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[Bishop89]

That Music :'''''''')


I cant wait to hear William's follow up to Duel of the Fates during the end battle. (which im hoping there is one)

 

[Boem]

Oh the magic of the internet.

Not the biggest Star Wars fan in the world but the new one coming out is a fun big cultural tentpole for christmas, watched the trailer, got excited, came to Gaf, and even now, just a couple of hours after it came out, people are hating the entire movie and blaming the people behind it for fucking over their childhood. Jesus. Some people here have issues man. I get the classic angry cynical joyless internet guy stereotype, but this here is pretty damn extreme.

Not hating on the people here simply trying to have a fun discussion btw. It's not that I'm against someone watching this trailer and not really feeling it, but the need to feel intellectually superior (over the essence of Star Wars of all things) by blasting the intentions and purity behind it - eh. In the end the only person you're hurting with it is yourself. I'm not able to say if the new movie will be good (hope so, haven't seen it), but if these are the kinds of reactions you have to something as simple as a trailer you may want to consider that it's you that's changed, instead of the intentions of people in the movie industry. Try and remember what it's like to have fun.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

So

JJ Abrams Millennium Falcon vs JJ Abrams USS Enterprise

Which one is better?

Oh god I remember arguing phasers vs star destroyer turbolasers when I was a kid.

 

[Fahrenheit]

Multiple people have asked this question to you and you responded with "it looks like a dumb sci fi action movie cuz jj abrams" excuse to only ONE person. You don't deserve to ask this question after tooting your own horn in a dismissive manner many times.

Answer the question, don't give anyone excuses.

I'm answering as many as I can. I'm going by the content of the trailer, the track record of the director, and the track record of star wars itself which is 50/50 so far. What are you guys getting hyped over?

I think you'd be better running for office, with the massive leaps in logic you are making you'd fit right in with the republican nominees

Very topical to bring up the republicans. What leaks in logic am I making? Trailer shows a big dumb sci fi movie, the director is known for big dumb sci fi movies, what jump in logic am I making?

 

[Einchy]

Of course you didn't address my criticism, you should run for office with debating skills like that

I don't think anyone really wants to "debate" you when you try to outdo your last post's hyperbole with even more hyperbole.

 

[Tookay]

You know I gotta say, however any of us feel about this new trailer...we've come a damn long way from the old trailers. Goddamn.

I love how much Ford hams up the ESB trailer.

 

[Daft_Cat]

The trailer? It's fucking dumb. Outside of the acting of 2 actors it would be total shit. Ford looks like he rater be anywhere else but on set. Pretentious dialog, over use of CGI, and I can already see all the big dumb action set pieces, long drawl out light saber duels that mean nothing! The best fight in star wars so far is when some 100 year old dude fought some guy that couldn't see out his mask. This is soulless marking fucking the corpse of stars for every thing it's worth.

We've barely seen any lightsaber combat -- literally just one or two shots, the latest of which carries quite a bit of nuance via Finn's subtle fearfulness. Also worth nothing that we remain completely ignorant as to the context in which the fight occurs. For all we know, it could be the most meaningful, emotionally charged duel since Empire (or, in your opinion, A New Hope).

 

[BocoDragon]

So big companies can just make anything a cultural event now? I'm saying right now clear cut the only reason people will talk about Star Wars is because Disney will beat 1 out every 2 years till people stop going to see them. This as much as a cultural event as an iPhone or Transformers movie. Its all marking buzz with nothing but a hyper polished dumb but well made action movie at it's core. You wanna sit here and play word games going back and fourth to define what cultural even means then i'm out. Cultural event like when coke put peoples names on a coke can or when McDonalds started all day breakfast.

The trailer? It's fucking dumb. Outside of the acting of 2 actors it would be total shit. Ford looks like he rater be anywhere else but on set. Pretentious dialog, over use of CGI, and I can already see all the big dumb action set pieces, long drawl out light saber duels that mean nothing! The best fight in star wars so far is when some 100 year old dude fought some guy that couldn't see out his mask. This is soulless marking fucking the corpse of stars for every thing it's worth.

Comparing Star Wars to a Transformers release. Wow.

You couldn't be more wrong. And it's delightful because in only 2 months you'll see how wrong you are for yourself.

 

[Cindres]

I knew this thread would be full of typical NeoGAF negitivity. Even Reddit's thread is more positive than this. Some of you guys just love to hate things.

Loved that trailer anyway, keeping plot points close to their chest still, a few more little event reveals.
As for Finn vs Kylo, I'm still betting/hoping

Spoiler

Luke turns up to save the day around that point or something.

