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Street Fighter V |OTV| BUFF MY MAIN & NERF THE CHARACTER I JUST LOST TO
- Thread starter Garrett Hawke
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Nemesis121
Member
They prioritized their money to show people they won't stand for this, yet they refuse to fix this shitty netcode..
CrackpotDesert
Banned
But he teaches Mahesh to blow fireballs in less than a day...
Augemitbutter
Member
fresh off a maintenance and we're still getting score upload errors. when are they going to fix this?
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
A little fireball. Takes a big man to trhow out a mystery of yoga fireball.
Capcom need the money so they can hire another guy to help the one guy currently keeping the online in check.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Jumped back into ranked last night because casuals had built my confidence but I had been away so long that nerves dramatically worsened my performance and the losses hit me so much harder. Nonetheless, I had some good fights.
Then I fought a Necalli for the first time in possibly a couple of months and his AA jab did so much mental damage I was still haunted by it when I woke up in the middle of the night.
This post is part of my therapy.
I need to stop thinking about the points.
The money is what makes the game run, so it's an important priority, for all of us.
You can say things like "they refuse to fix the netcode" but all we really know is that it could be better and maybe they are working on it. The fact that it's not patched yet isn't proof that they aren't working on it, nor can we infer much about what they are currently working on based on what is and isn't patched in yet.
Then I fought a Necalli for the first time in possibly a couple of months and his AA jab did so much mental damage I was still haunted by it when I woke up in the middle of the night.
This post is part of my therapy.
I need to stop thinking about the points.
The money is what makes the game run, so it's an important priority, for all of us.
You can say things like "they refuse to fix the netcode" but all we really know is that it could be better and maybe they are working on it. The fact that it's not patched yet isn't proof that they aren't working on it, nor can we infer much about what they are currently working on based on what is and isn't patched in yet.
Huw_Dawson
Member
So what you're saying is, folks should buy what was advertised as free DLC to support Capcom?
The solution should have been to take a look at survival mode, not flip a finger at players who wanted to avoid it.
If you have three routes to a destination, one that requires walking on spikes for several hours, one that requires paying a taxi and one that teleports you immediately to your destination, if you take the people who go for the teleportation option and throw them onto the spikes and use the argument that they cheated the taxi driver, doesn't that make you a little bit of an asshole?
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
How can you be mad you got caught cheating? Survival mode sucks. You got to keep the stuff you bought with it. Just keep it moving. The extra colors is not some social injustice you are backlashing against the system for, haha.
Yeah, that's exactly what happened lol
Exactly they should refund people who buy season pass.
But that's what I'm saying. If the mode was fun and doable, most wouldn't bother, because at the end of the day, they're getting the rewards. Because of the F2P system, and how much they put behind Survival is why the mode sucks.
As is, you're looking at an extremely small amount of people that can and will do it legitimately because it's designed to not be enjoyable. It takes a ton of time, it's tedious and there are tons of systems in place to try and get you to fail, like their own servers not being stable.
Nobody is mad except the people who are against the cheating. These people who said nothing about it until Capcom did something about it.
CrackpotDesert
Banned
Is there any reason for me to be using Necalli's dive kick? It's the slowest dive kick ever.
Huw_Dawson
Member
The fact that it flat out wasn't wrong to cheat in this instance is why it's funny. It's universally accepted that survival mode sucks. The fix was to apply a mod to the game (something that is in the case in many other games on PC) that fixed it so that you could avoid playing through the mode and still get access to the free content.
The game had something that sucked, the community fixed it, Capcom punished the community.
It changes your jumping arc, which is pretty strong against some characters like Karin.
Same reason you'd use any dive kick. if an AA with good amounts of recovery will beat jump hp, use that occasionally.
Even without good amounts of recovery. Gief's jab can whiff and be hit by it.
On hit you don't get a ton, but you do get enough with meter to make people scared
Throws off AA normals. For example chun has a hard time AA'ing Necalli if he is using divekick.
CrackpotDesert
Banned
I guess. The way I've been using it puts me in perfect position to eat a shoryuken. I've been playing Necalli for about 2 hours, so it's all uphill from here.
ShinMaruku
Member
Any folks for some sf5?
Just because Survival sucks doesn't mean you're okay to cheat, it's like saying because FANG is the weakest character in the game it's okay to mod him a one hit kill 1 frame jab.
The community didn't "fix" shit, they bypassed it completely, fixing it would be making it an acceptable mode to play.
His divekick doesn't work as well against shoryu's. Light punch dp has enough frames to cover most jumps and divekick timings from necalli
That wasn't really a fixing the mode though. It was straight up removal of that mode. Now if someone had added buyable continues or made it shorter with harder AI right out of the gate then it would be fixed. Having it set on one round with easiest AI is same as you just pressing "give me the FM now!" button.
CrackpotDesert
Banned
For my Necalli vs Shotos, it's do crossups or die.
Huw_Dawson
Member
There are three routes to getting access to all six DLC characters.
One: grind LP via the various methods, the overwhelmingly best route being to get the FM awards from Survival Mode once the other routes are exhausted, as online wins give a negligible amount. Beating survival mode on hard with most of the cast is pretty much required for anyone who wants to unlock the full roster via this method. Nobody wants to grind through the mode, which is awful, just to get enough FM to unlock what was advertised as free. It takes about 40 minutes at least to do one run on Hard and you have to use pause menu strats to win consistently - this has nothing to do with how good you are at the game, and everything to do with the AI being the traditionally awful and unfun SF AI. This is the "walk over spikes" method.
