derExperte
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Gets easier fast when you level up a little and play with a reasonably competent team that avoids the dumb stuff beginners usually do.
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STEAM | July 2015 - Nothing To Buy With Our Arkham Knight Refunds
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Gets easier fast when you level up a little and play with a reasonably competent team that avoids the dumb stuff beginners usually do.
It's steam games, no debate.
Can't understand why visual novels would be a different way then everything else!
Se7enSword
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Maybe we can now get a few KF2 games going in here. Let's cancel Chivalry and do this instead.
Sure, join the chat if you want to set up a time to play!
I need to download it first though!
Besides, there are a number of VNs that are gameplay focused. Like for example SRPGs where you have VN sequences, sometimes quite lengthy, between battles.
Nyteshade517
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didn't win a key for KF2...I expected as much...lol
Se7enSword
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thesaucetastic
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If we say they're not, we exclude games like Papers, Please, Stanley Parable, Gone Home, The Walking Dead, etc. where the choices for narrative are (generally) the gameplay.
Also something to consider, crpgs' dialogue choices are considered gameplay, why shouldn't this?
If we don't curb the off-topic posting, we risk being closed like HaloGAF. Posts about the community itself shouldn't be considered off-topic (e.g. what about STEAM GotY, which is generally done in within the thread)?
Posts about specific members (e.g. birthdays, personal beefs) should go to PMs.
Chairmanchuck
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Btw. arent posts complaining about OT post also OT Posts?
Or for example Mass Effect, where the main draw is the story and the decisions but they split it up with lots and lots of tedious shooting to make you think it isn't a VN.
There are two types of VN: those that are perfectly linear and offer no choices, and those that allow choices. There can be a debate as to whether the former are games. I mean, yeah they're on Steam, but so are movies.
I'm in favor of curbing off-topic posting, but the problem is that there's way too much posting about curbing off-topic posting. Like, if an off-topic post is a disease, and a post telling people to stay on-topic is a white blood cell, there's a word for having too many/too active white blood cells and it's basically also a disease.
So, yeah we need to curb the off-topic posting, but we also need to curb the curbing of the off-topic posting. You know, before this thread gets moved to Community.
Nyteshade517
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Maybe you shouldn't alert everyone next time and reduce the competition?
lol...true
but other GAF people won so that's ok
not really at risk, can't remember the last time a mod had to show up to stop ppl messing around too much
It's totally different because the waifus are 3D and have blue skin.
AHA-Lambda
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Damn, no KF2 for me :/
ramoisdead
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I hate bank heists. Maybe that's why I haven't played Payday 2 yet.
Yes, that's why we should decide for some posting rules or guidelines when it comes to the subject talked about in the posts.
Because right now there is just too much complaining about other peoples posts, some of them completly shitty reasons (looking at you guys
...)We're far away from becoming halogaf, we actually have on-topic stuff, we actually have MOSTLY on-topic stuff.
Except that ME is generally not considered a VN. I agree that there are many CRPGs that share certain characteristics to VNs. VNDB doesn't consider it one, and if you added it, it would be removed and you'd probably be laughed at for doing it. I know someone tried to add the Witcher series and it was removed.
I like the shooting in ME tho
ME3 multi-player was actually mechanically really good. I wished they would release it F2P so we could get a bigger community on there.
thesaucetastic
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I don't think so, because it's about the community itself.
Even so, the off-topic posts have also alienated a lot of previous members. I think if it's about PC anime games, they ought to suck it up, and skip over it like I do with FPS posts.
Treating the thread as a chat needed to stop though, and it recently has, thankfully. Even JaseC was having trouble keeping up with the thread before. We just need to make sure this continues.
corrosivefrost
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Trolling? No. Not exactly. :lol
I thought it was pretty obvious he was... aping? Grief.
In other news, I have now ascended 3 times in Clicker Heroes and grabbed a couple ancients, one of which gives me more DPS if I idle, so farming is even more chill.
Why are new games still being developed, when the definitive experience is already here? Something to ponder.
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Ori changed my life.
corrosivefrost
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Ori healed my body and made me whole again.
Dsyndrome
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Ascended 10 times, now I'm at 205 and I don't want to go back down. It's a slog to the Dead knight, that's for sure.
Yeah the jump in gold required to grab him is pretty big. I grabbed him only on my first ascension.