 

[Bishop89]

The trailer? It's fucking dumb. Outside of the acting of 2 actors it would be total shit. Ford looks like he rater be anywhere else but on set. Pretentious dialog, over use of CGI, and I can already see all the big dumb action set pieces, long drawl out light saber duels that mean nothing! The best fight in star wars so far is when some 100 year old dude fought some guy that couldn't see out his mask. This is soulless marking fucking the corpse of stars for every thing it's worth.

wow... you actually picked the worst fight across all 6 movies, and you talk about being pretentious..

 

[Fahrenheit]

I don't think anyone really wants to "debate" you when you try to outdo your last post's hyperbole with even more hyperbole.

What did you think of how Ford read his lines in the Trailer?

Is the dialog things a real person would say?

What did you think about the emphasis big dumb battles in the trailer? Is that want you want out of star wars?

We've barely seen any lightsaber combat -- literally just one or two shots, the latest of which carries quite a bit of nuance via Finn's subtle fearfulness. Also worth nothing that we remain completely ignorant as to the context in which the fight occurs. For all we know, it could be the most meaningful, emotionally charged duel since Empire (or, in your opinion, A New Hope).

I hope it is but going by the tone of the trailer I dont think we are going to get it

Comparing Star Wars to a Transformers release. Wow.

You couldn't be more wrong. And it's delightful because in only 2 months you'll see how wrong you are for yourself.

If I like it ill say I like it, hell i'm sure ill like it just like I liked the new Star Trek, good for popcorn eating and not much else

wow... you actually picked the worst fight across all 6 movies, and you talk about being pretentious..

Dude I think your gonna get the movie you want from Ep 7

 

[darkwing-buck]

THAT WAS AMAZING

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

I knew this thread would be full of typical NeoGAF negitivity. [/SPOILER]

It's mostly just one person though. Or very few.

 

[Metalmarc]

It's very good, and I'm tired, but I just felt like this was just very good, not excellent, which is not a bad thing. I will watch again later after work in 10 hours time.

I preferred the other trailers, but this ones not for me like Forbes online said.

I have some ideas what's missing from the trailer, but I know from spoilers most of those things are in the movie, since I'm not going to spoil here your going to have to wait & see in December

 

[Syf]

It's mostly just one person though. Or very few.

Yeah, most reaction has been very positive from what I'm reading.

I love that they're keeping Luke a secret and that the force users are now myths.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

What did you think of how Ford read his lines in the Trailer?

Is the dialog things a real person would say?

What did you think about the emphasis big dumb battles in the trailer? Is that want you want out of star wars?

People hate the battles in star wars. Especially ship battles. I mean if one trailer had ship battles it means that we are getting 90 minutes of it right?

 

[Daft_Cat]

What did you think of how Ford read his lines in the Trailer?

Is the dialog things a real person would say?

What did you think about the emphasis big dumb battles in the trailer? Is that want you want out of star wars?

1) Good.

2) No dialogue is.

3) Kind of, yeah. As long as they fit the stakes, and carry emotional weight.

 

[Randdalf]

That Music :'''''''')


I cant wait to hear William's follow up to Duel of the Fates during the end battle. (which im hoping there is one)

His follow up to that was the climactic music in Revenge of the Sith, during the Anakin and Obi-Wan battle.

 

[Jarmel]

People hate the battles in star wars. Especially ship battles. I mean if one trailer had ship battles it means that we are getting 90 minutes of it right?

I preferred the Gungan politics of old. It had a certain sophistication to it missing in these modern Bay films.

 

[SlowRevolution]

if the movie ends without anyone tripping over that robot ball i'm calling shenanigans.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

So big companies can just make anything a cultural event now? I'm saying right now clear cut the only reason people will talk about Star Wars is because Disney will beat 1 out every 2 years till people stop going to see them. This as much as a cultural event as an iPhone or Transformers movie. Its all marking buzz with nothing but a hyper polished dumb but well made action movie at it's core. You wanna sit here and play word games going back and fourth to define what cultural even means then i'm out. Cultural event like when coke put peoples names on a coke can or when McDonalds started all day breakfast.

Uh yes, we live in a capitalist economic system with a strong emphasis on media consumption so it would be quite surprising if big companies were not the source of a significant portion of culture. How else would you define culture if not things that are broadly popular and long-lasting? It's not word-games to ask what your definition of culture is when it's the entire crux of the discussion. That said, you can't just replicate/manufacture the cultural significance of Star Wars, otherwise we would have 5 John Carter sequels.

