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If a film is disliked the venom for it isn't going to go away.

I didn't say it would (or should) disappear entirely.

"Star Wars" and "exalted" probably shouldn't exist in the same sentence in a 100% serious manner, either. This isn't a knock on Star Wars, but more a recognition of what kind of weight the word "exalted" has - a word, by the way, I'm certain a ton of people only know because Luke used it in a hologram message to Jabba the Hutt.

You don't have to forget a movie exists, or pretend a movie never existed, in order to like a completely different movie. That's the false dichotomy at the core of this discussion that I'm poking at. It's like someone somewhere arrived at this weird delusion as the viable solution, and it's ridiculous. It actually demands you invest more time, energy, and emotion into addressing the films.

There are hundreds of movies I've seen in my life that I don't like very much. I don't forget that I saw them. I just don't allocate much mental energy to considering them afterwards.

This methodology is almost 100% about making sure you've always got a reserve of that energy stocked full because you know for a fact you're gonna be using it semi-frequently.

It's not really like Sports because the players change every year, as do the games. And the rooting interest isn't all that similar, either (or it didn't used to be, although the mainstreaming of the box-office horserace and the acceptance of commodifying film to the point where terms like "franchise" and "IP" become interchangeable with "movie" and "story" have probably made it moreso).

It's more or less a habit. It's a thing you won't stop doing because you don't want to stop doing it because there's some twinge of satisfaction in having done it.

There's probably an aspect of that habitual nature connected to being a really big fan of Star Wars, too, if we're being honest.
 
You do realize a ton of Star Wars fans, easily the majority of the hardcore fanbase like the prequels, right? It's not like your view is any kind of majority one among fandom. Go check out the year Star Wars Celebration conventions. Will blow your mind.
And a majority of fans also like the Special Editions. And a lot of people like Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey. And I know a toddler that thinks Jar-Jar Binks is hilarious.

Unless you have a solid graph documenting the opinions of every last man, woman, and child on earth, that still doesn't mean there aren't a metric ton of fans who hate the Special Editions or millions that were disappointed by the Prequel Trilogy. Majority or not is irrelevant. A sizable portion feels that way and that sizable portion matters just as much as any other group...

... Though I have my doubts that a "majority" loved the prequels. Even I like bits and pieces of them (Darth Maul looks cool, it was nice seeing Obi-Wan cut up Anakin, and Natalie Portman would've looked great in a metal slave bikini...), but a lot of fans tend to cling to the good and side-step the bad.

But I look forward to your Dexter Jettster cosplay. Keep me posted on that.


You fuckin' kidding me?
Just a bit. Yeah. Why?

I'm addressing your bullshit directly, and pointing out why it's bullshit. Because it's bullshit. I know this because I was paying attention to what you had written, see.
Except for the parts where you said it was black and white, and the parts where I said it wasn't. Except for that part. Good show otherwise, old chap.

Also, "it varies from person to person" doesn't even work as a rebuttal to what I was saying anyway.
Sure it does. "It's black and white!" you claim I insist. I respond, "no, actually, people have varying degrees of tolerance." And then you go "that doesn't work as a rebuttal!" and I go, "sure it does" and then you go "nuh uh!" and I go "uh huh!" and then we stick out our tongues and go to our corners to play with TIE-fighter toys and Wookie figures.

The idea that you have to enter some sort of weird dream state in which the reality you currently live in ceases to exist in order to enjoy a thing is an unnecessary one.
Says you. My reality is awesome. It has dinosaurs. Does your reality have dinosaurs? Mine also doesn't have the prequel trilogy, "Who Let the Dogs Out", or the third season of HEROES. My reality trumps yours. I reject your reality and substitute my own.

It's not needed. It's ridiculous.
Of course it's ridiculous and unnecessary. That's what makes it so great. It's like those ice cream bars you get as a kid shaped like a Ninja Turtle. Why? Who cares! Eat Donatello's head, child!

And adhering to that fundamentally delusional mindset in order to "preserve" the sanctity of the thing you like while telling someone else they're being "too black and white" is all kinds of contradictory.
Well, you DO keep insisting that I'm the one who sees things in black and white, despite me saying it's more a sliding scale of tolerance. That sounds like an absolute to me, and only a Sith deals in absolutes.

"Breaking points" don't even have to enter into this.
And while you're not wrong that I have one, you are wrong in implying that it's in any way tied to something as trivial as what movies I watch. There is no "breaking point" at which I decide I'm going to imagine a completely new reality as a means to like a movie I've always liked. If I'm going to delve into self-delusion, it's going to be for something way more important than Star Wars.
But nothing is more important than Star Wars, Bobby. Star Wars is life. It is religion. It is the Force. It is printed pajama pants and Stormtrooper-themed weddings. It is breakfast cereals and global politics. The franchise's importance to you matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my fandom, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Fandom, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Fandom around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the NeoGAF forum.
 
What the fuck am I looking at here?

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As to steer away (?) this thread from the discussion regarding the canon status of the Prequels, I'll ask a question about a non-canon Sequel.

Star Wars: Legacy, to be precise.