That's because genres are still considered absolutes, really. The Walking Dead isn't considered a VN, either, because you click on things and clicking means point & click adventure game.Except that ME is generally not considered a VN. I agree that there are many CRPGs that share certain characteristics to VNs. VNDB doesn't consider it one, and if you added it, it would be removed and you'd probably be laughed at for doing it. I know someone tried to add the Witcher series and it was removed.
I like the shooting in ME tho
ME3 multi-player was actually mechanically really good. I wished they would release it F2P so we could get a bigger community on there.
I like the shooting in ME, too. I just wish there wasn't so much of it.
I'd argue that the "you guys are ruining this thread; it was so much better before [insert group that likes thing I don't] showed up" talk is much more alienating than someone occasionally talking about a movie that they saw or that they had a bad day at work. Not saying that's what you are doing here, but we've gone through that dance a number of times in the last year, and it's always more thread derailing than any of the off topic discussion it hopes to cub.
As for being able to keep up with the thread, that has very little to do with off topic discussion, and everything to do with sheer volume of posts. It's okay to not read every single post in the thread if you don't have the time (I know I certainly don't). If anything, off topic posts are easy to skip over when trying to catch up on the thread. This thread has slowed down considerably from where it was a year ago (in part due to the move to community), and aside from months where Steam Sales occur, we generally only go through one thread a month nowadays.
Not when the same post contains off topic stuff in it as well.
Edit: That's what you get when you use abbreviations that work both ways and a tired Soul...
Yes, yes they are and disregard what I said above.
Spring-Loaded
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... wait
wut
I dunno, could you imagine what NeoGAF would be like if people posted in threads without reading what others said before them?
i feel like arguing what counts as a game and what doesn't is pretty pointless
there's nothing to be really gained by associating or not associating the word "game" with visual novels. it won't make them appeal better to ppl that don't like that sort of game and it won't really legitimize them either. and visual novels aren't any less cool because they're not part of the "game" circuit or whatever. like, a lot of shit things are games, like all those shit games that are on steam that are like totally shit and have shitty gameplay.
being a game isn't good in itself
there's no point to constantly remind people of not going offtopic
if you quickly check out the posts above yours, they were mostly talking about on topic stuff, new games coming to steam, enhancedsteam, killfloor crap and chilvalry parties and shit. it's not 100% ontopic, but steam thread was never 100% ontopic.
thing is, here comes your post and waddya know the thread is now not fun or talking about fun stuff and instead it's talking about how valid your post is or isn't. so your post about "keep it on topic you guys" has hurt the thread instead of helping it despite your bestest of intentions
try to think about that next time
also you shouldn't use "false threats" (or whatever) as a way of making your point. the risk of steamgaf turning into halogaf isn't real because (afaik from what ppl told me) halogaf was pretty messed up in comparison
so yeah, like i always say, want to pull ppl back into interesting, meaningful conversation about steam? you just need to join in and lead the way! there were many cool topics to talk about before your post, like them killfloor stuffs and the way of the samurai thing and whatnot
there's nothing to be really gained by associating or not associating the word "game" with visual novels. it won't make them appeal better to ppl that don't like that sort of game and it won't really legitimize them either. and visual novels aren't any less cool because they're not part of the "game" circuit or whatever. like, a lot of shit things are games, like all those shit games that are on steam that are like totally shit and have shitty gameplay.
being a game isn't good in itself
the problem isn't so much that it's offtopic, but that it warps the thread because someone's gonna get pissed off and start a fight over it
there's no point to constantly remind people of not going offtopic
if you quickly check out the posts above yours, they were mostly talking about on topic stuff, new games coming to steam, enhancedsteam, killfloor crap and chilvalry parties and shit. it's not 100% ontopic, but steam thread was never 100% ontopic.
thing is, here comes your post and waddya know the thread is now not fun or talking about fun stuff and instead it's talking about how valid your post is or isn't. so your post about "keep it on topic you guys" has hurt the thread instead of helping it despite your bestest of intentions
try to think about that next time
it's true that it sucks if ppl feel like they don't belong to the thread anymore, but the incessant reminder of "thou must not off topic" has the exact same effect as ppl talking about anime or alpacas or whatever
also you shouldn't use "false threats" (or whatever) as a way of making your point. the risk of steamgaf turning into halogaf isn't real because (afaik from what ppl told me) halogaf was pretty messed up in comparison
so yeah, like i always say, want to pull ppl back into interesting, meaningful conversation about steam? you just need to join in and lead the way! there were many cool topics to talk about before your post, like them killfloor stuffs and the way of the samurai thing and whatnot
Did I misinterpreted something?
