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[Miles X]

I wish the gov/police would encourage peadophiles to come forward (those that have not yet acted) so that they can get the help they need. (and thus save a lot of kids).

The guy in the doc just comes across as creepy and I probably shouldn't say this, but just recently it seems like the biggest supporters against peadophilia turn out to be doing it themselves.

I'm sure he isn't, but there is something not quite right about the whole thing.

Still, they were about to have sex with kids and I doubt they would have backed out if they got that far, so no sympathy from me for them.

 

[ponpo]

I don't really agree with stuff like this but I thought To Catch a Predator was entertaining television.

I guess it shouldn't be, but shrug.

 

[A Link to the Past]

It's pretty clear that:

1) These people know that what they are doing is dangerous as shit, and they are terrified of being caught already.
2) Getting a leaflet through the door saying "Being a paedo is bad" will not stop them.
3) This is irrational behavior, in that you don't think clearly. Your sick desires consume you and you feel compelled to act on them.
4) Education will not prevent these crimes.
5) As a soon to be parent I was fucking shocked at what I saw. There was not a moment of joy to be gained from watching this documentary.

So what you're saying is that the documentary contributes literally nothing. It doesn't educate, it doesn't deter, and it actually makles people LESS willing to come forward and stop their crimes. Thank you for agreeing that this documentary is inherently a bad, awful, harmful thing that trivializes and diminishes everything he claims to be trying to do.

 

[Nicktendo86]

Jesus I forgot that one of the ones caught was a teacher. Chilling.

 

[Silphonica]

This whole debate isn't really something I wanted to think about today. I agree that pedophilia is a fucked up mental health issue, and it is something that people who don't have it really don't understand enough to say psychologically what makes them choose to seek out kids rather than help. Human sexuality can be a fucked up thing, and being hard wired to be sexually attracted to something that is not normal, that person can basically spend their life frustrated. This can further fuck someone up in the mind. So then you present that person with an opportunity to get rid of that frustration, something they've waited pretty much their whole life for (btw writing this is making me feel like shit), their hormones and emotions and whatever will be pretty much at their peak intensity. They will pretty much always act upon that opportunity. I've made posts about this in regards to different issues but, during moments like that your brain cuts off access to any information to you that have nothing to do with the emotions that you are feeling at that time. Admittedly I don't know if this physiological occurrence is also linked to hormones and peak sexual intensity, but all im saying is that we can observe this happening over pretty much every emotion ever so it could be likely it can also applies here. Same principle if a man cheats on his wife after being really sexually attracted to a woman he has seen about for awhile and she tries to seduce him, physically he can't think about the hurt and regret he will feel afterwards because it's not linked to how he feels as this is happening, all he can think about is that sexual attraction, because his brain won't let him.

However,

I also agree with

No, the paedophiles can fuck right off, they are going there to have sex with kids.

 

[Burger]

So what you're saying is that the documentary contributes literally nothing. It doesn't educate, it doesn't deter, and it actually makles people LESS willing to come forward and stop their crimes. Thank you for agreeing that this documentary is inherently a bad, awful, harmful thing that trivializes and diminishes everything he claims to be trying to do.

What are you on about? I meant trying to educate the unknown masses of nonces out there that what they are doing is a bad thing will not lead to convictions.

Have you watched it? How likely is it that these predators would have come forward without this guy doing what he does? It would be some sort of open nonce market.

These sick fucks are turning up with a bottle of wine to see 13 year old children when their parents are out for christs sake. These scumbags are lucky to only get a video posted online.

 

[LanceVance]

I watched this last night. Some of the messages they were sending made me feel sick and incredibly angry. Like I wouldn't send a women I was dating that shit. I don't necessarily agree with putting it online but then again some of them knew what they were doing was incredibly wrong but didn't seem to care. One bit that pissed me off in the doc was when the woman was talking about her husband committing suicide because of it and blaming Stinson for it all. Fuck off no one forced your husband to do anything he made the choice to meet up with what he thought was an 11 year old girl and he made the choice to subsequently kill himself. Hate it when people blame others because they can't accept the truth.

 

[The Elite]

What are you on about? I meant trying to educate the unknown masses of nonces out there that what they are doing is a bad thing will not lead to convictions.