Quality does not equal quality, i'm saying this "cultural event" is meaningless and worthless as a 2 year old iPhone with a busted screen

"Good" Quality is not a necessary condition that must be met to satisfy cultural significance (to say nothing of disputing what 'good' means). If I ask the average American what the name of the newest Broadway play is and what the newest Iphone model is called, they're going to know the latter at much higher proportions than the former. Whether that's a good or bad thing 'values' wise is different from whether one is more culturally significant than the other. McDonald's, Iphones, Star Wars, they're all staples of American culture, they don't get disqualified because they're part of for-profit business.

Star Wars and Obama run at similar levels of interest in 'up' and 'down' years. If Star Wars isn't culturally meaningful, then Obama isn't either and that doesn't make a lick of sense. Hell, the mere background radiation of Star Wars interest a decade out from the last theatrical release captures more interest then the peak intensity surrounding the latest Transformers movie. You compare them release to release and they're not even in the same orbit.

 

[Creamium]

Holy shit, best trailer ever. I cried like a baby

 

[Einchy]

What did you think of how Ford read his lines in the Trailer?

Is the dialog things a real person would say?

What did you think about the emphasis big dumb battles in the trailer? Is that want you want out of star wars?

It was fine? The way you talk about it you'd think it was The Room level bad or something.

Rey: Those stories about what happened.
Han: It's true, all of it. The Dark Side, the Jedi, they're real.

What about that is something a real person wouldn't say? And it's also clearly edited down for the sake of the trailer and not how their conversation will play out in the movie. Even if it wasn't edited, there's nothing wrong with those lines and they are in no way pretentious.

Why do you keep calling everything in this trailer dumb? There's a battle, yeah, so what? The other Star Wars had them, this movie will have them as well. What's dumb about a space battle?

What exactly do YOU want from Star Wars? Because it seems like what you want isn't what Star Wars is.

 

[Fj0823]

Im kinda glad to be experiencing the birth of a whole new sect of Original Trilogy purists with Fahrenheit

Back in 99 I was just a 7 year old kid wishing to go on a podrace at full speed and too scared of Darth Maul's face to even watch the end of the movie without hugging my mom at the theater.

So I missed all the fun

 

[maquiladora]

A very different trailer from the first two. The film certainly looks impressive.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Holy cow. Just let the guy have his opinion.

We are all just making projections of quality based on a carefully edited 2.5 minute promotional clip. It's an argument that can't be answered for another couple months even if some people have already made up their own minds one way or the other.... Just save his quotes for the tomato meter thread like most Gaffers do. Assuming the film plays out like you guys project.

Aw, I'm not even talking about the quality of The Force Awakens. I just want to know what they saw in that one particular movie that doesn't exist in this one particular trailer.

 

[T-0800]

As someone who watched the original Star Wars as an 8 year old at drive in theatre in the late 70s this trailer brought me close to tears. Can't wait to watch it. So glad the internet didn't exist back then.

 

[Real Hero]

Man, that trailer did not do it for me.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

What did you think about the emphasis big dumb battles in the trailer? Is that want you want out of star wars?

Cant answer the question, havent seen the movie yet

Looked more like a scene that showed the superiority of the empire... Like back then, when they had 50 stardestroyer over Hoth... Or when they attacked the second deathstar and suddenly thousand of TIEs were in front of the rebellion... Oh, wait.

 

[Jonm1010]

To be fair, we knew the conclusion all along. I mean, we knew that Anakin would become Vader, we knew he would duel with Obi-Wan and we knew he would be left badly scarred so that he needed the suit.

Revenge of the Sith was still an awful movie though, but you can't knock the trailer for showing too much, since we already knew everything that was going to happen.

Your post got me thinking.

I think the Star Wars prequels(and prequels in general) were always fighting an uphill battle. Especially in Star Wars where so much of the appeal of the original trilogy was the adventure, the unknown, the wonder and the twists and turns.

Yes there was more to it but unlike the original trilogy you are going into the prequels knowing the entire arc from the outset. It takes away a lot of that magic.

With this trilogy we are back to a place where the future is still unknown. Which re-opens the ability for the film to do a lot of the things the original trilogy did that the prequels really couldn't.

 

[Tookay]

What did you think of how Ford read his lines in the Trailer?

Is the dialog things a real person would say?

What did you think about the emphasis big dumb battles in the trailer? Is that want you want out of star wars?

Good, but you can tell the spliced and edited them.

Yes?

It's almost like there's a "war" going on in my "Star Wars."

 

[Filth]

I haven't been keeping up with the thread but is it known that

Spoiler

luke

was in the trailer?

 

[shem935]

What did you think of how Ford read his lines in the Trailer?

Is the dialog things a real person would say?

What did you think about the emphasis big dumb battles in the trailer? Is that want you want out of star wars?

