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[Alfadawg]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lam-hate-crime-brexit-tell-mama-a8457996.html

Islamophobic street attacks are on the rise in the UK as perpetrators feel “emboldened” by terror attacks and political discourse, a report has found.
Tell Mama, which measures anti-Muslim incidents in Britain, recorded a 30 per cent rise in street incidents and a 16 per cent rise in 2017, taking the number of verified reports to a record of 1,201.

The group warned of a “marked shift” towards more serious offline incidents like physical attacks, vandalism and abuse, as hatred continues to spread on social media.

It was only a matter of time. The press share a lot of the blame as well as Politicians in the UK and elsewhere, especially all the BS Trump keeps spouting.

 

[Spheyr]

Whew, they keep up that increase and there may be as many attacks on Muslims as there are attacks by Muslims in another 40 years

 

[infinitys_7th]

Meanwhile, acid attacks are up 600%.

Also, I love that these reports are "verified" by the same group that profits off them. Strange how that goes.

 

[Alfadawg]

Whew, they keep up that increase and there may be as many attacks on Muslims as there are attacks by Muslims in another 40 years

Do you have numbers to back up that claim?

Or are you just showing your prejudice?

 

[DESTROYA]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lam-hate-crime-brexit-tell-mama-a8457996.html



It was only a matter of time. The press share a lot of the blame as well as Politicians in the UK and elsewhere, especially all the BS Trump keeps spouting.

What does Trump have to do with attacks in the UK?
Your obsession with Trump has you unbalanced and always looking to put the blame on him.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Do you have numbers to back up that claim?

Or are you just showing your prejudice?

Why weren't you this sympathetic towards Shiva?

 

[off duty ninja]

Tell Mama, which measures anti-Muslim incidents in Britain, recorded a 30 per cent rise in street incidents and a 16 per cent rise in 2017, taking the number of verified reports to a record of 1,201.

Can someone who numbers better than I do explain what this sentence is trying to state? It makes less than zero sense to me. As if we are comparing street incidents with 2017. How do any of these numbers mean anything at all? And how do these totals somehow create a record of 1201? Its all too confusing for me.

 

[DeepEnigma]

What does Trump have to do with attacks in the UK?
Your obsession with Trump has you unbalanced and always looking to put the blame on him.

TDS. I thought it was a joke at first, but man, I am starting to see it a bit.

 

[King of Foxes]

Islam in its current form has no place in Europe.

 

[DESTROYA]

TDS. I thought it was a joke at first, but man, I am starting to see it a bit.

Unfortunately it’s no joke and 100% real.

 

[infinitys_7th]

What does Trump have to do with attacks in the UK?
Your obsession with Trump has you unbalanced and always looking to put the blame on him.

Trump is always moving the regressive left's stair muffins.

He just can't keep getting away with it!

 

[infinitys_7th]

Can someone who numbers better than I do explain what this sentence is trying to state? It makes less than zero sense to me. As if we are comparing street incidents with 2017. How do any of these numbers mean anything at all? And how do these totals somehow create a record of 1201? Its all too confusing for me.

It means "We promise there is a problem! Give us money!"

I wonder if Sadiq is funneling money to them for "research"?

 

[DeepEnigma]

It means "We promise there is a problem! Give us money!"

I wonder if Sadiq is funneling money to them for "research"?

He did promote a waste money on a juvenile balloon, that could have been donated to help those in need. Women that are victims of violence/assault, children victims of his "normal" acid attacks, etc., etc..

 

[Gander]

Here is the thing, some people may think that it's an intrusion if the U.S. takes Syria and settles the area but is not an intrusion that all the Syria refugees go to other countries and began trying to change their ways? Something has got to give. With Syria settled and owned by the U.S. Syrians can stay in their homeland and of course the U.S. gets the oils resources. It perhaps even becomes a travel destination.

 

[Composer]

Street attacks against innocent people sky rocket in the UK. However, ITT: conservatives shrug because?

 

[Corderlain]

The UK is gonna have to start jailing a lot more people for online hate speech. How else are the poor minorities gonna have somewhere to stay and not assimilate into an already established culture?

 

[AfricanKing]

Nothing can excuse attacking an innocent person because of their race, any one who says Muslims are the problem have not been around Muslims .. just lettings the internet dictate to you about how the 1.8 billion people live their lives is a stupid way of going about

 

[AfricanKing]

Islam in its current form has no place in Europe.

Islam is just fine , your issue should be with how certain secs of Muslims choose to interpret it

 

[DeepEnigma]

Nothing can excuse attacking an innocent person because of their race, any one who says Muslims are the problem have not been around Muslims .. just lettings the internet dictate to you about how the 1.8 billion people live their lives is a stupid way of going about

FWIW: Muslim is not a race.

