TLZ
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Holy shit that's a chunky boy.
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Bernd Lauert
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50% faster than Aya Neo is impressive. This thing will crush 30 fps gaming, and even 60 fps gaming will be possible with a ton of games.
Sorcerer
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Was it Linus who said he preferred the look of screen on the models without the anti glare glass?
LiquidMetal14
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Looks great.
Mines due 2q of 22.
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Rickyiez
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Yes , it's more contrasty compared to the anti-glare
I beg to differ mate . It's actually less elegant carrying 2 devices , like how would you play these while commuting , in comparison to the Deck which you actually could .I still can't help but feel a slim Ultrabook and a gamepad would he a more elegant solution than this is. The thing is huge. My new laptop is pretty portable compared to this and does everything and even is like a Wacom too
rnlval
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Aya Neo's APU only has 1.15 TFLOPS Vega 6. Higher-end Ryzen 7 4980U, 5700U, and 5800U have Vega iGPU around 2 TFLOPS.
Steam Deck wins for bang per buck mobile PC gaming i.e. similar to higher-end 2 TFLOPS Vega iGPU but with lower-end Ryzen 3 PRO 4450U class CPU.
existensmaximum
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Wow, for me that's a sure way to make me not click. I always avoid those kind of videos because they look so annoying, especially if they make.. you know, a face.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
agreed Gaming laptops are clunky af. They are 100% not portable because they die in 40 min when gaming on the batteries. And they are not even running at full power when "portable"
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Sean Mirrsen
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It's limited by TDP moreso than by power, and it's actually running at the top of its clock by design.
Laptops are much more heat-tolerant, with way bigger heatsinks and more potential for things to get hotter, so a laptop may push for higher clocks if necessary, and/or use the "turbo" clocks of its hardware for longer.
The Switch, in contrast, doesn't get that much of a thermal advantage, even if the dock may fractionally improve the airflow, but the Switch's SoC runs heavily downclocked - both when handheld and when docked, it doesn't actually push the chip to its design limits. The practical result is there is more of a "ceiling" for it to get to, allowing it to better make use of the marginal cooling improvement (and the fact that it doesn't have to concern itself with inconveniencing the hands holding it), using far less power than the chip's theoretical ceiling.
The Deck is heavily constrained by its heat budget, doesn't get any cooling advantage when 'docked', and already runs at the top of the chip's design clocks when handheld, pushing its "handheld" nature to the forefront, and its being a desktop replacement further back.
Since it's a PC I'd imagine you can still figure out a way to overclock it, but with so many components so close together I don't imagine overheating things is even remotely a good idea. Unless you make a special blower dock that forces air into the intake, I suppose.
catvonpee
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3 grand
Technically for someone like me who travels for work and has to carry a laptop anyway I'm only carrying an Xbox controller extra.
Compared to my old gaming laptop this new one is tiny. The old power brick weighs more than it.
I get where everyone is coming from and the outrage my comment has garnered... But it seemed like an excellent thing to bring up while I was drunk.
dolabla
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Yep, that wasn't much of a difference. And it looks "worse" too according to one of the previewers. Said the colors didn't seem to pop as much the regular glass ones. I originally pre-ordered the 256gb, but changed my mind and went for the 512gb. Now I've cancelled the 512gb and have gone back to the 256gb. Wish they would have made a regular glass one in the 512gb cause I'd like to have that extra storage, but I don't want to sacrifice the screen to get it.
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Epic Sax CEO
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I only watched the Linus video and I suspect Valdi limited the performance during these hand-ons, maybe to later surprise when it's reveled that actually performs better? Linuswas playing with the SoC configurated to use the 4 cores WITHOUT SMT. So just four threads, and Zen 2 needs those extra threads to perform because it's much much weaker compared to Zen 3 and Tigerlake.
Also, just 1GB VRAM, wuot?
Also, just 1GB VRAM, wuot?
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
I'm not outraged at all, I understand where you're coming from. I was just wondering if it's a viable alternative for someone like me who just wanted a budget PC that is guaranteed to be able to play a decent number of titles. I think at that price, I'll stick with the deck.
I think Stick Deck is crazy value for a nice budget gaming PC. There is a reason Valve revealed this on IGN over something like PC Gamer. They want the mass market. Not just people who are PC Gamers but the console crowd, the handheld gamer crowd from Nintendo and etc. That's why they even have the 64GB version.
