilight Gap
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I really cannot stress how disappointed I am in this show. The whole thing is based around a rebellion and yet we are 3 seasons in and we have been presented with virtually no reason to care beyond the fact that they're "good" and the empire is "evil". It's really insulting to the intelligence of the viewer, and it's a shame that they've dumbed down Star Wars' cartoon marketing to a younger audience who isn't even seeing their characters scoring significant victories. Everything is left unresolved. At least if you think kids cannot handle something smarter, let them see their characters win and lose more often.
In my opinion, a good story needs to do three things:
1. Have characters that grow to overcome challenges, or remain consistent and aware of their inability to do so
2. A story that has stakes that actually mean something to the viewer
3. Continuity and consistency within the world to maintain suspension of disbelief
The majority of The Clone Wars was like this. Anytime they introduced a new arc, you were shown the people of the planet and made aware of what the Separatists were doing to them. Or you were shown the hatred another planet had for the Jedi and understood their motives. Or there was some internal conflict that questioned the morals of everyone involved. It was a show with so many shades of grey and everyone had some kind of motivation.
Lothal hasn't been relevant since Season 1? We have 60 episodes and I don't remember most of them establishing a reason to care. At most, each character gets a couple episodes to explain their origin and their motivations, and then it's back to filler until the climatic battle.
In my opinion, a good story needs to do three things:
1. Have characters that grow to overcome challenges, or remain consistent and aware of their inability to do so
2. A story that has stakes that actually mean something to the viewer
3. Continuity and consistency within the world to maintain suspension of disbelief
The majority of The Clone Wars was like this. Anytime they introduced a new arc, you were shown the people of the planet and made aware of what the Separatists were doing to them. Or you were shown the hatred another planet had for the Jedi and understood their motives. Or there was some internal conflict that questioned the morals of everyone involved. It was a show with so many shades of grey and everyone had some kind of motivation.
Lothal hasn't been relevant since Season 1? We have 60 episodes and I don't remember most of them establishing a reason to care. At most, each character gets a couple episodes to explain their origin and their motivations, and then it's back to filler until the climatic battle.
BrokenFiction
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Dave Filoni‏ @dave_filoni 15 hours ago
Duane Cunningham
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I think the overall premise of the battle was pretty good:
A smaller force was pinned in and couldn't escape or call for reinforcements. So they sacrificed a crucial large ship and important commander to squeeze a single tiny ship through the blockade and into the open galaxy to go get reinforcements.
I think if that's a naval battle from history, an episode of Star Trek or whatever else, that's a pretty solid premise.
A smaller force was pinned in and couldn't escape or call for reinforcements. So they sacrificed a crucial large ship and important commander to squeeze a single tiny ship through the blockade and into the open galaxy to go get reinforcements.
I think if that's a naval battle from history, an episode of Star Trek or whatever else, that's a pretty solid premise.
BrokenFiction
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/03...uls-fate-and-more-of-season-3s-big-storylines
STAR WARS REBELS: DAVE FILONI DISCUSSES KALLUS' ARC, MAUL'S FATE, AND MORE OF SEASON 3'S BIG STORYLINES
Long interview, lots of goodies. This in particular stands out:
STAR WARS REBELS: DAVE FILONI DISCUSSES KALLUS' ARC, MAUL'S FATE, AND MORE OF SEASON 3'S BIG STORYLINES
Long interview, lots of goodies. This in particular stands out:
I love that Filoni geeks out about Baker in the same way that I do.
Honestly the biggest reason I watched this season at all, even though I knew his role would be small at best.
Septimus Prime
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That was a super insightful interview! My favorite part, though, is Filoni talking about how
It truly reveals how detail-oriented he is and demonstrates that the show is in good hands.
I also wouldn't mind seeing the Mortis gods again, even if only to see how they feel about the ramifications of Anakin's decision not to join them. They don't have to (and really shouldn't) affect the plot at all.
Thrawn's bathroom is too big for one that should be on a ship and is probably a dignitary's bathroom or something.
I also wouldn't mind seeing the Mortis gods again, even if only to see how they feel about the ramifications of Anakin's decision not to join them. They don't have to (and really shouldn't) affect the plot at all.