 

[AfricanKing]

FWIW: Muslim is not a race.

From that whole statement thats the only part you pick up on.

 

[DeepEnigma]

From that whole statement thats the only part you pick up on.

Yes, because you start off your statement misleading, just like how they like to blur those lines for an extra layer of "protection" against people who want to criticize their religious ideologies.

 

[Spheyr]

Street attacks against innocent people sky rocket in the UK. However, ITT: conservatives shrug because?

You and I have different definitions for innocent I guess

 

[infinitys_7th]

Here is the thing, some people may think that it's an intrusion if the U.S. takes Syria and settles the area but is not an intrusion that all the Syria refugees go to other countries and began trying to change their ways? Something has got to give. With Syria settled and owned by the U.S. Syrians can stay in their homeland and of course the U.S. gets the oils resources. It perhaps even becomes a travel destination.

What a load of bullshit. The CIA fostered the civil war in Syria, just like they tried to do in Egypt and did in Libya.

 

[AfricanKing]

, just like how they like to blur those lines for an extra layer of "protection" against people who want to criticize religious ideologie

What the hell are you talking about, innocent people are being attacked for what god they believe in how is anything you said even relevant

 

[AfricanKing]

You and I have different definitions for innocent I guess

whats your definition of innocent when it comes to Muslims

 

[DeepEnigma]

What the hell are you talking about, innocent people are being attacked for what god they believe in how is anything you said even relevant

So which is it, race, or ideology?

Because you started it off about race, then moved on instantly to tie to muslim.

Yes, it is wrong to attack people based on their views, regardless of gender, color of skin, or creed. But let us not confuse race =/= muslim like your sentence read as and a lot of the media and dogmatic people peddle when one tries to criticize Islam; they are also labeled a "racist".

 

[Spheyr]

whats your definition of innocent when it comes to Muslims

I don't have one.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Islam is just fine , your issue should be with how certain secs of Muslims choose to interpret it

In the US it is. Outside, not so much.

We Americans are not seeing the same problems that are plaguing Europe.

 

[AfricanKing]

So which is it, race, or ideology?

Because you started it off about race, then moved on instantly to tie to muslim.

Yes, it is wrong to attack people based on their views, regardless of gender, color of skin, or creed. But let us not confuse race =/= muslim like your sentence read as.

Replace race with religion that's what i originally meant

 

[DeepEnigma]

Replace race with religion that's what i originally meant

I completely agree with you. You can see how they did such a good job "conditioning" that it is often those lines a blurred that we do not even realize we say it ourselves.

There are 3 Abrahamic religions, Christianity, Muslim, and Judaism, yet only 2 blur the lines, themselves, with race/bloodlines, and those same two have special words that get used to stifle discourse when one criticizes their doctrines. Ironic to say the least.

 

[Gander]

What a load of bullshit. The CIA fostered the civil war in Syria, just like they tried to do in Egypt and did in Libya.

What proof of that do you have?

 

[strange headache]

It was only a matter of time. The press share a lot of the blame as well as Politicians in the UK and elsewhere, especially all the BS Trump keeps spouting.

I don't condone violence and physical attacks of any kind. But what's this topic even supposed to accomplish? The way it's framed you make it seem as if the UK is a xenophobic sh*thole only to play your tribalistic political games. Admit it, you don't really give a hoot about these attacks, you just want to rile people up and garner brownie points for your political side.

Where was your outrage when little girls have been systematically raped, abused and forced into prostitution by immigrant Muslim gangs? This systematic abuse went on for decades, with UK citizens and victims alike being ignored by their own police and politicians out of fear of being labeled an Islamophobia. Don't believe me? Then take it from the reporter who broke the story and fought for years against being labeled a racist:



Where was your outrage about the dramatic rise in 'honor crimes', acid attacks and violence against women?

More than 11,000 cases of so-called honour crime were recorded by UK police forces from 2010-14, new figures show. The Iranian and Kurdish Women's Rights Organisation, which obtained the data, called for a national strategy for police, courts and schools to follow. The crimes are usually aimed at women, and can include abductions, beatings and even murders.

