Steambox may cost above 750 $ (Source: random twitter guess)

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The other thing is the heat and how long it'll last cause without some kind of advance special tech or magic, this little thing which is even smaller than most mini PCs is going to run hot. So will it be able to remain cool enough for intense gaming like a desktop with similar spec and a bigger cooler. And if not will this cause the lifespan of the steam box to be vastly shorter.
 
The other thing is the heat and how long it'll last cause without some kind of advance special tech or magic, this little thing which is even smaller than most mini PCs is going to run hot. So will it be able to remain cool enough for intense gaming like a desktop with similar spec and a bigger cooler. And if not will this cause the lifespan of the steam box to be vastly shorter.
They claim they put a lot on work into the machine to keep it cool and quiet. We'll see how that fairs over time I guess.

My deck is generally pretty good with heat, even when playing more demanding games.
 
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The Phawx video showed the game getting 40-50 fps at 4k ultra performance on his mockup Steam Machine. That's pretty close to what PS5 was able to do with the game.

What's the equivalent GPU and Processor for the Steam Machine so I can search it up on youtube with a few games.

There isn't a one to one I don't think, but this video shows how he was able to mimic SM

 
I literally watched a bunch of videos and its clearly running at 1080p/60fps on ultra


Space Marine 2 starts at 15:00


I look forward to actual benchmarks when the Steam Machine drops.

The Phawx video showed the game getting 40-50 fps at 4k ultra performance on his mockup Steam Machine. That's pretty close to what PS5 was able to do with the game.



There isn't a one to one I don't think, but this video shows how he was able to mimic SM


That's the video I was talking about. The inconsistent framerate is a dealbreaker for me.
 
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I am not the target audience for this because I have a powerful PC. But for people who have worse specs than this (and according to the Steam survey, there are a lot), if Valve can make that "upgrade" more affordable than you'd have to pay elsewhere, it might be a boon. I think this is their attempt at presenting a hardware baseline that devs can target.

It's a good target too, IF (big IF) they price it right. $599 and they'll be good.
 
Okay the posts from you guys gave me some interest on the Steam Box and will wait till the actual thing comes to see more tests. And if they could truly keep this little cube quiet and cool for years than that would be great. And waiting to see the true price too of course.
 
Okay the posts from you guys gave me some interest on the Steam Box and will wait till the actual thing comes to see more tests. And if they could truly keep this little cube quiet and cool for years than that would be great. And waiting to see the true price too of course.
Definitely going to be best to wait depending on the types of games you play. The Steam Machine isn't a handheld so people will be much more critical of the limitations, especially if the price isn't right.
 
Space Marine 2 starts at 15:00


I look forward to actual benchmarks when the Steam Machine drops.


That's the video I was talking about. The inconsistent framerate is a dealbreaker for me.

Guy literally just tested at 4k res with everything on low to try achieving 60fps at 4k, even the ps5 cant do that. On the benchmark i posted (which actually uses a worse cpu) its perfectly possible to achieve a ps5 performance mode equivalent (or quality mode)
 
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Guy literally just tested at 4k res with everything on low to try achieving 60fps at 4k, even the ps5 cant do that. On the benchmark i posted (which actually uses a worse cpu) its perfectly possible to achieve a ps5 performance mode equivalent (or quality mode)
He's doing that because Valve said 4K60 with upscaling in their marketing.
 
He's doing that because Valve said 4K60 with upscaling in their marketing.
Yeah, and it can definitely run games at 4k60fps with upscaling. But much like with ps5s and xboxs marketing we know full well not every game will manage to get at those without compromises, or at all in cases of very poorly optmized games.
 
Most ridiculous takes are the ones who somehow think this cannot handle modern AAA. Like dude, i run modern releases on laptops with older 6gb gpu models with a weaker cpu. On good settings and performance too
Yup! I guess a lot of people don't realize the broad spectrum of system setups that can easily play modern AAA games decently to very well. They themselves said the Steam Machine offers performance comparable to or better than 70% of gaming PCs on Steam. I doubt it's going to be a hooptie, lol.
 
Those who look for a console experience on PC won't likely get it since it's more expensive than a console. And those looking to use it as PC already got a more powerful one, or can build a better one for just a few hundreds more.

I have a beefy pc but would consider this under my tv.
I can play all my steam games on both machines.
I can run emulation, mods etc, everything I also can on my pc.

I see no reason to get a console over this.
 
It's a good target too, IF (big IF) they price it right. $599 and they'll be good.
Even if tech inflation raise the price more, I would still trust the fact that it is the best I could buy for the money. Because whatever raise the price for the Gabecube would also raise the price for every other option.
 
If this was supposed to be priced like a PC, why not replace the weak and pathetic 8 GB 7600M with a 16 GB 9060, something that can at least be relevant for 5 years. They could jack up the price by another 100$ and it would hardly make a difference to the target customer.