My brain's shutting down at this hour but i think i got what he meant o.o
NightmareTrigger
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Ori jumped me in an alley and left me for dead
Dsyndrome
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Did you mean on topic? Like, talk about steam related stuff when in the same off topic post?
Last Baron
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Was Gat out of Hell removed from the store? I see no option to buy it, just the DLC.
Terrible idea. I needs ma dramaHow about we keep the meta commentary about other people's posts out of the thread and if people really think someone's comments don't belong then they PM a mod about itand then everyone can enjoy the thread more?narc
Here's the definition VNDB uses:
sourceVNDB said:
In their guidelines for adding VNs they say this:
VNDB said:
source
I realize VNDB isn't necessarily the absolute authority on what qualifies as a VN, but I still think these are generally good definitions. So it seems for them, narrative is an important part of what defines a VN.
And with regards to point and click there are actually quite a few VNs with point and click as you can see here.
This part is the thing which I agree with the most, the thread will never be 100 on-topic but pointing out the off-topic things mostly leads to people going from posting on-topic to go talking about stuff being or not being off-topic.
It just completly disrupts the thread and it ends up the same way it was before after a few pages with probably even more passive-agressive people with pent up anger for some reason.
You're right, I can't find the buy button on it's page.
bobnowhere
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Same with New Vegas and Divinity OS, I imagine someone broke something.
NOW YOU'VE DONE IT!
How about we keep the meta commentary about other people's posts out of the thread and if people really think someone's comments don't belong then they PM a mod about itand then everyone can enjoy the thread more?narc
I knew this shit would catch on once I planted the seed. For those just wondering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8-vje-bq9c. You're welcome.
Guys... I'm dying for some Disgaea on Steam. Why the hell is NIS so oblivious to the fact that they could probably sell 3 times more copies on this platform than they did in Japan. Hell most semi obscure JRPGs have been outselling the console guys.
thesaucetastic
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Yeah, I guess the linear VN is pretty debatable. Even in jrpgs, where the narrative is often linear, the story is treated as "separate" from the mechanical gameplay. I'd actually consider the story cutscenes as incentive to progress the game, but that's just me.
But I do think you have a point with off-topic post complaining. I feel like some people are passive aggressively venting their frustration/dislike of anime, even if it's regarding an anime game on STEAM itself. Usually I'd think that if a person with authority laid down the guidelines (e.g., mods or the OT creator,) there wouldn't be a need to self-police as much, but Mr. Orange's good post bad post thing was pretty much summarily ignored. I'm not sure what a possible solution to this problem would be, but that's why the community hashes things out like this.
I think you're right about the volume of posts being the problem, but I feel like it makes the off-topicness more noticeable than before. Before, it was alright when people were posting about a random movie they liked, because it was only a few posts out of the 2-3 pages you'd get in a day. But right before the move to community, you'd have like 10 people doing this and responding to each other, so it'd just get bothersome. But I'd guess the overall post volume correlates with the broadening scope of STEAM itself, whether in games or in members using the service, so I can't really fault people for posting in general.
I don't read every page anymore, but it just sucks when news is buried and I don't see it, because GAF is my primary gaming news outlet. It's a shame that the news thread died an undignified death. In this regard, it'd be nice if there was a content scraper or something that just collated the news links and posted the approved ones to a thread/twitter or something. Probably would be a pain in the ass to get running, though.
More or less, I was just continuing the conversation about off-topic posts (i.e. the responses to corrosivefrost's post, which was quoted in a few posts ahead of mine, although I'm not sure if he was just being facetious in the first place.) The conversation was already there, so it's kind of disingenuous to pin this all on me, but okay. And it's not like conversation has to be about fun stuff all the time anyway? Otherwise, why would we talk about, for example, the harassment devs are facing from TotalBiscuit's 30fps police curator thing.
But anyway, several people have pointed out that I'm derailng with this, so I'll stop it with this post.
Uh, that wasn't intended as a threat in the least? I have zero interaction with HaloGAF, so everything I've heard about their situation has come from this thread. If I'm misinformed, I'm sorry? Not sure what else to say.
Because NIS is a Japanese game developer and Japanese game developers tend to be very stubborn.
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