How about we talk about the major increase in crimes and violent attacks these past few years? The vast majority of which can be linked to atrocities perpetuated under Muslim faith and tradition. There's a lot of pent up rage bubbling up among UK citizens, many of whom feel absolutely ignored by their respective institutions when faced with these problems on an everyday basis. Instead they are simply being dismissed as racists or reprimanded for "hate speech" while stuff like this is going down:



You really don't think such a situation is putting an enormous strain on civil solidarity? Now of course, many Muslims are perfectly fine citizens, but you can't deny the fact that many of them putting their faith over modern democratic values makes integration efforts enormously difficult. But nah, you're just here to push your political agenda by presenting a one-sided truth.

 

[cryptoadam]

Can someone who numbers better than I do explain what this sentence is trying to state? It makes less than zero sense to me. As if we are comparing street incidents with 2017. How do any of these numbers mean anything at all? And how do these totals somehow create a record of 1201? Its all too confusing for me.

From my understanding

street incidents up 30%

other incidents up 16%

total incidents 1201

 

[Alfadawg]

So innocent people deserve getting battered because a small minority of perverts diddled kids half way across the country?

Why are all Muslims to blame for their crimes yet when some white kid goes on a rampage and murders hoards of kids, he's a loner or worse...it never happened and is fake news.

Open your eyes and your heart to suffering. Turn off the computer, leave your bedroom and go talk to some muslims and see that they are people just like you.

We play fortnite, we love Mario kart and watching terminator 2.

No one is changing your culture bro. Release the hate inside!

 

[infinitys_7th]

What proof of that do you have?

https://www.rollcall.com/news/official-cia-exacerbated-arab-spring-missteps

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/15aid.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/07/2013710113522489801.html

 

[infinitys_7th]

So innocent people deserve getting battered because a small minority of perverts diddled kids half way across the country?

Why are all Muslims to blame for their crimes yet when some white kid goes on a rampage and murders hoards of kids, he's a loner or worse...it never happened and is fake news.

Open your eyes and your heart to suffering. Turn off the computer, leave your bedroom and go talk to some muslims and see that they are people just like you.

We play fortnite, we love Mario kart and watching terminator 2.

No one is changing your culture bro. Release the hate inside!

So what are the incidence rates of these things versus population size for white people versus 1st/2nd generation Muslims?

 

[American]

Whew, they keep up that increase and there may be as many attacks on Muslims as there are attacks by Muslims in another 40 years

Yes. Because the only way to make society better is to attack an innocent bunch of people because a bunch of people attacked other innocent people.

It's nice to see the new face of Neogaf. Disgusting, despicable, racist, transphobic and islamophobic . The centre is truly a great place to be.

 

[AfricanKing]

UK is a xenophobic sh*thole only to play your tribalistic political games. Admit it, you don't really give a hoot about these attacks, you just want to rile people up and garner brownie points for your political side.

The public bought into a campaing to leave the EU based on a shit ton of xeniphoib material peddled my a far right group and it worked . For a moment and even till today Muslims dont feel safe in the UK. Do you need me to show you the posters that where put into the homes of people asking them to " Punish a Muslim" on a certain day. Instead of attacking the OP why dont you attack the story at hand, like what the OP thinks is of your concern.

Where was your outrage when little girls have been systematically raped, abused and forced into prostitution by immigrant Muslim gangs? This systematic abuse went on for decades, with UK citizens and victims alike being ignored by their own police and politicians out of fear of being labeled an Islamophobia. Don't believe me? Then take it from the reporter who broke the story and fought for years against being labeled a racist

Please dont make this about how a group of Pakistani Muslims conducted them selfs, you dont need to ask anyone for them to tell you that what happened in Rochdale was a terrible crime that was done by a bunch of evil men. They where not acting in the name of Islam , they where simply evil to the core. The same way the catholic church was running a paedophile sex ring , i dont sit and blame every priest for the actions of a select few. Being able to detach the actions of someone from their religion is something we need to start doing instead of lumping them all together under the same blanket

Where was your outrage about the dramatic rise in 'honor crimes', acid attacks and violence against women?

Acid attacks are not a muslim only crime here is a study done by the BBC that says otherwise when they looked at the number of acid attacks over the last 15 years :

The findings include:

• The suspect was male 74% of the time and victim was male 67% of the time
• Just 6% of suspects were Asian
• Only one so-called ‘honour’ attack was recorded in 15 years
• Four out of five violent offences never reached trial

The BBC

Instead they are simply being dismissed as racists or reprimanded for "hate speech" while stuff like this is going down:

Nothing is stopping you from talking about the crimes Muslims have committed , but is this really the right thread for that , since when has it become a tic for tac way of living , why dont you make your own thread and argue your point instead of trying to hi-jack another thread which is unrelated

 

[Spheyr]

Yes. Because the only way to make society better is to attack an innocent bunch of people because a bunch of people attacked other innocent people.

