RodriGames40
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The corporate shills better give up already. We are playing our games forever.
Lets pretend this law was in place before WoW released. What degree of functionality would it have to retain to be compliant with this?I edited my post to include the answer, so you probably missed it, and I'll repeat:
All of this would be known before development even starts (the initiative is not retroactive, laws generally cannot be), it wouldn't be some "sudden" cost factor, but an abysmally small amount of work to be happening at the end of life.
This has nothing to do with costs, it's simply to get suits to do the right thing, even if it would cost them 0.000001% of profit.
If a new WoW was to be developed AFTER the initiative has lead to a law, THEN it would have to oblige.
Not totally clear at this point.Lets pretend this law was in place before WoW released. What degree of functionality would it have to retain to be compliant with this?
"Reasonably functional"The initiative does not seek to acquire ownership of said videogames, associated intellectual rights or monetization rights, neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it while leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state.
Therein lies the problem. If these things aren't crystal clear it's going to end up causing confusion and hurting more than it helps. I have yet to see anyone strongly in favor of this give an explanation of what it would look it in a GaaS. They all just defer to the EU Commission, like they're capable of understanding it and providing a nuanced solution that doesn't end up hurting more than it helps.(though that might not be feasable in all cases).
I just did. In multiple paragraphs.Therein lies the problem. If these things aren't crystal clear it's going to end up causing confusion and hurting more than it helps. I have yet to see anyone strongly in favor of this give an explanation of what it would look it in a GaaS.
Yeah, they are. That's literally their job.hey all just defer to the EU Commission, like they're capable of understanding it and providing a nuanced solution that doesn't end up hurting more than it helps.
You should stop huffing the "government bad, mhkay" glue. No, government is not bad - it just needs help sometimes to take action, hence the initiative.I agree with the sentiment, obviously, but it's too messy and governments are too stupid to make any kind of legislation help more than hurt. Can't stress how bad of an idea it is to invite government regulation into your hobby.
EU gov good? Not often you get someone to admit to that in public, but here we are. Saw some crazy stuff in Berlin 3 years ago. Far cry from what it looked like in 08 when I spent a couple months there for work. Personally, I wouldn't invite the gov who made those decisions to decide anything about a hobby of mine. But hey maybe it's cultural? Some people just can't get by without being told what to do.Yeah, they are. That's literally their job.
You should stop huffing the "government bad, mhkay" glue. No, government is not bad - it just needs help sometimes to take action, hence the initiative.
Just to clarify:EU gov good? Not often you get someone to admit to that in public, but here we are. Saw some crazy stuff in Berlin 3 years ago. Far cry from what it looked like in 08 when I spent a couple months there for work.
EU gov good? Not often you get someone to admit to that in public, but here we are. Saw some crazy stuff in Berlin 3 years ago. Far cry from what it looked like in 08 when I spent a couple months there for work. Personally, I wouldn't invite the gov who made those decisions to decide anything about a hobby of mine. But hey maybe it's cultural? Some people just can't get by without being told what to do.
Still doesn't explain how Helldivers 2 or Destiny would play offline. I'd certainly argue they're non-compliant if the majority of content isn't playable. Which without heroic amounts of AI updates, it would be.
Does this matter even in the slightest, if everyone and their mother here continues to buy games from companies that actively lobby against this?
which is nearly every company.
I think you have proven sufficiently in this thread that you have no clue what you are talking about with any given topic, nor do you wish to improve, learn and be educated, you just wish to talk shit and wallow in your negativity.EU gov good? Not often you get someone to admit to that in public, but here we are. Saw some crazy stuff in Berlin 3 years ago. Far cry from what it looked like in 08 when I spent a couple months there for work. Personally, I wouldn't invite the gov who made those decisions to decide anything about a hobby of mine. But hey maybe it's cultural? Some people just can't get by without being told what to do.
Yes, in theory this could only be enforced in EU once it came to pass.If this changes into some new law or correction to the current legislation it won't matter, companies will have to comply. Maybe only in the EU market (like with third party stores in IOS) or world wide (like USB C in Iphones) depending on what is cheaper to them.
You always get some special individuals seeing anything bad happening (such as Berlin government failing at, well, anything) and blaming it on EU instead of people actually responsible.So no, the "city X has problem Y, the EU is bad" makes no sense.
