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Steve Bannon replaces Joint Chiefs of Staff and DNI in the National Security Council

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Tovarisc

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Again, they're not members. They never were. They are statutory advisors.

Here's Obama's: https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/ppd/ppd-1.pdf.

Yes, the "shall attend where issues pertaining to their responsibilities expertise are to be discussed," meaning the CJCS and DNI, differs from Obama's -- but to be honest, if it's a NSC meeting, I can't imagine a scenario where military and intelligence matters aren't discussed.

And if Trump wanted to hold a more limited meeting, he could've done that anyway.

I think peoples larger concern is in how Bannon can steer things by attending meetings.
 

Iksenpets

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Yes who needs the input of the fucking Joint Chiefs when you have the wisdom of Bannon available to you? Jesus fucking Christ
 

Ms.Galaxy

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The only way to defeat Steve Bannon is with the dankest of memes. #CalamityBannon needs to become a thing.

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#CalamityBannon
 

F0rneus

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Trump wants to be a strong leader that is respected, but his adminstration is being run by people far stronger. on every level than him. What a weak, weak noodle he is. Pathetic. He isn't running anything. He's not capable enough, to run the White House.

And fuck Bannon. Nazi scumbag. Dark times ahead.
 
He invented the alt-right. That is his thing.

That's Richard Spencer, the guy that got punched. Steve Bannon was the Executive Chair of Brietbart News, an extreme right online publication that is well beloved by alt-right types. He was also a major advisor to Trump for his presidential run after supporting him wholeheartedly with his news site. And now he's in Trumps presidential inner circle.

He does deserve to get punched.
 

120v

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what's even the logic with him being in the NSC

this is either fiendishly brilliant or astoundingly stupid
 

Tovarisc

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They also removed Secretary of Energy from list of invited people. I wonder what this means considering SoE basically handles nukes.
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https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/825513265400860673

Trump's National Security Memorandum (Jan 28, 2017); https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3436428/NSC-Order.pdf

Obama's National Security Memorandum (Feb 13, 2009); https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/ppd/ppd-1.pdf

Handy chart from tweet source. Red is out, green is in.

Added analysis; https://lawfareblog.com/national-se...morandum-2—president-trumps-nsc-and-hsc
 

Goro Majima

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They also removed Secretary of Energy from list of invited people. I wonder what this means considering SoE basically handles nukes.
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https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/825513265400860673

Trump's National Security Memorandum (Jan 28, 2017); https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3436428/NSC-Order.pdf

Obama's National Security Memorandum (Feb 13, 2009); https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/ppd/ppd-1.pdf

Handy chart from tweet source. Red is out, green is in.


Added analysis; https://lawfareblog.com/national-security-presidential-memorandum-2—president-trumps-nsc-and-hsc

Now I'm imagining Rick Perry working a 10-2 shift and just sharpening pencils for half that time.

I'm sure he has a whole lot of other things going on in reality but pushing out a traditional big name Republican is kind of a bad look.
 
That's Richard Spencer, the guy that got punched. Steve Bannon was the Executive Chair of Brietbart News, an extreme right online publication that is well beloved by alt-right types. He was also a major advisor to Trump for his presidential run after supporting him wholeheartedly with his news site. And now he's in Trumps presidential inner circle.

He does deserve to get punched.

Bannon also belongs to Council for National Policy, as does Conway and deVos.
 

Ac30

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They also removed Secretary of Energy from list of invited people. I wonder what this means considering SoE basically handles nukes.


To be fair I don't think anyone wants to see how Perry handles nukes. It's more than likely that Perry got the job for sucking up to Trump, everyone knows he's borderline incompetent.
 

Vena

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They also removed Secretary of Energy from list of invited people. I wonder what this means considering SoE basically handles nukes.
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https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/825513265400860673

Trump's National Security Memorandum (Jan 28, 2017); https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3436428/NSC-Order.pdf

Obama's National Security Memorandum (Feb 13, 2009); https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/ppd/ppd-1.pdf

Handy chart from tweet source. Red is out, green is in.

Added analysis; https://lawfareblog.com/national-se...morandum-2—president-trumps-nsc-and-hsc

Worse than I thought. He's basically axing everything he cannot directly control from the Executive seat.
 

Ether_Snake

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I assume the goal here is to have a more linear and top-down chain of command, with the fewest heads at the top. That's essentially a coup.
 

BowieZ

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They also removed Secretary of Energy from list of invited people. I wonder what this means considering SoE basically handles nukes.
mn63iUW.png

https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/825513265400860673

Trump's National Security Memorandum (Jan 28, 2017); https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3436428/NSC-Order.pdf

Obama's National Security Memorandum (Feb 13, 2009); https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/ppd/ppd-1.pdf

Handy chart from tweet source. Red is out, green is in.