It's nice to see the new face of Neogaf. Disgusting, despicable, racist, transphobic and islamophobic . The centre is truly a great place to be.

I didn't say it made anything better, you're reading a whooooole book outta one sentence.

 

[Straight Edge]

I don't have one.

What are they guilty of?

 

[Spheyr]

What are they guilty of?

?

 

[Straight Edge]

?

You said your definition of an innocent muslim is....you don't have one.

 

[AfricanKing]

?

You said

You and I have different definitions for innocent I guess

So whats is your definition ??

 

[Spheyr]

You said your definition of an innocent muslim is....you don't have one.

That's not even close to what was said or my reply.

whats your definition of innocent when it comes to Muslims

I don't have one.

I literally said I don't have a Muslim-specific definition of innocent.

Don't twist words.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

You said your definition of an innocent muslim is....you don't have one.

Thats basically his schtick here. Insinuate something massively prejudiced then play coy about it.

 

[off duty ninja]

From my understanding

street incidents up 30%

other incidents up 16%

total incidents 1201

I wanted to get a better break down of these numbers to try and separate violence from non-violence but there doesn't seem to be a source in the article for these numbers. Just "Tell Mama says"...

 

[Composer]

You and I have different definitions for innocent I guess

That's not even close to what was said or my reply.





I literally said I don't have a Muslim-specific definition of innocent.

Don't twist words.

You are such a massive troll. And the worst part is you don't even have the spine to face up to your hateful statements.

 

[AfricanKing]

I literally said I don't have a Muslim-specific definition of innocent.

Don't twist words.

So why make that comment if you're not willing to back it.

Why comment at all if it means nothing , the context of your comment seemed to read as if you dont see innocent Muslims as being innocent .

 

[infinitys_7th]

The public bought into a campaing to leave the EU based on a shit ton of xeniphoib material peddled my a far right group and it worked . For a moment and even till today Muslims dont feel safe in the UK. Do you need me to show you the posters that where put into the homes of people asking them to " Punish a Muslim" on a certain day. Instead of attacking the OP why dont you attack the story at hand, like what the OP thinks is of your concern.




Please dont make this about how a group of Pakistani Muslims conducted them selfs, you dont need to ask anyone for them to tell you that what happened in Rochdale was a terrible crime that was done by a bunch of evil men. They where not acting in the name of Islam , they where simply evil to the core. The same way the catholic church was running a paedophile sex ring , i dont sit and blame every priest for the actions of a select few. Being able to detach the actions of someone from their religion is something we need to start doing instead of lumping them all together under the same blanket



Acid attacks are not a muslim only crime here is a study done by the BBC that says otherwise when they looked at the number of acid attacks over the last 15 years :



The BBC



Nothing is stopping you from talking about the crimes Muslims have committed , but is this really the right thread for that , since when has it become a tic for tac way of living , why dont you make your own thread and argue your point instead of trying to hi-jack another thread which is unrelated

Considering the OP was just in another thread downplaying political violence, I feel fine giving him a little shot in this one.

 

[strange headache]

Open your eyes and your heart to suffering. Turn off the computer, leave your bedroom and go talk to some muslims and see that they are people just like you.

I confront you with cold hard facts and you're replying with general platitudes? My eyes are open to suffering (I opened my whole reply by criticizing these attacks), but contrary to you they are open to all kinds of suffering, including the one inflicted by theocratic doctrines like Islam.

Also, don't even try accusing me of generalizing as I've already explicitly stated that I'm not accusing all Muslims. That being said, religious bigotry and ass-backwards theocratic dogmas have no place in modern democracies and are outright trampling on enlightenment values. As an atheist, I stand with Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens on this:

Do you need me to show you the posters that where put into the homes of people asking them to "Punish a Muslim" on a certain day. Instead of attacking the OP why dont you attack the story at hand, like what the OP thinks is of your concern.

I'm against "punching Muslims" just like I'm against "punching Nazis", because I'm against vigilante violence of any kind. I'm also not attacking the OP, but the way this thread is framed. By invoking Trump who has f*ck all to do with this, it's doing disservice to such a serious issue only to set up another political shit-flinging contest.

They where not acting in the name of Islam , they where simply evil to the core. The same way the catholic church was running a paedophile sex ring , i dont sit and blame every priest for the actions of a select few. Nothing is stopping you from talking about the crimes Muslims have committed...

First of all, I criticized the catholic sex trafficking rings as much as I'm criticizing the Muslim ones. Second, I'm not talking about the crimes that Muslims have committed, but the crimes that are committed in the name of Islam. There's a big difference!