Flash is the best RTS player in the history of video games. This is not an exaggeration.
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Flash is the best RTS player in the history of video games. This is not an exaggeration.
They call Flash God for a reason. He is by far the #1 Broodwar player of all time, has been consistently at the top for years, and has both the highest skill level ever in Broodwar and holds most of the achievement records.
I really hope he switches to SC2 instead of LoL. Many of the Broodwar pros are looking at LoL right now. If Flash switches to LoL, the Broodwar fans will simply refuse to switch to SC2 and SC2 would suffer greatly. Bringing Flash over to SC2 would have a bigger impact than Boxer did. Boxer is famous for being the first real champion and pioneering Broodwar esports. Flash is famous for being the best of the best for a longer period than anyone in Broodwar history and still being on a hot streak despite just coming back from Carpel Tunnel surgery. I have no doubt that his work ethic, strategic thinking, and star sense would translate to SC2.
Imagine MVP during his most dominant run in 2011. Imagine someone that successful and clearly on top of everyone maintain that for ~4 years. That's Flash.
I really hope he switches to SC2 instead of LoL. Many of the Broodwar pros are looking at LoL right now. If Flash switches to LoL, the Broodwar fans will simply refuse to switch to SC2 and SC2 would suffer greatly. Bringing Flash over to SC2 would have a bigger impact than Boxer did. Boxer is famous for being the first real champion and pioneering Broodwar esports. Flash is famous for being the best of the best for a longer period than anyone in Broodwar history and still being on a hot streak despite just coming back from Carpel Tunnel surgery. I have no doubt that his work ethic, strategic thinking, and star sense would translate to SC2.
Imagine MVP during his most dominant run in 2011. Imagine someone that successful and clearly on top of everyone maintain that for ~4 years. That's Flash.
OrangeYouGlad
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He hasn't said it I don't believe, but there are a few BW players looking at DOTA/MOBA games over SC2.
He hasn't said what game he would switch to. Several SC2 players have said they're considering LoL though. I read an interview somewhere of a top BW pro saying he's favoring LoL at the moment, but I can't remember which one. I don't think it was Flash, but LoL is on OGN and SC2 isn't. LoL is also becoming the most popular game in Korea so it wouldn't be that shocking for BW pros to switch to it over SC2.
Not being on TV severely limits the casual audience of SC2 in Korea. Blizzard needs to kiss KeSPA and OGN ass to get SC2 on OGN. In fact, that's likely why Mike Morhaime was in Korea last week. Once the deal to get LoL on OGN with a giant prize pool was announced, Blizzard's CEO had to get his ass to Korea to cut a deal to get SC2 on OGN or risk the SC2 Korean esports scene collapsing.
KeSPA definitely has the power in negotiations now. I bet Blizzard didn't even think of the possibility of KeSPA and OGN moving to LoL as their premier esport. Blizzard assumed that Broodwar would eventually die and KeSPA and OGN would come begging to Blizzard for SC2 to keep them relevant. Instead, Riot presented them with League of Legends as a replacement for Broodwar that's both cheaper and less restrictive than working with Blizzard for SC2.
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Inside the game is on. hopefully idra will tell us how bad stephano is.
Flash going to lol instead of sc2 would be terribly sad.
Inside the game is on. hopefully idra will tell us how bad stephano is.
Flash going to lol instead of sc2 would be terribly sad.
He would have to play as the entire team just to keep from being bored.
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Flash is an amazing player and his skills would transfer to Starcraft 2 far better than they would to LoL. There is not doubt that he would be a top tier player in league but he is basically guaranteed to dominate the SC2 scene if he were to switch.
That said, you guys should play LoL with me sometime
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"1 vs. 5 eh?"
"Seems about fair."
That said, you guys should play LoL with me sometime
."1 vs. 5 eh?"
"Seems about fair."
Flash is an amazing player and his skills would transfer to Starcraft 2 far better than they would to LoL. There is not doubt that he would be a top tier player in league but he is basically guaranteed to dominate the SC2 scene if he were to switch.
That said, you guys should play LoL with me sometime
"1 vs. 5 eh?"
"Seems about fair."
Boxer doesn't play LoL. How could you.
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OrangeYouGlad
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Flash is an amazing player and his skills would transfer to Starcraft 2 far better than they would to LoL. There is not doubt that he would be a top tier player in league but he is basically guaranteed to dominate the SC2 scene if he were to switch.
That said, you guys should play LoL with me sometime
"1 vs. 5 eh?"
"Seems about fair."
I tried to play LoL, but I couldn't get past the terrible community that comes with DOTA style games.
I can go to housecraft if i can get someone to look after my dog, working on it now. 90% i'm going.
ShallNoiseUpon
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That's why you play with GAF or RL friends.
OrangeYouGlad
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Mcrae is 50%. Depends on boobies.
Getting them? Or letting him go?
PhoenixDark
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Huh?
You need SO many vikings to beat broodlord/corruptor, and then ultras can come out and you'll have no tanks and not enough ground units if you've been making that many vikings and you lose
or vice versa, you make tons of tanks and marauders and he switches from ultra to broodlord and you lose
Terran takes too long to switch between anti-broodlord and anti-ultra, Ghost snipe made Bio versatile late game. Now you have to do tons of damage mid game or Zerg just wins late game.