And I think it's working, well it's worked for me. As a PS5 owner I don't really want to invest in a expensive gaming PC (maybe sometime in the future). I used to have a gaming PC way back I think around 2012 and have a few Steam Games from sales from back then. I kind of moves away from PC gaming with PS4. I also own a Switch but I'm kind of sick of the expensive Nintnedo game prices as well as the lower performance and no free online (I know it's cheap but don't want to pay for 2 online services I already pay for PSN). The Steam Deck is a nice cheap way to get reintroduced to PC gaming. I can check out some nice cool PC exclusives like strategy games on my monitor with keyboard and mouse. I can play all my Steam Backlog I had before and play games I missed out from the PS3 generation especially because PS5 only had backwards compatibility with PS4. I have PS4 generation games I can play portably. It will make a great emulation device. This could even be a introduction to PC gaming for people that can lead them to build a full fat gamg PC.
Romulus
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The other thing people aren't discussing. The Deck is impressing people without optimization. Doom 2016 for example. Switch needs years of custom development from devs to squeeze every once out of it just to run at bare bones acceptable levels, the Deck is running it with no optimization, and far more impressively. If these games ever get full optimization, it'll be huge.
Mr Branding
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Why even compare a home console to a handheld??for the first one, these exist:
for the second one, that is true... for like a year or two, and then you're back to 30fps low resolution.
have you seen Linus' video? he had Doom Eternal at 720p Medium (dynamic res off) and it couldn't hold 60FPS whatsoever
basically, this already gets beaten by an Xbox One S... how do you think this will fare in 2 years?
Meesh
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Here's an admission on my part, I've got a nostalgia bug, a huge one. Just part of being an older gamer. That's why I mostly buy Nintendo consoles and partly why I bought the Switch, but the Deck outshines anything Nintendo could ever comfortably put out. Ever. I gotta be real here, with the right marketing, if more gamers understood the flexibility of the Deck they would switch from the Switch. Lol I cannot stress enough how exciting the gaming landscape is becoming right now. Good times.
Kupfer
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Same.
I had to weigh hard whether the surcharge for the "better" display was worth it for me and came to the conclusion that it is too expensive for me, since the storage capacity was not the decisive point.
my phone is glossy
my oled tv is glossy
my vita is glossy
my tablet is glossy
and i've never had any problems with it. So why with the Deck?
After seeing the gif, I'm even happier to have ordered the 256 gb version, even though I was secretly annoyed at first not to buy the "best" one.
I didn't even know about the screen difference when I first ordered a Deck. I just went with 512GB due to the extra storage. £110 for an extra 256GB storage and for me that's well worth it to be able to add a ton of games on the Deck. Also apparently the storage of 512GB is slightly faster than 256GB. In basically going to have my entire NES to Wii U catalog in this. I love arcade games and MAME will take a ton of space. I also would like the option to dual boot into Windows.
Kupfer
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As I wrote, the larger internal memory is not a selling point for me, since like you, I want to play a lot of old games on the Deck that don't require fast internal memory. The handful of "big" games I want to play fit nicely on the 256gb internal memory.
And as we now know, the games (control, doom) that IGN played on the Deck didn't even run from internal memory but from a micro-sd card that you can add to any of the 3 deck variants.
So if even relatively modern AAA games can be played from a micro-sd card, I won't waste the internal memory with roms and pc games from the 80's, 90's and 00's and rather use a 400gb sd card.
Yeah 256GB is definitely decent enough. I just thought an extra £110 isn't a significant amount for something I'd use quite a lot and hold more games without the hassle of moving things around. I had a 500GB PS4 and remember how quickly I ran out of space. I have a 200GB SD card spare so may use that like you are for emulation so I can free up more space of the internal SSD. For me personally I want a bunch of pick up and play games on my Deck I don't need to keep deleting so things like Halo Infinite, Street Fighter V, Mortal Kombat 11, GTA5, Tony Hawks and etc id like available to play without the need to redownload. Something like MK11 is already pushing 60GB storage always fills up quick for me and an extra £110 to avoid that hassle is well worth it.
hououinkyouma00
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Good god… a video with Rorie AND Jan? No thanks. Rorie is insufferable enough as it is.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
Seems to be a fantastic product.
Only thing I don't like is the design, it's too bulky. Gives me awful Wii U and GameGear vibes,
Also, I wish you could detach the controller. Not that it's a game breaker, but I like the versatility of the Switch. I'm not gonna buy one, but I bet a lot of people will have tons of fun with this device.