On another note, I have no idea who the target customer would be, normies will pick up 280 £ PS5 + FC bundles and most PC gamers will be better served with paying slightly more for much more future proof hardware. This is a memory and bandwidth starved GPU that will choke on most new releases. For it to sell more than a million units, it needs to be priced at 400$. Anything more and it will be an abject failure by anyone but the most rabid steam fanboy's standards.

I would love to see LTT and other such PC fanboy channels continue their trend of console beating builds at the same price. With this anemic overpriced machine, they can actually win without the usual disingenuous dumpster diving needed to build PS5/PS5 pro equivalent PCs.

This is not a desktop 7600 chip, it is a cut down, downclocked, bandwidth starved version. Anybody expecting similar performance from the steam machine is living in la la land.
 
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Rx 7600 for the gpu and a ryzen 5 7500 series for cpu. Almost every benchmark you find will have a weaker cpu so the steam machine will likely perform even better than what you find
It uses a cut down rx7600 and a 30 watts CPU. Likely mobile parts.

Where are you getting that it will perform better than benchmarks with these parts ?
 
So 700 minimum for something that has 512GB of space and 8GB of VRAM.

Love the idea but...

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It's the Past Life with those specs.
If this was supposed to be priced like a PC, why not replace the weak and pathetic 8 GB 7600M with a 16 GB 9060, something that can at least be relevant for 5 years. They could jack up the price by another 100$ and it would hardly make a difference to the target customer.

On another note, I have no idea who the target customer would be, normies will pick up 280 £ PS5 + FC bundles and most PC gamers will be better served with paying slightly more for much more future proof hardware. This is a memory and bandwidth starved GPU that will choke on most new releases. For it to sell more than a million units, it needs to be priced at 400$. Anything more and it will be an abject failure by anyone but the most rabid steam fanboy's standards.

I would love to see LTT and other such PC fanboy channels continue their trend of console beating builds at the same price. With this anemic overpriced machine, they can actually win without the usual disingenuous dumpster diving needed to build PS5/PS5 pro equivalent PCs.

This is not a desktop 7600 chip, it is a cut down, downclocked, bandwidth starved version. Anybody expecting similar performance from the steam machine is living in la la land.
Agreed although I think even at 500 it's going to sell a great amount.

But like you said they should have just replaced the gpu with a better one that's 16gb so people would at least know it'll be ready for all games within the next 5 years too. They could charge a hundred bucks more and would still sell like hot cake.

The Steam Machine targeting the audience with a weaker pc than it aka over 70% also isn't going to go anywhere as well as they think. Cause I'm among that target audience since my current pc is among the over 70% that's weaker but there's a much higher chance for me just paying more for a better future proof pc than paying less for a steam machine with 8 pathetic GBs. And I imagine a lot of the over 70% crowd aka target audience also sharing this view or at least debating over this. If it was over 8gb than it would have been very easy to attract most among the target audience.

Not to mention other cons like can't even play non Steam games like Blizzard games unless you install a different OS etc.
 
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So not only are they going to charge a lot more than the base PS5 (which is more powerful) but they going to charge potentially more than a gaming laptop which is also more powerful. That's crazy... They're not Nintendo, they don't have a cult following that allows for ridiculous pricing. This thing is DOA at anything over $599.
 
So not only are they going to charge a lot more than the base PS5 (which is more powerful) but they going to charge potentially more than a gaming laptop which is also more powerful. That's crazy... They're not Nintendo, they don't have a cult following that allows for ridiculous pricing. This thing is DOA at anything over $599.
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Afaik we havent got the price or specs yet from any official source, unless I'm wrong
 
The biggest issue the steam machine is going to face is the RAM shortages. The prices of RAM from this month to last is insane and it's only going to get worse.
 
It uses a cut down rx7600 and a 30 watts CPU. Likely mobile parts.

Where are you getting that it will perform better than benchmarks with these parts ?
From the fact benchmarks with this gpu are almost always paired with a weaker and older cpu than what the steam machine has, as i clearly stated.
 
From the fact benchmarks with this gpu are almost always paired with a weaker and older cpu than what the steam machine has, as i clearly stated.
The RX7600 is a 32 CU GPU with a max clock of 2655 MHz delivering 10.875 TFlops of GPU performance (single issue FP32). The steam machine unit has 28 CUs and it has a max clock of 2.45 GHz, delivering 8.78 TFlops of single issue FP32 performance. The RX7600 is 20% more performant than the Steam Machine GPU, so it is quite naive to expect better performance from the Steam Machine.
 
