DiipuSurotu
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Stargate SG-1 - Daniel is the Main Character
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And your evidence is?
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
I'm a bit late to this thread.
I enjoyed SG-1 season 9 and 10 but I often wonder how it would have fared if it was rebranded as Stargate Command as originally intended? Also I'll always be sour that we'll never get that final SG-1 movie focusing on Jack and the public disclosure of the Stargate Program. Emmerich and Delvin's reboots can burn in Ne'tu.
I enjoyed SG-1 season 9 and 10 but I often wonder how it would have fared if it was rebranded as Stargate Command as originally intended? Also I'll always be sour that we'll never get that final SG-1 movie focusing on Jack and the public disclosure of the Stargate Program. Emmerich and Delvin's reboots can burn in Ne'tu.
hobblygobbly
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I don't have hard evidence, it was rumours on forums like gateworld (large stargate fan site/forum) at the time but it's because Universe was in development and pitched while Atlantis was still running, many argue that Atlantis was rushed to capitalise on the interest of Stargate. It's pretty apparent how the last season of Atlantis was rushed, especially last half of it. Brad Wright also blamed Atlantis fans for the failure of Universe (in regards to ratings), many people felt how it was rushed and then Universe came to be and refused to watch it. There is no evidence outside of that and no producer/writer has officially said one way or another, all we know is that Universe was pitched and received well by the network while Atlantis was still running (in the actual writing/production department). Atlantis has an increase of steady viewership over all seasons, so it wasn't as if people weren't watching it, quite the opposite so many don't feel it was cancelled for ratings/viewership either.
Searched on the gateworld site and found this as well (not really evidence but some explanations that may give insight: http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/01/why-was-stargate-atlantis-cancelled/
Bah, true Teal'c would have reduced him to a thin layer of emo soup on the walls of the Atlantis fighting room.
Props to Atlantis for having the awesome Christopher Heyerdahl as multiple characters though.
My man.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Super hardcore SG fans hate it.
Sanctuary did the same thing.
I started out on Showtime until it was canned and taken up by Sci-fi (and what a shitshow it was there in terms of renewal), that's why season 1 was so dark by comparison. Also, Anderson and co wanted to tone it down ("That's 'O'Neill', with TWO L's").
Martin wants to make a Wormhole Xtreme movie out of the TV show that is already based around SG1s adventures (and features the other Deluise brothers)
DiipuSurotu
Banned
SGU Season 2 is better than SG-1 Season 1. There I said it.
Succinct Verbosity
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Yes. It was everything right about Stargate. I feel like the reason Stargate Universe failed was because it lost a lot of the humour.
Zomba13
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I knew what that link would be before clicking it. One of my favourite episodes of anything ever.
TheVampire
Banned
The best part about SG1 was how Earth kept on getting all the best tech and by the end of the series is the most powerful in the universe.
It was kinda ridiculous that in about 10 years they went from getting punked by D-tier Goa'ulds to having both Ancients and Asgard level tech, defeating evil Ancients, moving between galaxies, basically being the super power in the Milky Way, all without everyone Earth knowing.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Naw. Groundhog's day was great, but it's no 1969 or 200.
Stargate SG-1 is, possibly, the greatest scifi show of all time. It's certainly my favorite. Perfect blend of action, adventure, and yes, comedy. Grounded, but in a good way; rather than limiting its stories, it... focuses them. Viewing things through the eyes of people we recognize as being like us. It also let them do stuff like the episode where Teal'c gets an apartment off base, which was fantastic.
It was kinda ridiculous that in about 10 years they went from getting punked by D-tier Goa'ulds to having both Ancients and Asgard level tech, defeating evil Ancients, moving between galaxies, basically being the super power in the Milky Way, all without everyone Earth knowing.
We had Daniel Jackson, Sam Carter and McKay on our side. There's no surprise.
Love Stargate, love daniel, love Sam, love McKay
And I agree Daniel is the true Main Character (If you don't count the SG-1 unit as a character)
Saiyan-Rox
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I miss SG1 and Atlantis so much it was my favorite show growing up.