Only thing I don't like is the design, it's too bulky. Gives me awful Wii U and GameGear vibes,
Also, I wish you could detach the controller. Not that it's a game breaker, but I like the versatility of the Switch. I'm not gonna buy one, but I bet a lot of people will have tons of fun with this device.
FearlessBelgian
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Is Steam deck have Wifi 6 ?
BlvckFox
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I had your mindset but was too optimistic. Everything is glossy, sick of it. I thought this anti glare would be god tier for some reason. I used the anti glare and the additional storage to justify preordering the "best one". One of my justifications definitely just flew out the fuckin window but Whatever. I'm still hype.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
No Wifi 5
rnlval
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For APU, VRAM amount refers continuous memory address range from system memory being reserve for iGPU's use. Windows/Linux also allocates shared memory address range.
My Vega 7 iGPU (1.45 TFLOPS, 15 watts) from Ryzen 7 Pro 4750 U company issued Lenovo L14 inch ultrabook has 2 GB VRAM reserve configured from system memory. BIOS gives the user the option for auto, 1 GB and 2 GB. Other Ryzen APU ultrabook like HP Envy 360 doesn't offer the user a configurable reserve VRAM setting.
Ryzen Adj tool on Windows platform can override BIOS's vendor's TDP limit.
rnlval
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Incoming Rembrandt APU is built on 6nm process node instead of Deck's Van Gogh APU's 7nm process node.
There's a leak information AMD is back porting Zen 3 and RDNA 2 on GoFo's 12nm+. LOL, AMD's pulling an Intel 14nm++++ to get higher production run.
FearlessBelgian
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It is enough for cloud gaming ? I want to use my Steam deck to play some games on Xcloud
MagnesG
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To make a difference the ecosystem needs to be sustainable with growth potential first though. Even at $400, they are already selling it at a loss with preorders only available for Steam users not on the store shelves. They also take 2-3 years now to even fill up their currently a couple of millions of preorders.
How is that gonna make a difference other than the definition of niche compared to others? There's a reason the Switch is an underpowered $300 console with ancient tech and managed to sell at 23-25 million a year on average.
Meesh
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There is going to come a time when consumers start weighing the value when educated. That's what I feel... sure Nintendo manages to do what they do because of their software staples, but what happens when more are aware that those same games can be made available on competitors hardware with more features with a little work? Just a thought. Niche? Sure. But we're much more connected now than ever and the Deck doesn't have to be niche, it's all perspective and brand awareness/ marketing.
The only reason, and this comes from a Nintendo fan, that Nintendo has a foothold is because of their "gimmick" that is tied to their software... but that same gimmick is now made better, much better on the Deck. And those games can now be played on better hardware.
It's a matter of time I think. So really Nintendo has to release what they've been cooking behind the scenes because I'm sure they figured on a competitor releasing similar hardware, and again come up with more compelling offer?
The line of software being tied to hardware from Nintendo is blurring thanks to Valves Deck, and that's a thing Nintendo has absolutely counted on in the past. Not so much really now. We've got all the emulators, plus the portability and the vast Steam library...
Hype and marketing will sell this thing, enthusiast gamers will take care of the rest.
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MagnesG
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Are you implying that Valve could release streams of stellar new softwares like Nintendo, particularly on the Steam Deck?
Ultradsa
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So after watching every single preview I can't find any information regarding the testing of suspend/resume. It's my understanding that this is the only device for PC games that can do it because of the custom OS? If anyone has any info regarding suspend/resume please do share. I also really thought that there would be more of a focus on playing around with those track pads since they are a unique feature.
Dr.brain64
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I wonder if the dock will give it more power (aka 1080p).
Ogbert
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Pretty much where I'm at.
If I can grind out Nightfalls, Strikes and my dailies on this handheld then I'm set for the next few years.
Sean Mirrsen
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No. It'll be able to render any resolution you set it, but you'll have to opt for sacrifices elsewhere, either framerates, fidelity, or using upscaling. It uses the same max 15W of power whether it's handheld or docked, it's not like the Switch where the chip is massively downclocked from design spec even in docked mode.
Seems like it won't and you can run games at any resolution. It probably is PS3/360 gen games in 1080p or more. And of course indie games. I'm sure the commity will find a way to make it run at higher clocks but I'm not going to mess around with that stuff.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Well with the dock you can output at 8K if you wanted to.