Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
That's how it starts.I'm all for it, but all it does is they make them have to just talk about it. so can't they just be like "yea, no thanks, we don't have the resources. have a nice day." end meeting
That's how it starts.I'm all for it, but all it does is they make them have to just talk about it. so can't they just be like "yea, no thanks, we don't have the resources. have a nice day." end meeting
UK has its own because, they LEFT the EU during this little thing called BREXIT.Weird I guess this is only Europe. And why isn't the UK on it? Guess USA doesn't get a vote either.
Wow some countries like Poland and Hungary you need passports and all sorts of crazy info.
but you need to download the actual game no? assuming if your games are digital.lol the poor guy ross wanted out. He saw it was a mistake and was tired of it.
Now he will have to somehow go through with this.
Honestly, doesn't matter to me at all. online games dont matter to me at all.
All the games I am interested in, are usually not internet connected.
I think it's a good cause but ultimately very naive and waste of time
Oh, something's going to change alright. But I don't think this is going to go the way people think its going to go.Nothing will change. But good try.
lol yeah why try for something to be better if it's always best to just sit down on my couch and let everyone else decide for me some shitty decisions that shouldn't be happening in the first place? /sNothing will change. But good try.
Nothing will change. But good try.
Depends. Most don't require download.but you need to download the actual game no? assuming if your games are digital.
even physical games required to download a large portion of data.
What does Phil even have to do with this?Thanks uncle Phil
Gamers going out with a bang. Hell, yeah.Given our current time-line, watch this somehow become the trigger for an all nuclear war with China.
How does this work with games that have tightly coupled Integration with authentication and private data? What about things that have licenses that prevent redistribution?
I dont really care about this at all and i oppose regulations in general. You guys make it sound like anthem is vital cultural heritage of mankind and not commercial crap that just failed.
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Curious to know how many of that 1mil are actual citizens of EU as their signature is the only valid one.
How does this work with games that have tightly coupled Integration with authentication and private data?
What about things that have licenses that prevent redistribution?
Is this some "All games are precious and must be preserved for eternity" bullshit?
It just means that developers need to make an "end-of-life" plan for all upcoming games.
It also doesn't mean 100% equal once support ends.
For Racing games as an example, Ghosts, leaderboards etc. wouldn't have to be somehow kept alive, but you should still be able to play the game once the servers shut down.
It is worth mentioning though that this may not even result in any legislation or anything, there could be just some clarifications in some matters such as "yeah, this revoking clause in the ToS isn't legal", which would take less time. Also, game companies would already start adapting way before any action is actually taken as long as it looks its going somewhere (especially considering modern half-decade dev cycles)People also need to keep in mind that it could take YEARS for the EU Commission to come to a decision when it comes to what needs to be done legally, and then YEARS again for all member states to implement the laws to abide with the EU laws created, and even after that it could be YEARS again before games would need to follow them, if they want them available/accessible in any EU country.
True the EU Commission might just come back with you can't call it selling/buy/purchase or even licensing, but have to call it Rent/Subscription and you MUST have a preliminary end-date.It is worth mentioning though that this may not even result in any legislation or anything, there could be just some clarifications in some matters such as "yeah, this revoking clause in the ToS isn't legal". Also, game companies would already start adapting way before any action is actually take as long as it looks its going somewhere (especially considering modern half-decade dev cycles)
Perhaps it would be better ti push for 1.25 million signatures to account for redundancies that will get filter out by mistakes.
Apparently it's not necessary for every country. I've read that Germany and Greece for example only require a valid address, no idea if it is indeed the case, but if it is then it's probably quite easy to bot and farm signatures. So it's quite important that people don't ignore this because it already reached 1M. Every single signature is important.
I made a petition to fuck your mum and it worked
Technically that has already been decided under EU law if I'm not mistaken, once you buy software, it's yours to keep and do as you please (within limits of copyright law obviously) and the distributor cannot revoke your access to it.True the EU Commission might just come back with you can't call it selling/buy/purchase or even licensing, but have to call it Rent/Subscription and you MUST have a preliminary end-date.
Who knows..
It seems like lots of people haven't read up on it and are basing their assumptions from either their own gut feeling about the words or some other misinfornation that mysteriously came from *somewhere*People in here seem to forget that the proposal explicitly states it is not retroactive.
Means all and any games out now today won't have to be touched.
It just means that developers need to make an "end-of-life" plan for all upcoming games.
It also doesn't mean 100% equal once support ends.
For Racing games as an example, Ghosts, leaderboards etc. wouldn't have to be somehow kept alive, but you should still be able to play the game once the servers shut down.
MMOs will be the only tricky part because of the scale and resources needed to host them, but considering there are even private servers for WoW out already, I don't see why it isn't possible to also account for something like that when designing a game.