1. He read them well. They are pulled out of context and cut for a trailer.

2. No. A real person would not say "the Jedi were real". Know why? Cause Star Wars is fake.

3. Like the big dumb battles that happened in 2 of the ot and 2 of the prequels? Yes. They are fun spectacle and mean even more when we care about the characters which was what the ot succeeded at and the prequels largely failed at.

 

[Fahrenheit]

People hate the battles in star wars. Especially ship battles. I mean if one trailer had ship battles it means that we are getting 90 minutes of it right?

So do you think the prequels use of action was good?

1) Good.

2) No dialogue is.

3) Kind of, yeah. As long as they fit the stakes, and carry emotional weight.

We'll have to agree to disagree, Ford is acting the same way he did in the last Indie movie. Good movies have dialogue that's real and organic feeling, helps you believe what is happening to the characters. And for number 3, do you think Star Treks action had emotional weight?

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

What did you think of how Ford read his lines in the Trailer?

Is the dialog things a real person would say?

What did you think about the emphasis big dumb battles in the trailer? Is that want you want out of star wars?

Seems like someone has never seen a Star Wars movie

 

[BocoDragon]

If I like it ill say I like it, hell i'm sure ill like it just like I liked the new Star Trek, good for popcorn eating and not much else

Again, it's not about the quality of the film.

It's about the impact the release will have on culture... and what will happen in December will be have a bigger impact than any random Harry Potter, LotR, Marvel, Transformers, etc

 

[Admiral Woofington]

if the movie ends without anyone tripping over that robot ball i'm calling shenanigans.

That robot is as round as a fucking orange

 

[TAJ]

What did you think of how Ford read his lines in the Trailer?

Is the dialog things a real person would say?

What did you think about the emphasis big dumb battles in the trailer? Is that want you want out of star wars?

It's like you've never seen a trailer before and don't know why they're made.

 

[Hagi]

I preferred the Gungan politics of old. It had a certain sophistication to it missing in these modern Bay films.

Say what you want about Jar Jar least he wasn't pretentious!

 

[T-0800]

The ironic thing about "finishing what you started" is that Vader redeemed himself in the end

Yeah but no one saw it apart from Luke.

 

[ExVicis]

Back in 99 I was just a 7 year old kid wishing to go on a podrace at full speed and too scared of Darth Maul's face to even watch the end of the movie without hugging my mom at the theater.

Personally I always found Ray Park's face to be funny, especially with that red face paint.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Its a far better trailer than the prequel films. Those gave away way too much.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I haven't been keeping up with the thread but is it known that

Spoiler

luke

was in the trailer?

Where?

 

[Jarmel]

And for number 3, do you think Star Treks action had emotional weight?

The USS Kelvin sequence was fantastic.

 

[Jonm1010]

Aw, I'm not even talking about the quality of The Force Awakens. I just want to know what they saw in that one particular movie that doesn't exist in this one particular trailer.

It just seems like everyone is targeting Fahrenheit because he is the one with a deviant opinion of the trailer in this thread compared to the consensus. Sorry if I threw you into the group piling onto him.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

So do you think the prequels use of action was good?



We'll have to agree to disagree, Ford is acting the same way he did in the last Indie movie. Good movies have dialogue that's real and organic feeling, helps you believe what is happening to the characters. And for number 3, do you think Star Treks action had emotional weight?

The fuck does that have anything to do with a movie with a new director from a new team?

Also what kind of entrapment argument is this lol.

"I liked the battles in the original trilogy"

"did you like it in the prequels? Checkmate atheists"

 

[RuinerPrime]

Black Storm Trooper is already my favorite Star Wars character. He's gonna be like Kyle Katarn going from total scrublord to force-wielding badass over the span of the movie.

He looks like Jon Snow from the back.

 

[Tookay]

It just seems like everyone is targeting Fahrenheit because he is the one with a deviant opinion of the trailer in this thread compared to the consensus. Sorry if I threw you into the group piling onto him.

It's not really a matter of a deviant opinion.

It's that said deviant opinion doesn't make a lot of sense.

He's complaining about battles being emphasized (1) in an ad that's supposed to sell you on excitement and (2) for a movie called Star WARS.

 

[Hagi]

It just seems like everyone is targeting Fahrenheit because he is the one with a deviant opinion of the trailer in this thread compared to the consensus. Sorry if I threw you into the group piling onto him.

I couldn't give two shits about him not liking the trailer, he veered into posting absolute nonsense quite quickly.

 

[CD'S BAR]

That Music :'''''''')


I cant wait to hear William's follow up to Duel of the Fates during the end battle. (which im hoping there is one)

His follow up to that was the climactic music in Revenge of the Sith, during the Anakin and Obi-Wan battle.

I'm hoping for no music in the inevitable end battle. No music with emphasis on visceral sfx like in IV and V.