It;s funny going to the very start and seeing the small mistakes they made until they got into the stride of the story. it's such a shame it stopped but the ori stuff couldn't stand up against the original story especially when they got rid of O'Neill completely
It;s funny going to the very start and seeing the small mistakes they made until they got into the stride of the story. it's such a shame it stopped
but the ori stuff couldn't stand up against the original story especially when they got rid of O'Neill completelyYep by the end of the main series runs Earth had full access to Goauld tech, Ancient tech, Asgard tech (complete with a handy 'everything you need to know guide') a good chunk of Wraith tech and Ori tech. Ships that could travel between galaxies in days is just one tiny part of it.
So then Universe comes around and suddenly a few left over Goauld ships which would get totally jobbed by a single Earth ship are the big bad now? And a clapped out Ancient ship lumbering its way across the universe is unreachable? Please.
The stargate franchise reached its natural end because Earth won, in the great game of galactic civilisation despite a poor start they pulled off an immense technological victory.
There have been failed attempts at Stargate SG-1 games before, but what you just said would be amazing.
Civilization: Stargate Edition
Pick your race (Ancient, Asgard, Goa'uld, Human, Jaffa, Nox, Ori Prior, Replicator, Tollan, Unas, Wraith), your starting galaxy and starting world.
Then play out Civ across the universe, rather than on a single planet.
Oh, also found out that it looks like anyone with a library that supports Hoopla also has access to all of SG-1, completely free of charge.
https://www.hoopladigital.com/title/11053231;jsessionid=96F76F2A60F2AEEA36FE15C9D9E1CD62
DiipuSurotu
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The Luxians are basically terrorists.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
And that is where the planned final Stargate DTV film was going to come in... until it was canned. I'll always be bitter, doubly so because they probably can't tell us the planned plots for the films and the end of Universe.It was kinda ridiculous that in about 10 years they went from getting punked by D-tier Goa'ulds to having both Ancients and Asgard level tech, defeating evil Ancients, moving between galaxies, basically being the super power in the Milky Way, all without everyone Earth knowing.
DiipuSurotu
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President Hayes was actually going to make the Stargate Program public in a speech in a deleted scene of the season 7 finale. Originally, Stargate SG-1 was meant to end right there and Stargate Atlantis would have acted as a sequel series instead of a spinoff series. Obviously things changed when the series got renewed for a season.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Definitely up there. The sense of progression is unmatched. I think my favorite is probably the escalation of "stuff we send through the gate," even though it's less... dramatic than, say, the space travel efforts.
First, the humble MALP.
Then, an unmanned aerial drone.
Then, a laser-guided missile guided by said drone. And the Goa'uld sees the laser on his breatplate and tries to brush it off... lawd.
LastGamer84
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Indeed...
The plausible ways that the SGC and SG-1 slowly work to undermine the Goa'uld are what make the series great. At the beginning of the series they're outmatched technologically, but can out-think their opponents because of the way the Goa'uld ritualized their technology to keep control. By demonstrating that they were in fact false gods, SG-1 was able to destroy their base of power. Not having the reverence for the tech that the Jaffa did, the SGC was able to adapt and improve it. Eventually the stagnation of the Goa'uld became their downfall. Hilariously, the fact that a small group of humans from a backwater planet taking down system lords probably did the most damage to the god cred the Goa'uld were clinging too.
So we go from - firing shoulder mounted rockets at death gliders
To full fledged spaceships capable of taking out multiple motherships in a believable way.
Succinct Verbosity
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My favourite part of SG-1 was its secrecy actually. I know the political intrigue entered the show at a latrer date, but I liked the fact that the President was simply "The President" so that when you're watching it you can actually believe this stuff is happening. Most fiction has to warp reality and create slight variations of our reality to make it work, but the SGC made everything so much more believable.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Heads up, last time I checked all of SG-1 and Atlantis is on Hulu US.
I will always have head cannon that O'Neill made the Stargate and the program public, and that Universe and Atlantis would tie back into this somehow.
Team Filler
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As much as I love 200, I think I love Citizen Joe even more. Ridiculously hilarious injokes and meta-jokes in that one. "They rejected "Hathor"? Oh but it was gold!"
No arguments from me. Season 1 of SGU is a hot mess of steaming garbage barely held together by a few fantastic actors, but Season 2 is fantastic and easily eclipses several of SG-1 and Atlantis's seasons. I'm still bitter about not having an official OST for that show.