Pretending the EU doesn't pressure member countries into following a set of rules? Poland and Hungary are being pressured by a force that doesn't exist?Just to clarify:
1. The EU is not a government, but a political and economic union.
2. The EU does not govern over specific countries or cities... How that's done depends on each state constitution and governance structure.
So no, the "city X has problem Y, the EU is bad" makes no sense.
I guess the fact Berlin's problems look so much like every other EU metropolis is just pure coincidence. What are the odds?PS: I lived in Berlin for 8 years. It's a nice place to visit, but I'd never want to live there again. It's a failed state within a slowly failing country - but all of that is "homemade", none of it is on the
Let me walk you down where I think this will go. On consoles it's a lot more simple since you've got one source of distribution with the platform holder. On PC it will require strict regulation. Think about how Minecraft launched. Just one guy. What's to stop the next Notch from making an online game with no offline component built in for EOL? That's where things could get ugly. I'd like content regulation to stop at extreme sexual vulgarity (minors etc). I don't have a problem buying something that might not have offline bots or whatever. I like having the freedom to buy any game I want. I don't need the government to insulate me from the risk of buying a game from a disreputable publisher. I can handle those consequences on my own. If I shelled out $60 for The Crew and Ubisoft cuts the servers, shame on me for trusting Ubisoft. I mean the signs were there. I don't need the gov to step in and protect me from me.Without government rules and interventions you have monopolies, duopolies and cartels. Consumers are screwed and left with no choice. Completely free market only looks good on paper.
Americans are being scared by "communism" on every corner while living in corporate dystopian world. Some form of government regulations is needed to keep greedy corporations in
Let me walk you down where I think this will go. On consoles it's a lot more simple since you've got one source of distribution with the platform holder. On PC it will require strict regulation. Think about how Minecraft launched. Just one guy. What's to stop the next Notch from making an online game with no offline component built in for EOL? That's where things could get ugly. I'd like content regulation to stop at extreme sexual vulgarity (minors etc). I don't have a problem buying something that might not have offline bots or whatever. I like having the freedom to buy any game I want. I don't need the government to insulate me from the risk of buying a game from a disreputable publisher. I can handle those consequences on my own. If I shelled out $60 for The Crew and Ubisoft cuts the servers, shame on me for trusting Ubisoft. I mean the signs were there. I don't need the gov to step in and protect me from me.
I guess the fact Berlin's problems look so much like every other EU metropolis is just pure coincidence. What are the odds?
What forms should future Notch have to fill out before releasing his game? How does that regulation work? We can't just let anyone release games without some kind of confirmation that offline bots are going to be available if the servers go down. Too risky. Swaths of Anthem gamers are on the verge of losing it all as we speak. Cannot let that happen again, no matter the cost.![]()
Actually retarded. Pure neoliberalism indoctrination.
What forms should future Notch have to fill out before releasing his game? How does that regulation work? We can't just let anyone release games without some kind of confirmation that offline bots are going to be available if the servers go down. Too risky. Swaths of Anthem gamers are on the verge of losing it all as we speak. Cannot let that happen again, no matter the cost.
No, the EU does not pressure members into having the problems that you might have seen in whatever city you visited. That's on the local administrations.Pretending the EU doesn't pressure member countries into following a set of rules? Poland and Hungary are being pressured by a force that doesn't exist?
Ever googled "EU Pressures Poland"?No, the EU does not pressure members into having the problems that you might have seen in whatever city you visited. That's on the local administrations.
For example, if a city has a subpar or neglected public transport system, that is for sure not mandated by the EU but a result of an incapable local administration.
Ok we stop killing them
Will YOU keep paying for keeping them alive?
Totally unrelated to my post but okIn 2025 we are paying 80 dollars for empty pieces of plastic (game key carts). They will raise prices no matter what.
There are a lot of mechanisms member countries like Poland and Hungary can use (and are using) so that they can resist the "pressure". Which is a blessing and a curse. But both Hungary and Poland tend to over-dramatize this (mostly for internal political capital).Pretending the EU doesn't pressure member countries into following a set of rules? Poland and Hungary are being pressured by a force that doesn't exist?
Totally unrelated to my post but ok
You said this: "EU gov good? Not often you get someone to admit to that in public, but here we are. Saw some crazy stuff in Berlin 3 years ago. Far cry from what it looked like in 08 when I spent a couple months there for work."Ever googled "EU Pressures Poland"?
tl;dr They are scared, expect way more interference/obstruction if this passes the valid signature threshold.