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Starbound Beta Thread - Begins December 4th!
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This is not acceptable even as a beta. There are numerous ways to fix a weapon value error instead of wiping the entire character. This is lazy. Character wipes should be a last resort not a quick fix.
If they are going to wipe after every little typo/mistake we are in for a very poor experience.
This is a beta that was stating before hand as having a high probability for multiple character wipes. If you don't like this possibility, then just wait for this phase to end. Why should the developers spend a bunch of extra time working around a wipe instead of spending that time fixing bugs and adding features?
I don't really understand why a wipe is necessary, personally. At least not for a changing a few item values.
They won't since they released one patch without the need to wipe.
And lazy? Do you work for them? You know their processes and how the game is built?
Man, I'm getting Diablo III flashbacks looking at some of the posts out there. "Why are there character wipes in my SINGLE PLAYER GAME", blargh. They had a clear message up front about character wipes being likely during stage 1.
They could have done it without a wipe by adding some code to update "legacy" items to the new scaling and tag them as "version 2" or whatever, but I think that's complicating things too much. The reset's a better use of the dev time.
They could have done it without a wipe by adding some code to update "legacy" items to the new scaling and tag them as "version 2" or whatever, but I think that's complicating things too much. The reset's a better use of the dev time.
I dont mean this as an insult, but people are so used to betas been pretty much soft launch that they dont expect the ugliness of real betas. Had the developers not stated that this was a real beta and what it entailed then I would understand people feeling uncomfortable.
But the reality is, unfortunately for some people, that this is a REAL beta, ugliness and all and it has been advertised since day 1 as so. Here on GAF, on YT quicklooks, and most importantly on the devs website. If you are bothered by this, just wait until phase 2 of the beta rolls out. It shouldn't be long until it does.
But the reality is, unfortunately for some people, that this is a REAL beta, ugliness and all and it has been advertised since day 1 as so. Here on GAF, on YT quicklooks, and most importantly on the devs website. If you are bothered by this, just wait until phase 2 of the beta rolls out. It shouldn't be long until it does.
Why would it damage the games reputation? I could understand if this was the final release but it's beta and it should be expected that things will crash, break, and possibly be wiped, This is part of testing a game.
Patently Right
Member
Y'all do that and I'll just say that I think the regularity of the wipes mean that they're trying to weed out the more casual players and the ones who will complain when a core mechanic changes. It's just a theory, but it might just be true.
FRIENDLY REMINDER:
-WIPES WIPES WIPES WIPES WIPES!!!! Your save file will be WIPED!!!
-There is a really high possibility of character and world wipes at any time! (We're in Beta Phase 1 of 3, still)
-This is a REAL BETA, shit will break and shit will break hard. So expect things to break at the least opportune moment.
-Report any bugs, crashes and suggestions you may have, this will help the dev improve the game.
-Try and avoid posting things that may be too spoilery (Including Screenshots) in the mean time. ie you played for many many hours consecutively and you found some really cool mid/late game thing. If you must post something, use the spoiler tags please.
-Yes, there is a GAF server for multiplayer, thanks HaRyu!!! Quote the OP to find the server info and password hidden behind Email tags.
-When in doubt, press E on everything!
Remember that the game just came out and a lot of its enjoyment is exploration. Give everyone a chance to play the game and see stuff on their own. This way, people will know they wont get spoiled and keep coming to the thread to talk.
Thank you!
-WIPES WIPES WIPES WIPES WIPES!!!! Your save file will be WIPED!!!
-There is a really high possibility of character and world wipes at any time! (We're in Beta Phase 1 of 3, still)
-This is a REAL BETA, shit will break and shit will break hard. So expect things to break at the least opportune moment.
-Report any bugs, crashes and suggestions you may have, this will help the dev improve the game.
-Try and avoid posting things that may be too spoilery (Including Screenshots) in the mean time. ie you played for many many hours consecutively and you found some really cool mid/late game thing. If you must post something, use the spoiler tags please.
-Yes, there is a GAF server for multiplayer, thanks HaRyu!!! Quote the OP to find the server info and password hidden behind Email tags.
-When in doubt, press E on everything!
Remember that the game just came out and a lot of its enjoyment is exploration. Give everyone a chance to play the game and see stuff on their own. This way, people will know they wont get spoiled and keep coming to the thread to talk.
Thank you!
theMrCravens
Member
The amount of people furious about wipes is mind boggling.
Not so much on GAF, but any other Starbound related forum/threads.
Not so much on GAF, but any other Starbound related forum/threads.
I'm not really annoyed by the wipe as such, it just seems odd for something like weapon damage value changes to necessitate character wipes. I'm no programmer, but it still seems like haphazard program design if you can't change one without breaking the other.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
They have been completely up front about this, and it's been said hundreds of times already:
IN THIS STAGE OF BETA, PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK.
If you are not okay with this, then stop playing and wait for a phase or two more please.
Lol that's exactly what I though when I saw that tweet. Maybe next time they release a big patch like this they won't rush it an test it before uploading it.