Have you watched it? How likely is it that these predators would have come forward without this guy doing what he does? It would be some sort of open nonce market.

These sick fucks are turning up with a bottle of wine to see 13 year old children when their parents are out for christs sake. These scumbags are lucky to only get a video posted online.

I think the work he's doing is great up until the point of posting the video online. The problem isn't baiting them. That's a good thing since they are obviously not going to seek help themselves. It's the fact that the videos are being posted online. The evidence could easily be turned over to the police without trying to publicly humiliate them for personal fame. They're going to end up on a registry anyway so the public will that needs to know will find out at some point.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Fucking seriously?

What human being with a modicum of intelligence has not heard about child sexual assault yet? This documentary is the least educational documentary I have EVER seen. These kinds of videos DISCOURAGE people from seeking help for their illness, which CAUSES MORE PEOPLE TO ACTIVELY BECOME SEXUAL PREDATORS. You can't stop being ill by being afraid to be arrested.

A lot of people who become molesters were once molested themselves. By making a point of shaming them, you make a point of trivializing child sexual assault for shock value. You view the victims of today as victims, but tomorrow, when their traumatic episode causes them to become abusers themselves, they lose all sympathy from you? This isn't something they choose.

So, since you seem utterly unable to understand what I'm saying...

The only good thing he has done is by trying to prevent it. Once he posted it online, he stopped doing good. He began to do bad, because not only does it not educate the public that already is beyond paranoid about strangers to the point of lunacy, but it discourages pedophiles from outing themselves and seeking help.

If he was JUST getting people arrested who are seeking out children, then I would say "good!" But he didn't just do that, he put it online for attention and made everything worse.

I watched this last night. Some of the messages they were sending made me feel sick and incredibly angry. Like I wouldn't send a women I was dating that shit. I don't necessarily agree with putting it online but then again some of them knew what they were doing was incredibly wrong but didn't seem to care. One bit that pissed me off in the doc was when the woman was talking about her husband committing suicide because of it and blaming Stinson for it all. Fuck off no one forced your husband to do anything he made the choice to meet up with what he thought was an 11 year old girl and he made the choice to subsequently kill himself. Hate it when people blame others because they can't accept the truth.

He made the choice? So your thinking is that he chose to be ill? Shit, what if that person became the way he was because he was molested as a child? As I've reiterated so many times, victims of child sexual assault will often become abusers because they become psychologically traumatized. Your post is the perfect example of resorting to shock and outrage, and ignoring that some of these people WERE forced into this behaviour.

 

[Burger]

I think the work he's doing is great up until the point of posting the video online. The problem isn't baiting them. That's a good thing since they are obviously not going to seek help themselves. It's the fact that the videos are being posted online. The evidence could easily be turned over to the police without trying to publicly humiliate them for personal fame. They're going to end up on a registry anyway so the public will that needs to know will find out at some point.

The whole thing doesn't work without posting the videos online. He does it full time, out of his own pocket. Without that he's just a guy, no public awareness, no documentary, no point. Eg:

This is Roger and as most of you will know by now he features in ‘The Paedophile Hunter’ he arranged to meet what he thought was an 11 year old girl with autism, the evidence as you will see in this video, full chat log and during ‘The Paedophile Hunter’, is compelling and absolutely damning yet the CPS after almost 9 months of messing about decided to not charge him with any offence even though as you can see by our conviction rate the evidence we provide is 100% legally sound.

Channel 4 and Amos Pictures took the brave move of showing Roger on national TV completely unblurred to fully show the levels of depravity this man went to.

Since the CPS decided to free Roger with no charge I personally have suffered extreme levels of abuse from this man ranging from threats of violence and lies being made up about me to extreme homophobia, despite the fact society labels me as ‘Straight’ - his behaviour since the CPS let this man go has further proven to everyone who has seen this man on my Twitter account and this very page that he is a dangerous man and the CPS made a fundamental error in letting this man walk away un tried by a court despite charging people on much less evidence.

Look at the shit this scumbag sends: http://stinson-hunter.com/2014/06/roger-wilson/

 

[A Link to the Past]

How about a Kickstarter to help fund his work? Or a Patreon? I'm sure people would love to help him do it. He doesn't need to turn "protecting and serving" into a for-profit enterprise.

 

[Burger]

Fucking seriously?

