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[Team Andromeda]

Ignore Youtube and most so the ones with hundreds of 'games' in the background

 

[SmokedMeat]

Buy physical copies of games which don't require perpetually online servers to work

Problem solved

 

[64gigabyteram]

Ignore Youtube and most so the ones with hundreds of 'games' in the background

This guy has a just cause and those games are legit. He runs a review series of random games. Not sure where your hatred is from

 

[Team Andromeda]

This guy has a just cause and those games are legit. He runs a review series of random games. Not sure where your hatred is from

He's the typical You Tube thumbnail grandstanding shill

 

[Guilty_AI]

He's the typical You Tube thumbnail grandstanding shill

Guy has been around since mid 2000s youtube, made the Freeman's mind series and now does reviews of obscure old games, usually abandonwares. He's anything but the "typical youtuber".

 

[Team Andromeda]

Guy has been around since mid 2000s youtube, made the Freeman's mind series and now does reviews of obscure old games, usually abandonwares. He's anything but the "typical youtuber".

So has MJR

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

 

[Clear]

Its impossible to get people to understand that all they ever own are keys, and the digital "locks" into which they fit can be unilaterally removed by the supplier because there's no law that says they need to maintain them in perpetuity!

What's more its completely unenforceable because who'd pick up the slack were the supplier go out of business or noone remained able to maintain said digital locks?

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

I know it doesn't mean much, but if you're from the UK please consider signing the 'The Stop Killing Games' petition.

Archived Petition: Require videogame publishers to keep games they have sold in a working state

Require publishers to leave videogames (and related game assets / features) they have sold to customers in a reasonably working state when support ends, so that no further intervention whatsoever is necessary for the game to function, as a statutory consumer right.

petition.parliament.uk

 

[RoboFu]

Nah , we pay $20 to go watch a movie once. We pay $70 to play a game for 10 years. Then one day you die.

 

[WitchHunter]

Multiplayer games get sold physically too. And when those servers get shut down, if they can't open source the online netcode they should at the very least refund you everything you paid

They could release a vm image with binaries and let anyone pull up servers...

 

[Clear]

They could release a vm image with binaries and let anyone pull up servers...

They could, but why would anyone choose to place their work in the public domain decades before their copyright expires?

 

[Deerock71]

For every schlub that fast-forwarded through the terms of service and user agreements and clicked [I AGREE], let me sum up from the other side what you agreed to:

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

I totally get why this upsets people, but at the end of the day, money has to be spent to keep servers online, if the money isn't there, who's going to pay to keep a game online just because? These ain't fucking charities.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I totally get why this upsets people, but at the end of the day, money has to be spent to keep servers online, if the money isn't there, who's going to pay to keep a game online just because? These ain't fucking charities.

Don't force the game to check with servers then? Let players make their own servers? There were various cases of fans being able to run private servers from games that supposedly needed company servers.

 

[rodrigolfp]

They could release a vm image with binaries and let anyone pull up servers...

They could patch local saves and local server creation (P2P) like games like Quake did in 1996.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Don't force the game to check with servers then? Let players make their own servers? There were various cases of fans being able to run private servers from games that supposedly needed company servers.

Sure, those are actual solutions, what I'm saying is it's weird people expect companies to just throw money just cuz (tbf, they do that a lot these days anyway)

Game devs could also move away from this stuff back to single player focused.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Sure, those are actual solutions, what I'm saying is it's weird people expect companies to just throw money just cuz (tbf, they do that a lot these days anyway)

Even more reason to make a law on it. They weren't forced to give refunds for digital purchases 15 years ago either, nor would some since they'd only have to lose.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Game devs could also move away from this stuff back to single player focused.

They can do both, like they did since, again, Quake 1 in 1996.

 

[Spukc]

Ubisheit taking one of their games from the market is a good thing

 

[digital_ghost]

# game lives matter

#stop destroying our games

physical game destruction should be illegal.

Publishers:

 

[WitchHunter]

They could, but why would anyone choose to place their work in the public domain decades before their copyright expires?

I mean if they have zero plans to continue the franchise... then why let it rot?

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Why don't you just buy physical games?

You chose the path you are on. Nobody made that choice for you

Uh yes. There are quite a few games that are not available physically.

 

[mdkirby]

I totally get why this upsets people, but at the end of the day, money has to be spent to keep servers online, if the money isn't there, who's going to pay to keep a game online just because? These ain't fucking charities.

Very true, but at the same time media preservation is important. It's always been a thing. Games are a major new media and this capability is being compromised. The companies themselves shouldn't be responsible for maintaining it, as you're right, it costs, and companies go out of business. It needs to be funded and performed by either publicly funded, or charity based archival libraries. But companies should be made to ALLOW that to happen. Currently most don't. They just turn them off and they vanish into history.

 

[Bojji]

Nah , we pay $20 to go watch a movie once. We pay $70 to play a game for 10 years. Then one day you die.

You can also buy movies on physical media and watch them until you die.

 

[RoboFu]

You can also buy movies on physical media and watch them until you die.

Really ? That vhs collection doing well for you now?

 

[Bojji]

Really ? That vhs collection doing well for you now?

Technology advanced since VHS and we have DVD, BD and UHD BD formats - modern players can play them all (including consoles).

You buy them once and own them for the rest of your life, same is true for majority of games through history. You also have ability to sell or trade/borrow them.

You probably don't care about things like that but many people do, letting corporations do whatever they want will be bad for everyone in the end (including you).

 

[coolmast3r]

I don't see how anyone wouldn't want to support this initiative. Unless you are a corporate shill that cares more about short term $$$ vs preserving games as a form of art.

 

[IbizaPocholo]

Europeans can save videogames from being destroyed! The European Citizens' Initiative has just launched and represents the biggest and most ambitious chance to create new law against publishers destroying games they have already sold to you. Get EU citizens to sign it!

 

[Miles708]

This could use its own thread

 

[YeulEmeralda]

They could, but why would anyone choose to place their work in the public domain decades before their copyright expires?

Copyright for a videogame is 50 years I think?

But the vast majority of games don't make any money after a decade.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Link to support the inititative: https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en#

Doens't take more than a minute.