Because there should be a system in place to make item modifications without destroying the character. How many times in an MMO/RPG are items nerfed? The items value changes without the character needing to be restarted from level 0. Are they suggesting that items will never be modified in the future under this system?
Everyone (including me) is willing to excuse this stuff for 'this is BETA' but this constant wipe will kill players, lets players, and twitch streamers morale. Additionally, not everyone who bought the game on steam is willing to follow up on this stuff and understand why their character keeps getting wiped.
Perhaps I am not understanding the depths of this 'weapon damage bug' and it is more serious than it looks.
GazzaScotland
Member
While that is true, for many who picked it up only seeing it on Steam there is no mention on the store page about it. Maybe they should update the "Early Access" bit on the page.
Edit: I don't mind too much, just means I will just get round to playing other games before coming back to Starbound.
I'm not upset at all about character wipes. What does concern me is it seems this wipe will be because they rushed a game system changing patch out the door the nanosecond they could.
I hope they don't get in a cycle of rush to patch, rush to fix what the patch broke, rush to fix what the patch for the patch broke. All to keep their fans smiling rather than for the good of the game.
Yay that was fun even if I died every 30 seconds due to op creatures in the wild. I'm Ensirus btw.
On the last patch, I believe TiY said that one of the girls was working on something so that in the future they could do balancing without having to do wipes. They just rolled out a completely new system out so my guess is that character and worlds are tied in somehow to the new system therefore the need for the wipe. But it definitely seems that they are working on a system were they can balance without wipes in the future.
arts&crafts
Member
All planets are threat level 1 now? In the alpha sector
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
No, of course not, but such a system is not in place yet because
THIS IS A BETA!!!!!!!
They are working on other things right now and many features are not even in the game yet, let alone working.
Stop being butthurt over something you were more than warned about. Again, if you don't like it, stop playing for a few months. Relax, play other games, stop torturing yourself.
I'm guessing that a wipe would be faster than having to write something that checks to see if a character has an item and nerf it. I'm assuming the items have a randomly generated ID and nothing static, so unlike an MMO there isn't an index like 1= Poopsmasher, etc. Plus playing and losing characters is so much better than waiting even longer for this game.
aY227
Member
This.
And propably another 800MB patch for a hotfix...
Path of Exile have 2 (two) wipes... and its waaaaaay more complicated.
(and dont be silly with those "friendly" reminders about beta... I played like ~15 closed/open betas and this one is most ridiculous one)
Few more wipes and peoples will open their eyes.
GazzaScotland
Member
Yep, not to mention potential wipes in the "What the developers say..." will ensure you'll get all sorts kicking off on the Steam discussions.
Will they fix almost not working armors and shields too? Or they will wipe everything again in few days again ...
I dont get why they need to wipe it now. Whats the point of beta testing, when You cant even test things.
And to think that they could fix the game by just adjusting armor penetration and damage scaling in the old system ...
Why wont they adapt Path of Exile system, where like dozen of selected people is alpha testing patches before release?
Well, does it really need a wipe? Let those who created screwed up DPS items keep them. This is a beta after all. Fix the problem so new items created after the patch aren't broken. If someone wants to cheese the game with 5000 dps let them. They could do it if they wanted editing the game files anyway.
My point is that there are so many solutions here that a wipe is a very poor one.
Well I would say you haven't experienced a real beta if character wipe (which is a process needed to test progression too) is the most ridiculous thing you've experienced. Regardless of that, THIS beta was clear from day one on what you should expect from it. The devs did not hide it, you were not tricked by anyone and it was clearly stated from day 1.
Ingueferroque
Banned
You should probably go and join the Starbound team, sounds like they could use you.
Open their eyes to what? The exact thing that the devs said would happen? Wow.
They're not just adjusting the damage on some weapons and stuff; They're rebalancing the whole game to use a different system on how it deals with damage. NPC armor ratings, health, weapon damage, threat level of planets, etc. It's not something you want to leave halfway done, even if that means that people will lose their old stuff. And allowing for legacy items(if it even is possible) would create even more work for the devs, which would delay the finished game even more.
No, its not a beta, its an alpha.
And no, 2 wipes in 5 days are not normal even for an alpha. Why? Because You cant test everything in that time, so You are wasting time with those wipes.
And You test patches before release. Community is good at finding smaller bugs or unusual ones, but obvious ones should be eliminated before patch release.
And yeah, people expected wipes in '1st beta stage', which is perfectly normal, because this stage will take at least 3-4 months, so 3-5 wipes were understandable, but now i think we are going for some kind of world record.
I say keep the weapons in, put a note on the launcher saying that steel weapons are a bit borked right now, then fold the weapons fix into a substantial patch. That way we don't get wipes for every little thing.
And i'm pretty shocked how developer say in the past "release 2013" when the game is far from complete right now
Technosteve
Banned
I think there should be a psa this is a tru beta, not one of those "Demo betas" that you have for popular shooters.
Except it says beta in the game and doesn't mention wipes on the store page. Really dumb, imo. It's going to turn a lot of people who haven't been following the game closely off.
fluffydelusions
Member
Its true alpha with wrong patch coordination and releases.
There is nothing 'beta' about this release so far, except maybe for a name.