Being against this bill is confusing to me, because that would mean you'd literally advocate for "you own nothing, and you will like it!" mentality.
Virtually all of modern EULA's has never been tested in court. For the few aspects have been brought before a Judge, they've fallen apart. Steam's original refund policy of "Fuck you" was struck down by the ACCC, for example, despite it being in Steam's EULA. Simply put: in most countries, you're not able to sign away your rights. Consumer protection laws are a good thing. Only in backwards countries like America or Russia are consumer protections viewed negatively.Pretty sure the terms we agree to, when purchasing games, completely negates this.
Europeans seem to get a lot of [stupid] stuff done by crying enough about things though, such as allowing alt stores on Apple devices and outlawing loot boxes.
If this bill gets enough votes what will happen? Will Sony be forced to bring back Concord?
1. This is not a bill, but (hopefully) the start of legislation looking into this (they'll have to, if the initiative passes). It does come with a few suggestions and a goal, though.If this bill gets enough votes what will happen? Will Sony be forced to bring back Concord?
America makes great games. The best games. Some would say the greatest games of all time. My son told me the other night look dad, isn't this game amazing? Minecraft, i think was the name. Wouldn't it be terrible if these games disappeared? It would be pretty terrible, i think. Many people think its terrible. They came to me, saying Mr. Trump, we dont want these games to disappear, it would be terrible! So i assured them, i wouldn't let that happen, not now, not ever. I'll make sure these great american games will remain great for all eternity.Who in the US government that loves games can we bother on X to get Trump to sign an executive order. He could go down as the only US president that bothered to care about consumers.
You had me in the first half.America makes great games. The best games. Some would say the greatest games of all time. My son told me the other night look dad, isn't this game amazing? Minecraft, i think was the name. Wouldn't it be terrible if these games disappeared? It would be pretty terrible, i think. Many people think its terrible. They came to me, saying Mr. Trump, we dont want these games to disappear, it would be terrible! So i assured them, i wouldn't let that happen, not now, not ever. I'll make sure these great american games will remain great for all eternity.
You probably mean the YouTuber that goes by the name Thor or PirateSoftware. He typically codes several hours per day and streams it, has a big community following. He usually makes a lot of sense although he speaks with an ultimate truth, like he knows everything, and his confidence and world views attracts a lot of people. He is usually pretty pro consumer but something triggered him here.So who's the lesbian that I keep seeing in the memes and stuff? Is that like a noted opponent of game preservation or something? I just feel out of the loop lol, let me in!
If the pics I saw were real and not edited then his code is also nothing to be talked about to put it in polite terms. I've never watched him so I don't know exactly the type of stream he does but if it's supposed to be educational and some of you specifically want to learn how to code then please GET THE FUCK OUT, do not watch this dude.You probably mean the YouTuber that goes by the name Thor or PirateSoftware. He typically codes several hours per day and streams it, has a big community following. He usually makes a lot of sense although he speaks with an ultimate truth, like he knows everything, and his confidence and world views attracts a lot of people. He is usually pretty pro consumer but something triggered him here.
Hey, thanks very much for explaining, seriously. I had no idea that was a guy at all, but it sounds like he's seriously lacking emotional maturity, and probably has a lot of growing up to do.You probably mean the YouTuber that goes by the name Thor or PirateSoftware. He typically codes several hours per day and streams it, has a big community following. He usually makes a lot of sense although he speaks with an ultimate truth, like he knows everything, and his confidence and world views attracts a lot of people. He is usually pretty pro consumer but something triggered him here.
When the initiative was being brought up to him by his audience he practically picked it apart by misrepresenting what the initiative is, by finding it way too vague and because he sees live service games at risk if this passes. it's like he thinks it's an actual bill or law or something and don't know how things in the EU works.
He then started being a complete dick when Ross, the founder of the initiative, reached out to him to have a conversation. Thor literally told Ross that he can eat his entire ass (his exact words) and that he refuses to talk about it... At least with him, because he still went on for hours and made several videos where he did talk about it, but again with his condescending tone and he encouraged his viewers actively to NOT support this initiative.
He was coming from a developer's side and wanted to raise awareness to the technical issues in developing games if there would be certain restrictive laws, assuming that very specific laws would be passed. But then he completely lost his shit, was so mad about a few wordings (like politician want easy wins) that he wanted to throw this entire thing under the bus and went on an autistic spree about the initiative's founder.
It seems like lots of people haven't read up on it and are basing their assumptions from either their own gut feeling about the words or some other misinfornation that mysteriously came from *somewhere*
Mmos are an interesting one. You can run a solo wow instance populate with player bots that are capable of helping you finish all the raid content on a mid range PC now. I only bring this up because i find immensely interesting.
Personal pipe dream: this leads to more games going the doom and doom 2 route.
It's far from over when it comes to the signatures alone, keep spreading the word.
The end of live service games.