Those poor paedo's getting their picture posted online. Poor them. Never mind they are actively grooming children online and prepared to meet and molest them. Won't someone think of those poor poor paedo's who just want to be left alone?

Also how did you watch the documentary if you live in Minnesota?

 

[A Link to the Past]

...

Do you read fucking English? I mean holy fucking SHIT, dude. It's amazing how much of a shock fetish you have that you clearly only care about shaming, and not prevention of child sexual assault?

This video is making it worse. By supporting this video, you're supporting the shitty harm it causes to potential victims of child sexual assault. That this video is online is not educating the people who have had the same kinds of shows for a DECADE, it's not causing pedophiles to no longer molest children out of fear, it's not causing pedophiles to seek mental help, and it's not helping the victims of child sexual assault who grow up in an environment where the ensuing mental trauma causes them to become what they so hate, and never seek help because they are afraid of being outcasts.

 

[Burger]

...

Do you read fucking English? I mean holy fucking SHIT, dude. It's amazing how much of a shock fetish you have that you clearly only care about shaming, and not prevention of child sexual assault?

Calm down.

The work he's done has led to 10 scumbags being convicted. All prepared to travel to a young childs house to molest them. People not just thinking about it, but active predators.

That sounds like prevention of child sexual assault to me.

 

[Holy_Chic]

I support what hes doing..like i believe theres a special in place in hell for pedophiles because they are sick and twisted

 

[Angelus Errare]

Finding it extremely difficult to muster up empathy for these people.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Calm down.

The work he's done has led to 10 scumbags being convicted. All prepared to travel to a young childs house to molest them. People not just thinking about it, but active predators.

That sounds like prevention of child sexual assault to me.

So what you're saying, right now, is that he needed to post a documentary online about it, or they wouldn't have been arrested?

You believe that 10 arrests justifies furthering the stigma that ensures that more and more pedophiles will not seek help, resulting in many thousands more abuse cases because of said stigma?

The ends DON'T justify the means. He had many avenues to fund his campaign, and frankly, the fact that he posted this documentary demonstrates that protecting children is a triviality - his only priority is fame.

 

[TomPUH]

You believe that 10 arrests justifies furthering the stigma that ensures that more and more pedophiles will not seek help, resulting in many thousands more abuse cases because of said stigma?

I have problems fully understanding why you're so certain of this. The people posted online were at the door of the imaginary children. Sure, the shaming is harsh (and has led to a suicide) but they are not getting videos posted about their temptations for going to therapy.

 

[Burger]

So what you're saying, right now, is that he needed to post a documentary online about it, or they wouldn't have been arrested?

You believe that 10 arrests justifies furthering the stigma that ensures that more and more pedophiles will not seek help, resulting in many thousands more abuse cases because of said stigma?

The ends DON'T justify the means. He had many avenues to fund his campaign, and frankly, the fact that he posted this documentary demonstrates that protecting children is a triviality - his only priority is fame.

I'm saying I think it's a good thing that award winning director Dan Reed decided to tackle a tough subject head on in what I thought was a fascinating documentary.

P.S. You cannot post a documentary to television.

 

[FourMyle]

I see nothing wrong with this program

 

[A Link to the Past]

I have problems fully understanding why you're so certain of this. The people posted online were at the door of the imaginary children. Sure, the shaming is harsh (and has led to a suicide) but they are not getting videos posted about their temptations for going to therapy.

Because it creates an image of pedophiles as horrific monsters. It is wrong to want to molest children, and the people in this video had gone off the deep end. However, for those who struggle to maintain control, who want to get help, they're really fucking afraid that it will follow them for the rest of their life, which leads to them bottling it up. When you bottle psychological trauma up, it becomes worse until you can't fight it anymore. They may fear that they will be rejected by their friends and family, that they may lose their job, that they may lose all forms of support they once have (this is not an irrational fear, mind you - this does in fact happen a lot). Further, therapy is cost prohibitive, and I can assure you that a lot of child abusers come from poverty. So even if they come forward, how are they going to get help?

EDIT: But yeah, TC is right. Sure, this documentary contributes to people being fearful to expose themselves, which in turn leads to more and more people molesting children because they're NOT getting help, but it was a super awesome documentary! The rise in molestation is worth it for something of quality.