The RX7600 is a 32 CU GPU with a max clock of 2655 MHz delivering 10.875 TFlops of GPU performance (single issue FP32). The steam machine unit has 28 CUs and it has a max clock of 2.45 GHz, delivering 8.78 TFlops of single issue FP32 performance. The RX7600 is 20% more performant than the Steam Machine GPU, so it is quite naive to expect better performance from the Steam Machine.
Technically the steam machine would sit somewhere in-between the rx 7600 and a rx 7600 mobile version. The performance difference between a desktop gpu and its laptop counterpart tend to be small when speaking of mid-low range gpus, usually being more pronounced in high end models. That, paired with the fact a lot of benchmarks will use weaker cpus, i think its a safe point of reference.

But if you must, here is a rx 7600s (below the rx 7600m) laptop with a similarly powered albeit slightly worse cpu. Should be a close comparison

 
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That price doesn't appeal to either would be pc players, console players or current pc players. Too high cost for low specs (pc players)
Too high cost compared to ps5 pro (console and would be pc players).
 
Windows "full screen experience" on my current gaming PC plugged into the TV is probably a better answer than this machine at 750USD. I can replace that machine with a cheaper Mac mini for productivity and call it a day.
 
It's not the desktop RX 7600, it's the mobile variant 7600M used for laptops.
Technically above it, so somewhere in-between the two. I cant find any 7600m benchmarks, only 7600s which is actually worse, but even with it results dont appear much different from the desktop counterpart. In some cases it even seems to run better on different benchmarks so the differences should be minimal enough that other elements like cpu or pc configurations affect the performance more significantly.
 
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I can buy a laptop with a 4060 in it for just over $700 today. Strip away the screen, battery, keyboard, Windows license, etc... from that laptop and $500 seems reasonable.

I don't care what pundits are saying or what Valve may be thinking; if the Steam Box isn't $500 or less, it's going to be a terrible deal.
This is true but if you put that 4060 into a mini pc instead of laptop the price shoots up to 1,300-1,500 why is that


That's a 4070 one but the 4060 one was like 1,500
 
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The Phawx video showed the game getting 40-50 fps at 4k ultra performance on his mockup Steam Machine. That's pretty close to what PS5 was able to do with the game.



There isn't a one to one I don't think, but this video shows how he was able to mimic SM


I watched the video, and honestly it's pretty rough, especially considering he was using a slightly better GPU for the test. This thing is definitely not a 4K60 machine for modern games. Even if it occasionally reaches that, paying around $750 for a box that delivers 40–60 FPS on low settings with FSR set to Ultra Performance is just terrible.

I love Valve, and I get that the economy around pc parts is a mess right now, but it really feels like they dropped the ball with this one. I know they're not aiming to sell 50 million units, but damn, this is flat-out disappointing, and at the price they're aiming for, it's basically DOA.

If Valve really wanted to price this thing around $750 or above, they should've beefed up the hardware and accepted losing money on each unit. The goal should've been medium settings 4K60 with FSR4, not whatever this is.
 
I watched the video, and honestly it's pretty rough, especially considering he was using a slightly better GPU for the test. This thing is definitely not a 4K60 machine for modern games. Even if it occasionally reaches that, paying around $750 for a box that delivers 40–60 FPS on low settings with FSR set to Ultra Performance is just terrible.

I love Valve, and I get that the economy around pc parts is a mess right now, but it really feels like they dropped the ball with this one. I know they're not aiming to sell 50 million units, but damn, this is flat-out disappointing, and at the price they're aiming for, it's basically DOA.

If Valve really wanted to price this thing around $750 or above, they should've beefed up the hardware and accepted losing money on each unit. The goal should've been medium settings 4K60 with FSR4, not whatever this is.

Agree. At $750, I don't get the point. It won't sell near what they want it to and, as I said earlier, they will have to drop the price anyway to clear out stock. At $750, it feels like a cash grab and they will have lost sight of what made Steam Deck so popular.
 
This is true but if you put that 4060 into a mini pc instead of laptop the price shoots up to 1,300-1,500 why is that


That's a 4070 one but the 4060 one was like 1,500
Mini pcs often come with much more ram and much stronger CPUs than laptops.
I found this one with a rtx 4060


Also, i cannot find rtx 4060 laptops for 700. Baseline seems to be 800 to 900. Cheapest one i found was 780 and it had a bunch of compromises like using ddr4 instead of ddr5
 
I dont understand why this thread is not closed. It only creates misinformation and some people are taking this information as truth.

I think it is fine as a price speculation thread. Folks just believe what is said on YouTube too easily, as always.
 
I dont understand why this thread is not closed. It only creates misinformation and some people are taking this information as truth.

The mods edited the title to make it clear it's just a random guess. If people are still taking it seriously, well, that's on them.
 
Mini pcs often come with much more ram and much stronger CPUs than laptops.
I found this one with a rtx 4060


Also, i cannot find rtx 4060 laptops for 700. Baseline seems to be 800 to 900. Cheapest one i found was 780 and it had a bunch of compromises like using ddr4 instead of ddr5
I saw a 4060 laptop on sale at Best Buy for 650 that was the sale price though original price is 800
 
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