I'm of similar sentiment.
Whatever can deal with ling/bane/infestor trades. If it's more tanks or hellions in front of stuff, then make those.
Then you need the ability to hit before Hive timing, or amass a strong 200/200 comp which is basically mech.
Ya, because mass Thors is pretty decent against both Ultras and Broods. Also, you need fewer vikings when you have Thors because Thors splash Corruptors that bunch up in addition to helping to chip down Broodlords.
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Mississauga, TheNix's via Go Bus, 2pm-10:30pm, March 25th, HOUSECRAFT:
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Zzoram
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90% Going:
scogoth
Spl1nter
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Great now I look like the only douche not going!
I'm not sold on this.
3-3 broodlings and probably 2-2 air is brutal to deal with and Thors kill shit really goddam slow in the air. Corruptors and BL have high HP and Corruptors have base armor. You can't rely on splash to do your work.
Vikings need to be made then microed in battle, not massed in 40 food. After the fights go clean ovies and drop a base or two to kill drones while hellions run around if possible, then regroup when you need to?
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MLG Winter Championship in Columbus - Final Day
Mississauga, TheNix's via Go Bus, 2pm-10:30pm, March 25th, HOUSECRAFT:
Going:
TheNiX
Zzoram
Pandaman
90% Going:
scogoth
Spl1nter
50% Going:
mcrae
Not Going:
hoverX
jasonng
You're a douche too.
PhoenixDark
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Ah ok; misunderstood the initial Idra comment. I think bio would still be viable, but moreso as harass to exploit the slow late game zerg army. I'm also surprised Terran seem to have completely abandoned Ghosts after the nerf; they're still viable to a degree against Broods, they have just gone from completely imbalanced to more fair.
I'm surprised more Terran don't go OV hunting with Vikings. Then again there's the danger of being snagged by Infestors well out of position of the rest of the Terran army.
A lot of players have this weird idea that since a unit has been nerfed, it is now useless and the solution to whatever problem they're having must be elsewhere. That's why you get shit like Terrans not even building ghosts vs Infestors after the nerf. It makes no god damned sense but they do it anyways and then lose.
Stephano said he thinks Ghosts are useless because EMP radius is so small it's useless against Infestors since it would be lucky to hit more than 1 fat Infestor at a time. As for Snipe, Broodlords have about the same range, so if Infestors stay just behind them, you can't get past the Broodlings.
Look at nix, pouring that salt on.
EMP usually hits 3-5 infestors. Its the same radius as storm. But you need to hit two emps on late game, max energy infestors.
Terran seems to be able to handle Broodlord > Ultra tech switches very easily even if they have a ton of vikings so long as they're anywhere near zerg in supply. Ultras aren't very good against well controlled mech or bio.
The problem in the matchup is clearly fungal growth wrecks the shit out of vikings (storm....plus ensnare?!? = lol chain fungals ezpz) and with broodlords theres nothing apart from ghosts that can nullify the infestors. Ghosts still work except its very risky if they all get fungaled (I have never seen ghosts get split, ever) its gg.
Terran seems to be able to handle Broodlord > Ultra tech switches very easily even if they have a ton of vikings so long as they're anywhere near zerg in supply. Ultras aren't very good against well controlled mech or bio.
The problem in the matchup is clearly fungal growth wrecks the shit out of vikings (storm....plus ensnare?!? = lol chain fungals ezpz) and with broodlords theres nothing apart from ghosts that can nullify the infestors. Ghosts still work except its very risky if they all get fungaled (I have never seen ghosts get split, ever) its gg.
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Fungal should really be a 50% slow instead of a hold imo. Spells/Units that negate micro are not fun at all to watch.
I don't know whether or not its too much micro to split ghosts. You pretty much never see terrans split vikings either although it does happen from time to time. But either way I was just stating the problem, not predicting the solution.
Terrans, a single patch ago, used to just mass ghosts late-game and snipe/emp carpet everything. Literally walking the ghosts into broodlord range and snipe them down whilst the broodlings are hitting them.
Is 6 -> 10 snipes needed a hugeeeee nerf? Yes. But mass ghosts were very obviously too dominant late-game (like archon toilet, but splitting your army or positioning them over spines/spores did nothing). Are they now completely useless though? TBD IMO. It seemed like most terrans abandoned ghosts the day of the patch, literally.
Terrans, a single patch ago, used to just mass ghosts late-game and snipe/emp carpet everything. Literally walking the ghosts into broodlord range and snipe them down whilst the broodlings are hitting them.
Is 6 -> 10 snipes needed a hugeeeee nerf? Yes. But mass ghosts were very obviously too dominant late-game (like archon toilet, but splitting your army or positioning them over spines/spores did nothing). Are they now completely useless though? TBD IMO. It seemed like most terrans abandoned ghosts the day of the patch, literally.
Corran Horn
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that'd only be a problem if there was some other way for zerg to reliably combat vikings.
also lol storm comparisons.
PhoenixDark
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use ur Queens. Make sure to lay creep with them using ur Overlords.