 

[StayDead]

I have problems fully understanding why you're so certain of this. The people posted online were at the door of the imaginary children. Sure, the shaming is harsh (and has led to a suicide) but they are not getting videos posted about their temptations for going to therapy.

This leads back to the problem of it's impossible for someone with a sexual attraction to children to get help without being shamed/thrown in jail whether they've done anything or not. We as a society are quick to shame people of any sexuality if it goes against social and legal norms (see how gay people were treated even 60 years ago) and no matter how wrong something is, those people deserve the right to be helped.

The fact they can't get help or relieve their sexual tension in any way is what causes them to act out in the first place. It's the same reason many rapes are commited by people who can't get sex any other way and are so sexually frustrated that they lash out rather than seek help.

There needs to be a system in place where people can recieve anonymous councilling to help them out of the situation they're in. As it's a sexual attraction and hardwired it's not possible to cure them, much as it's not possible to cure homosexuality, but we do need to have a system where they can keep their urges under control without hurting anyone. Shaming and jailing people who've done nothing wrong (ok the cases in here are different) just leads to more crime being comitted, not less. In a way it's similar to heroin addiction. You can either help them to quell their addiction, or leave them and watch as they get more desperate and more likely to commit crime to go out and get their next hit.

 

[Captain_Spanky]

Looks like yet another exploitative non-documentary from Channel 4 to me.

 

[A Link to the Past]

And then we have Jeffrey Dahmer - a person who, if we are to believe him, found himself unable to control certain urges, that may have been helped with psychotherapy. How is a person going to come forward and say "you know that thing that is not only taboo, but considered one of the worst things a human being can do? I have the urge to do that." Can you imagine the position that person is in? We as a society don't encourage people to get help, we just watch TV and jeer at people after they've lost control, and then vegetate until the next story about a mentally ill individual killing/raping someone appears in the screen for them to scorn.

 

[Burger]

Because it creates an image of pedophiles as horrific monsters. It is wrong to want to molest children, and the people in this video had gone off the deep end. However, for those who struggle to maintain control, who want to get help, they're really fucking afraid that it will follow them for the rest of their life, which leads to them bottling it up. When you bottle psychological trauma up, it becomes worse until you can't fight it anymore. They may fear that they will be rejected by their friends and family, that they may lose their job, that they may lose all forms of support they once have (this is not an irrational fear, mind you - this does in fact happen a lot). Further, therapy is cost prohibitive, and I can assure you that a lot of child abusers come from poverty. So even if they come forward, how are they going to get help?

EDIT: But yeah, TC is right. Sure, this documentary contributes to people being fearful to expose themselves, which in turn leads to more and more people molesting children because they're NOT getting help, but it was a super awesome documentary! The rise in molestation is worth it for something of quality.

It's not hard for these paedophiles to get help:

http://www.stopitnow.org.uk/

You can phone them, email them. All free, all confidential and anonymous.

The documentary shows that there are people out there who are not seeking help, but gratification.

 

[Kart94]

I'm ok with this. Pedos are disgusting people who need to be shamed as much as possible.

 

[Father_Brain]

This is incredibly sinister. We need to start treating paedophilia as the mental disease it is rather than humiliating those affected by it. Though at the same time, actual sex-offenders need to face punishment and rehabilitation.

On a different note, I was expecting something along the lines of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkO2_LdgSas

Man, that episode of Brasseye was a goddamn masterpiece.

 

[Kaper]

is unacted pedophilia a psychiatric disorder?

to your questions, i haven't the faintest idea.

No. Something is considered a disorder if it harms the self or others. However, pedophiles who don't act on their urges, but are distressed about them would be considered to have a disorder. Check the DSM for more info.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

It's not hard for these paedophiles to get help:

http://www.stopitnow.org.uk/

You can phone them, email them. All free, all confidential and anonymous.

The documentary shows that there are people out there who are not seeking help, but gratification.

I had no idea there was an organisation that deals primarily with helping paedophiles/potential abusers.

Seems like something that should get a lot more attention and media coverage. If only so people know there's somewhere they can turn.

 

[A Link to the Past]

You're quite naive if you think that the takeaway from it by the stupid viewers isn't "I hope all pedophiles die." Do you honestly believe that if any one pedophile was exposed, their life wouldn't become ostensibly worse? This thread and its pitchfork-wielding posters are proof enough that their mere existence is despised.