Added analysis; https://lawfareblog.com/national-security-presidential-memorandum-2—president-trumps-nsc-and-hsc
Damn, Perry got played.
 

Madrin

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Washington (CNN)Steve Bannon has no regrets.
The ex-Breitbart executive, who serves as Trump's chief strategist for the new administration, told The Hollywood Reporter that "darkness is good."

"Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they (liberals) get it wrong. When they're blind to who we are and what we're doing," he said in an interview published Friday, his first outside of Breitbart since the election.

Another reminder.

And don't forget this gem:

“I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed.

Shocked, I asked him what he meant.

“Lenin,” he answered, “wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...rump-s-top-guy-told-me-he-was-a-leninist.html
 

Ether_Snake

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I am 100% sure Bannon wants Mattis out. And I'm curious about why he is in Trump's administration at all. I think it just comes down to Trump thinking he looks like Patton, just likes his image and background, but I'm certain Bannon is hoping he could get rid of him. I can't believe Mattis like Bannon at all either.

Wild guess here would be that there will be a tug of war between Mattis and Bannon, and I'm curious how it would end.

Some choice quotes from Mattis:

Mattis praises the friendship of regional US allies such as Jordan and the United Arab Emirates.[61] He has criticized Barack Obama for his view of seeing allies as 'free-loading', saying: "For a sitting U.S. president to see our allies as freeloaders is nuts."[61] He has cited the importance of the United Arab Emirates and Jordan as countries that wanted to help, for example, in filling in the gaps in Afghanistan.[62] He has criticized current defense strategy as giving "the perception we're pulling back" from US allies.[62] He stresses the need for the US to bolster its ties with allied intelligence agencies, particularly the intelligence agencies of Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.[63] In 2012, Mattis argued for providing weapons to Syrian rebels, as a way to fight back against Iranian proxies in Syria.

Speaking at a conference sponsored by The Heritage Foundation in Washington in 2015 Mattis stated that he believed that Russian President Vladimir Putin's intent is "to break NATO apart."[65] Mattis has also spoken out against what he perceives as Russia's expansionist or bellicose policies in Syria, Ukraine and the Baltic states.

Does that sound like someone who would see eye to eye with Trump? And we know Trump is following Bannon's advice.

You look at the rest of the administration, Mattis stands out, doesn't fit at all. Is it a pre-emptive counter-coup trick, putting someone you don't agree with in charge of the army so that you can eventually lure them to attack your own administration? Or just make things up and say they were plotting a coup, in order to carry out your own coup, just because it would fit with the narrative?
 

antonz

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I am 100% sure Bannon wants Mattis out. And I'm curious about why he is in Trump's administration at all. I think it just comes down to Trump thinking he looks like Patton, just likes his image and background, but I'm certain Bannon is hoping he could get rid of him. I can't believe Mattis like Bannon at all either.

Wild guess here would be that there will be a tug of war between Mattis and Bannon, and I'm curious how it would end.

Some choice quotes from Mattis:





Does that sound like someone who would see eye to eye with Trump? And we know Trump is following Bannon's advice.

I have to imagine Mattis is trying to be a voice of reason. Hopefully Trumps idolization of Patton leads to him giving deference to Mattis as he has claimed he will.
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
With their voter id laws they implement we are going to start getting Kim Jong Un level numbers for Trump

6-7 hour waits for minorities at the polls were too convenient. 24-hour+ waits next time.
Meanwhile I waited one minute and probably won't wait at all next time.
 

akira28

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The fucky thing about it is a lot can be done in the name of national security in the American system right now. He's basically greasing the wheels for whatever it is they have planned and god help any serious opposition.
 

Woorloog

Banned
I just realized, Bannon is the real-life version of Nolan's Batmanverse Joker. (My knowledge of Batman is limited, Nolanverse Joker is the only one i know might be dark enough comparison.)

"Some men just want to watch the world burn"...

The only difference is, Bannon is in White House. Next to an egoistic narcissist idiot (but an useful idiot) who has nuke codes at his fingertips.
 
This doesn't seem to be getting much attention and if there are behind the scenes power grabs going down at the moment, it is obviously benefiting that all attention is on the Muslim ban.

Not to sound too conspiratorial.
 

Woorloog

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This doesn't seem to be getting much attention and if there are behind the scenes power grabs going down at the moment, it is obviously benefiting that all attention is on the Muslim ban.

Not to sound too conspiratorial.

Well, i did suggest in another thread that Trump and Bannon are moving fast on purpose. This has several advantages: Things can be hidden behind others, and protesters can be worn down possibly. Which makes it even more important to protest just about anything Trump does and keep it up
 
Can someone do a better job of describing this please? I'm unfamiliar with this committee and exactly what's going on? How does this give him so much more power?
 
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