No arguments from me. Season 1 of SGU is a hot mess of steaming garbage barely held together by a few fantastic actors, but Season 2 is fantastic and easily eclipses several of SG-1 and Atlantis's seasons. I'm still bitter about not having an official OST for that show.
The single best Groundhog Day episode ever.
I totally didn't spend the night rewatching SG-1... nope... sigh.
Skipped a 1/3rd of the first season though to be fair.
Forgot about this little bit from the Arc of Truth, many of Teal'c's thoughts and action had already been reasonably explained but we never really had his sense of guilt and reason for continuing to fight after the goauld expressed from him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia14Nx_6jQY
Skipped a 1/3rd of the first season though to be fair.
Forgot about this little bit from the Arc of Truth, many of Teal'c's thoughts and action had already been reasonably explained but we never really had his sense of guilt and reason for continuing to fight after the goauld expressed from him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia14Nx_6jQY
The Shadow
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I used to really like StarGate SG-1 but over time I really grew to hate Daniel Jackson. They made him way too smarmy and self-important (or I started to notice that).
I really started to hate him toward the end. :/
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The directors of the movie HATE the television series. You can hear them shit on the show on their commentary.
Well someone else making a success out of your failure must burn a bit.
DiscoJer
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Yeah, the TV show was really amazing, taking a fairly crappy movie with a laughable premise (i mean, seriously, the best they could do was Erik von Daniken aliens built the pyramids crap?) and turned it to a fairly plausible scenario. Still ancient aliens, but not so goofy
DiipuSurotu
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Huh, I don't see what's more laughable about the movie... Plus it had great designs and costumes. The Jaffas are especially impressive compared to the TV show's version.
Stargate SG-1 is one of my favourite TV shows. I didn't watch ti as it aired though so I probably missed a load of episodes.
Daniel is most certainly the best character, the seasons where he ascended or whatever were terrible when they replaced him.
Either way, I didn't really like Atlantis or Universe anywhere near as much as SG-1 and it was really sad when the actor who played General Hammond passed away.
Daniel is most certainly the best character, the seasons where he ascended or whatever were terrible when they replaced him.
Either way, I didn't really like Atlantis or Universe anywhere near as much as SG-1 and it was really sad when the actor who played General Hammond passed away.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I mean, ID4 was a sequel to Stargate before they rewrote it and moved it to Fox, so if they had their way, Stargate would have been a "big" movie franchise.
I just find it funny how how much Emmerich fucking hates the series. He talks about how they ruined all his characters. lol
Heck, it's why there are two Stargate novel lines - one based on the shows and one based on the movie.
Indeed.
This show was amazing.
I seeing some people here telling that season 2 of Universe is good. Have to check on that because the first episodes of season 1 were enough for me to say that that stuff wasn't for me.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Window of Opportunity and Citizen Joe are my two favorite.
Also, Emmerich doesn't deserve to use the Stargate IP. The ungrateful shit is a hack and a menace.
There is like only 2 decent episodes in season 1, but season 2 definitly got better and ended on a high note.
Thats all about having a movies budget and timeline versus a television show. The TV show excelled beyond the movie by fleshing out the lore, and expanding the potential of the gate itself. It was extremely short sighted to have the gate only go to ONE planet. The show came along and introduced the abydonian cartouche explaining that the gate was a network of gates the gould used which is just so much better than the movie. It added more gods than just Ra, and explained the whole 'dying race taking humans as vessels' (even though they changed the movies roswell gray appearance) and made it interesting. I mean, even the addition of the Iris to stop unwanted travel into earth was a really great writing bit.
The movie was great, I agree, but the show far surpassed it, and I think history will remember the Show when someone says Stargate much moreso than the movie. I think the creators know this and they are salty little bitches.
DiipuSurotu
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Well conversely that's due to having twentyish episodes per season versus only one movie. I'm sure the sequel and third movie would have expanded the mythos and the stargate concept since that's the title of the franchise.
Agreed. I was just reacting to you just saying the movie was a "fairly crappy movie" in your first post.
Miserable cunts the lot of them.
Thats fair. The show did have much more time to flesh out the details. I just think they did a magnificent job of it. The pilot introduces Tealc, tells more about the Jaffa and so much more in like an hour. Its one of my favorite shows.
Ahh sorry, I sort of jumped in mid conversation, that was someone else saying that. I liked the original movie too.
holy shit...
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