The fact of the matter is that a pedophile can get all the help in the world, but it will create new complications when they are ostracized from society and treated like a monster. They can't live in certain places, they can't work in certain places - outing yourself could leave you homeless.

 

[Holy_Chic]

but it will create new complications when they are ostracized from society and treated like a monster.

im ok with this...anyone who tries to have sex with a child is a monster. i wouldn't want them near mine or anyone elses children because its terrifying for them

 

[Miles Quaritch]

You're quite naive if you think that the takeaway from it by the stupid viewers isn't "I hope all pedophiles die." Do you honestly believe that if any one pedophile was exposed, their life wouldn't become ostensibly worse? This thread and its pitchfork-wielding posters are proof enough that their mere existence is despised.

The fact of the matter is that a pedophile can get all the help in the world, but it will create new complications when they are ostracized from society and treated like a monster. They can't live in certain places, they can't work in certain places - outing yourself could leave you homeless.

Yup. And if you've done your time and are possibly rehabilitated?

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news...ed_for_24_years/?action=complain&cid=12780129

Expect a vigilante mob outside your door ready to mete out some 'justice'.

And then there's this,

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3907011.ece
http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/55810/bristol-man-falsely-accused-paedophilia-killed-and-burned

 

[John Kowalski]

Wouldn't this be considered entrapment if done by someone from the law?

Vigilantism is bad k.

 

[A Link to the Past]

im ok with this...anyone who tries to have sex with a child is a monster. i wouldn't want them near mine or anyone elses children because its terrifying for them

Read my fucking post.

 

[Captain_Spanky]

The arsehole even says "It's not my place to beat them up". He's actively encouraging and supporting mob violence.

 

[Summer Haze]

No, the paedophiles can fuck right off, they are going there to have sex with kids.

THIS.

You know, I might have been in the level-headed camp a short while ago, but ever since my 12 day old niece has been born (she's asleep on my chest as I type this), my attitude towards scum like this (the paedophiles) is one of zero tolerance. These videos make me furious and sick to my stomach....and I'm only an uncle, I can't imagine knows what it must feel like to be a parent and watch these videos.

Fuck paedophiles and fuck "helping" them. They are the lowest scum of the earth. The effort, time, and money spent "rehabilitating" them should be spent elsewhere, on people that actually deserve it.

 

[Kart94]

im ok with this...anyone who tries to have sex with a child is a monster. i wouldn't want them near mine or anyone elses children because its terrifying for them

You nailed them. they are disgusting people who need to be shamed as possible. Reading about them was one thing, but i actually knew someone from college who was molested by one and he told how he was never the same again.

fuck these subhuman people.

 

[witchedwiz]

Really? These people need help, not being embarrassed to the point of committing suicide just so this asshole can make money/fame off it. Fuck him.

ehm.......

Yeah, poor guys, they thought they were going to go have sex with a kid and instead they got shamed in public. How terrible for them.

If it was possible to have less than zero sympathy for someone, I would.

this definitely

 

[Miles Quaritch]

THIS.

You know, I might have been in the level-headed camp a short while ago, but ever since my 12 day old niece has been born (she's asleep on my chest as I type this), my attitude towards scum like this (the paedophiles) is one of zero tolerance. These videos make me furious and sick to my stomach....and I'm only an uncle, I can't imagine knows what it must feel like to be a parent and watch these videos.

Fuck paedophiles and fuck "helping" them. They are the lowest scum of the earth. The effort, time, and money spent "rehabilitating" them should be spent elsewhere, on people that actually deserve it.

Oh really now.

So what do you think should be done with paedophiles? And does this only help 'people that actually deserve it' extend to murderers, rapists, violent offenders as well? What do you propose we do with these people who 'don't deserve to be rehabilitated'?

 

[Red Liquorice]

I am somewhat equating it because sexual attraction is something that is hardwired into your brain. Don't forget a long time ago that having sex with children was seen as a perfectly normal thing to do and in some societies today it still is sadly.

The way people (who do not choose to be peadophiles) are treated is very similar to how we treated gay people to as close as 50 years ago where in the UK you could be jailed for being outed as a homosexual. I'm not saying having an attraction to children is right or that being gay is wrong, but we need to do more to help people who suffer the attractions that are illegal and wrong by law rather than outing, shaming and ruining their lives. People do not choose what their brain gets aroused by.