How is it? Haven't read it yet, but, based only on Wookieepedia, it seems kinda... over the top? Like, I know SW has always been a fantasy space-opera, but SW:L feels (again, only based on those wiki readings) like full-on fantasy, more like a mythical Old Republic tale than the future of the Galaxy we saw at the end of ROTJ. Am I wrong? Is it good at all?
 
... Just going to ask, since you have a Spider-man avatar... How did you enjoy Spider-man selling his wife and marriage out to the devil to fix his irresponsible actions that got Aunt May shot in One More Day? Or were you just fine with everything a month later?

I ask for, you know... REASONS.
While I would love to see Peter an MJ married again - But I made my peace with the whole situation, especially since I now better know how the Comicbook retcon stuff works, compared when I was 14 when all the stuff happened.
PS: BND was insanely good. So many fantastic stories.
 
While I would love to see Peter an MJ married again - But I made my peace with the whole situation, especially since I now better know how the Comicbook retcon stuff works, compared when I was 14 when all the stuff happened.
PS: BND was insanely good. So many fantastic stories.

Yeah. That's sort of my point. Stuff in the past can get "tainted" a bit and your perspective on old material can change, but new stuff can still come out and be quite good while leaving the old stuff behind.

... Just like a new set of Star Wars movies.
 
To keep the Spider-Man discussion short:

yes

I'm reading THIS comic. Not THAT comic. This one. The one in front of me. Its the only thing that matters unless some other comic is referenced.

And unless the PT is explicitly referenced, I can very easily go about my life ignoring it. Its actually quite easy!
I can just confirm this.

I dont care if Darth Vader was a whiney little brat once, he still kicking ass in the OT, I can seperate it.
 
Just got done re watching Phantom Menace. I feel like there's a decent movie in there but damn did they get so many things wrong.

What was the hype like for Attack of the Clones before it was released? Were people as excited as they were for Episode 1 despite its quality, cautiously optimistic or expecting it to suck?
 
They were generally excited. The marketing campaign was pretty fast & furious. Tons of TV spots. I remember specifically that people were happy Lucas had brought a co-writer on.
 
First AOTC teaser with the breathing was pretty cool, but the hype for that one was definitely much more restrained. I barely remember anything in the months before AOTC came out, granted I wasn't paying much attention.

The general sentiment after AOTC was released was, "Strike two!" but the September 2004 DVD release (and the included BTS doc on ROTS) helped get people excited for the third one.
 
Seems like every Star Wars thread I go to, there's a few people who absolutely love Episode 3. Looks like I'll have to watch it again.

I'll say one thing, outside of eliminating Jar-Jar Binks, the best way they could have saved this trilogy is to change the romantic aspect of Episode 2 around. In the original trilogy, Ben Kenobi says that Vader was "Seduced" by the dark side. What if, instead of that creepy, stalker romance of Anakin coming onto Padme, Padme, came on to Anakin and flirted with him. He wants to stay strong with the force and being a Jedi warrior, but is tempted by her instead. I know this would make Padme look bad in many people's eyes and some would call it sexist, but it makes more sense instead of just having Anakin be this creepy asshole who no one would be surprised at when turning to the dark side. Now, his struggle betwen his duty to the jedi and his love for Padme is more relatable.
 
Damn we're still on this topic. Is the merchandising thread this much of a buzzkill? I'll have to check it out. Maybe they're discussing something fun like food tie-ins.

Shit was madness back when TPM hit. Star Wars Pepsi cans, the Pizza Hut/KFC/Taco Bell event, Jar Jar lollipops....

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Who the hell is Plinkett, and why should I care what he has to say about movies?

I've honestly never heard of him before, but he's being referenced a lot in this thread.

I don't like the vast majority of the prequels because I just don't think they're very good movies on the whole. Each film has some good stuff in it, but it also has some really bad, and objectively poorly executed stuff. I've seen an edited version of all three movies that I felt told the story better, but the poor script and acting still brought it down.

Does that mean I think the prequels didn't exist? No, of course not. I take the good with the bad. It's a 6 movie series, and not all of them are going to be winners.

I'm also a huge Star Trek and Harry Pitter fan, but not every movie in the series clicks with me. I enjoy at least 5 out of the 8 Harry Potter movies, but the ones I do t like still exist.

The prequels aren't shit, but they aren't very good either. The Clone Wars cartoon do a better job of telling the prequel story than Lucas did. But I still accept all the material as part of Star Wars. I just want TFA to be entertaining. I don't need it to recapture the magic of the OT, or erase the PT from existence Days of Future Past style.

I just want it to be a fun entry in the Star Wars Saga. I'm expecting at least that.
 
The amount Luke theories out on the net about him being a sith is getting old. We know he isn't. It's all over sites like yahoo etc.
 
The amount Luke theories out on the net about him being a sith is getting old. We know he isn't. It's all over sites like yahoo etc.

I hate that the majority of fan theories are just retreaded plotlines from the OT. Like Luke has to be a Sith. And Rey has to be Luke's daughter. Or Rey and Kylo are siblings. Or that Starkiller Base is the Death Star III.

I fully trust J.J. to avoid these tropes and actually come up with an original plot.
 
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