Biggest disappointment is how they essentially have two Jedi running around in the Rebel Alliance like it is no thing. I wish it was just Ezra because at least he isn't a full-fledged Jedi and other members could just write it off as a kid with a lightsaber. This "bothers" me because we are supposed to be in a period where Jedi are though of long-passed and them going to Yavin means they aren't too far away from Episode IV timeline wise.
Oh no, an originally rated PG movie series is being geared to kids!
All shows have their ups and downs. They tried to express how much of a setback this battle was by showing their hangar being sacrificed, Nebula-B frigate being destroyed, a TRANSPORT being destroyed, and then literally saying that they lost everything. But it didn't feel like they lost because quite a few ships got away.
Oh no, an originally rated PG movie series is being geared to kids!
All shows have their ups and downs. They tried to express how much of a setback this battle was by showing their hangar being sacrificed, Nebula-B frigate being destroyed, a TRANSPORT being destroyed, and then literally saying that they lost everything. But it didn't feel like they lost because quite a few ships got away.
Duane Cunningham
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Well, we don't know if Kanan and Ezra being Jedi is really common knowledge among the rest of the Rebellion, do we? I could see the Kanan and Hera keeping it on the DL somewhat, if nothing else just out of sheer conditioning since they kept it secret all those years.
And for that matter, if anyone DOES know, does anyone really care? They probably just see a lightsaber and think "oh, it's that one dickhead from Phoenix Squadron who thinks he's a Jedi". Like if you saw someone wearing bell bottoms in say, the late 90's.
Hell, that's probably what they thought about Luke, too, in fact. "Dude thinks he's a Jedi, but hell, he DID blow up the Death Star so whatever works, I guess. Nice job, Disco Stu!"
And for that matter, if anyone DOES know, does anyone really care? They probably just see a lightsaber and think "oh, it's that one dickhead from Phoenix Squadron who thinks he's a Jedi". Like if you saw someone wearing bell bottoms in say, the late 90's.
Hell, that's probably what they thought about Luke, too, in fact. "Dude thinks he's a Jedi, but hell, he DID blow up the Death Star so whatever works, I guess. Nice job, Disco Stu!"
crackhead_bob
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Does anyone think that Ezra will be given an arch nemesis by the end of the series? None of the villains on the show so far have functioned in that capacity. Is it too far into the show to inject that motif into the series? And if so, would it be someone from Clone Wars or a completely made up character?
Stallion Dan
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Were the Inquisitors ever explained, they had to be Sith right? Who trained them? Vader? How did the Emperor allow it?
Lifejumper
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Former Jedi temple guards.
WadiumArcadium
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They can't be Sith because of the rule of two. They're more like Ventress. She was a dark side user trained by a Sith Lord, but not one herself. We know the Grand Inquisitor used to be a Jedi Temple Guard at one point.
They haven't gone into detail on who trained them but we know Vader played a part. The new comic from Charles Soule is going to delve into their origins a bit.
Poodlestrike
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They're fine except for those stupid made-for-the-action-figures lightsabers.
I still really wanna see them bring in Starkiller as an Inquisitor.
Yeah, I still like Force Unleashed. Come at me.
Stallion Dan
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Why would Jedi temple guards do that?
They also bother me that force users are part of the Empire yet ANH still gives us the pinch scene.
They were cowards who would rather survive than die during Order 66. The only confirmed guard though was the Grand Inquisitor.
Razgriz-Specter
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Where the hell was Bo-Katan?
Just rewatched the series premiere and it's interesting to see how far the animation has come along - there are some wonky facial expressions early on and I think it's clear why we haven't seen the wookies again. Chopper has a different voice and the music is completely off tune, glad they decided to make it resemble the movie soundtracks more as time went on.
Also, Kallus straight up murders a stormtrooper for asking a question. Guess the idea of redeeming him wasn't around at the start.
Also, Kallus straight up murders a stormtrooper for asking a question. Guess the idea of redeeming him wasn't around at the start.
Lifejumper
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Including flowing capes is also still a huge budgetary concern for them. Interesting to see that they are so budget restricted.
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