I don't quite agree with this. I know what your saying, but it's not like homosexuality. I think the majority of paedophiles most likely have a history of abuse themselves whether that's sexual, emotional etc. And thus I would say paedophilia is more of a power relationship thing, more akin to how rape is a power play rather than simply being an uncontrollable desire for sex.

I get that people don't chose what they are attracted to, but they do chose whether they act on it or not - and homosexuals act consentually. Rapists and paedophiles do not, and even if the child victim did verbally give consent they are not in a position to give that consent knowledgably.

 

[A Link to the Past]

THIS.

You know, I might have been in the level-headed camp a short while ago, but ever since my 12 day old niece has been born (she's asleep on my chest as I type this), my attitude towards scum like this (the paedophiles) is one of zero tolerance. These videos make me furious and sick to my stomach....and I'm only an uncle, I can't imagine knows what it must feel like to be a parent and watch these videos.

Fuck paedophiles and fuck "helping" them. They are the lowest scum of the earth. The effort, time, and money spent "rehabilitating" them should be spent elsewhere, on people that actually deserve it.

Wow, the outrage fetish in this post. But hey, "kill people with mental illnesses" is just the easy way to do it. And I'm sure if you were suffering from mental illnesses, you would be totally in control, because you are magical or something.

 

[Summer Haze]

Oh really now.

So what do you think should be done with paedophiles?

Yes, really.

And I don't think it would be wise for me to say what I think they deserve.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

I always find it ironic how many of those who call paedophiles 'sick' then deny the role of mental illness and dismiss the idea of rehabilitation

 

[A Link to the Past]

Yes, really.

And I don't think it would be wise for me to say what I think they deserve.

I understand why you wouldn't say something that would indicate that you are a sociopathic scumbag.

You sure are lucky that you didn't suffer a traumatic episode that lead you to becoming mentally ill to the degree that you experience these urges.

 

[Summer Haze]

Wow, the outrage fetish in this post. But hey, "kill people with mental illnesses" is just the easy way to do it. And I'm sure if you were suffering from mental illnesses, you would be totally in control, because you are magical or something.

I'm not here to argue, I'm just here to share my views, and I definitely don't have a "fetish".

I wonder if you'd be this empathetic if a paedophile ever tried to have sex with your child?

 

[Bit-Bit]

THIS.

You know, I might have been in the level-headed camp a short while ago, but ever since my 12 day old niece has been born (she's asleep on my chest as I type this), my attitude towards scum like this (the paedophiles) is one of zero tolerance. These videos make me furious and sick to my stomach....and I'm only an uncle, I can't imagine knows what it must feel like to be a parent and watch these videos.

Fuck paedophiles and fuck "helping" them. They are the lowest scum of the earth. The effort, time, and money spent "rehabilitating" them should be spent elsewhere, on people that actually deserve it.

There is an amazing interview that NPR did with some pedophiles that made me look at the situation completely different.

Give it a listen and hopefully you too can come to a better understanding of these sick people. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/522/tarred-and-feathered

 

[DrFurbs]

As far I'm aware paedophilla is not listed as a mental disorder in the DSM (although they tried in the DSM 5 to huge opposition) because it's a crime.

Personally I think this is their sexual preference. It is like telling a gay man or woman that therapy can cure them of their sexual orientation.

These people just prefer children. My personal feeling on the documentary is I thought it was good and I'm glad someone is catching these scumbags.

I won't post my true feelings about what I think should be done with them BC its just too strong but these assholes destroy lives and add Zero to society over all.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I'm not here to argue, I'm just here to share my views, and I definitely don't have a "fetish".

I wonder if you'd be this empathetic if a paedophile ever tried to have sex with your child?

Explain why your views are better than the views of someone who decides that all black people are thugs based on a single encounter.

 

[cwmartin]

It's good that potential predators have been removed from being a threat. But this whole show comes off as some exploitive thought crime shit.

 

[Summer Haze]

Ok, I made a mistake posting in this thread. My apologies for anyone I have offended. I understand my viewpoint is incredibly harsh, but I genuinely can't help it. I'm no longer capable of logical thinking or empathy when it comes to this issue.

I'm out.