Two: Pay Capcom to unlock everything for you. This is the "take a taxi" method.
Three: Install a mod, quickly get enough fake money to unlock everything. This is the "teleportation" method.
Capcom had four choices: they could have made the cab driver free or much cheaper (obviously not ideal), they could have removed the spikes on the road they anticipated people would walk along instead of paying the cab driver (which would take some development time) or they could say that the easy method made you a cheat and punished you. Finally, they could have taken no action at all.
Three of those options do not involve punishing people who are playing your game, make them feel like cheaters and gimp their save files.
You aren't playing Capcom's game, Capcom's game doesn't give you anything after one round of survival. These analogies are ridiculous.
Your whole assumption that Capcom promised everyone to get all DLC easily for free is wrong. Then they would've just given it away.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Folks should pay for the DLC however they choose. Hacking the in-game currency isn't really a defensible way of doing that.
Of course they should make survival mode more fun. That's not mutually exclusive with stopping people from getting currency for free. Any dev/publisher of a game with currency would do the same.
that's most characters vs most shotos truthfully
Huw_Dawson
Member
No, I think you're not understanding my argument.
There are three options for unlocking the free content in SFV. Miserable grinding, paying up or modding the game.
Capcom had four options. Make the grinding less miserable, make the cost of unlocking everything cheaper, doing nothing or dishing out punishments to those who mod the game.
The reason why Capcom's use of punishment is bad is because:
1. It punishes players who, understandably, did not want to grind or pay for what was advertised as free content.
2. It does not fix survival mode or make grinding for FM any more fun.
It also does not actually fix people modding the game.
It's interesting that you're saying that it's stealing currency. That currency is there for the taking if you actually want to sit down and beat survival mode.
If I hire somebody to sit and grind survival mode for hours using pause buffer strats whilst I sleep, am I still stealing FM?
Plus there's the matter of the colours, which some people do actually want, which are locked behind the mode or the season pass.
Also, I am reasonably sure that the people using the mod have already dropped £40/$60/€60 on the game. This isn't a freemium mobile gacha game.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Was it advertised as "free content" or was it advertised as "earnable" content?
By all means, hire all the assistants you want. I'm sure it'll end up being cheaper than 6 dollars per character, right?
Did people get their colors taken away?
How does paying for the game entitle you to content that is explicitly not included in that purchase?
Huw_Dawson
Member
Excuse me? You can unlock all the colours and characters via in game grinding. It's content that's included with the £40 purchase - it's just behind a miserable grinding experience.
I do want to know though - if someone else unlocks the FM for me via grinding, am I stealing FM? You didn't answer that.
allintospace
Member
Spent a little time in ranked tonight. Started at 1500lp, progressed to 1600lp, then ended the night at 1400lp. It's fine, could have been a worse drop.
What did annoy me was everyones unwillingness for a best of three. In casual just about everyone will go for a rematch, however in ranked, it's 50/50 whether they hang around or flee after a loss. All of a sudden the time spent transitioning through loading screens become more and more apparent.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
What did annoy me was everyones unwillingness for a best of three. In casual just about everyone will go for a rematch, however in ranked, it's 50/50 whether they hang around or flee after a loss. All of a sudden the time spent transitioning through loading screens become more and more apparent.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
It's not stealing. It's also not feasible for the vast majority of people, hence not being a financial concern.
Is your argument really that people should just take what they want if they don't like the terms on which it is offered?
Is your position really that it is wrong of Capcom to stop people from cheating their system?
It's been a long time since I've seen so much jumping through mental hoops on GAF.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Good, we're getting somewhere.
OK, so now I'm going to go into the .ini file of SFV, unlock the framerate so that the game runs 3x as fast on my machine, then use the speed boost to try and get through survival mode grinding faster.
Is that stealing?
We've already established that my *personal effort* in unlocking the FM via grinding is irrelevant - someone else can do it for me, and there's no issue.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
If you can beat it that way, more power to you. Can you? Can anyone?
I'm going to cast a magic spell that hacks the .exe and unlocks everything. Is that stealing????
Huw_Dawson
Member
OK, so that isn't stealing either.
So now I'm going to use a method that's even faster than my 3x speed! It beats the mode in 20 seconds - the one round survival mod.
Now, how can you say that it's not stealing if I beat it 3x as fast, but it is stealing if I beat it in 20 seconds?
Is there an acceptable amount of time or effort that needs to be spent by somebody which serves as a stealing/not stealing threshold?
Just to be clear - I'm not trying to argue some ridiculously insane argument or wind anyone up - I'm trying to explain why I think this was a bad move by Capcom, and it's useful to use this sort of argument to explain it.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Huw is mad, hehe.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Yeah, pretty much.
Damascus had a really good tweet on this subject:
Actually, no - if anything I am more surprised by people defending Capcom here than any actual anger at Capcom. I knew full well that this was risky because I reckoned they'd want to try and force those who avoided grinding to pay for the season pass - we all recognised pretty early on that survival was made as crappy as it was to make FM grinding hard.
That's why I'm trying to get people to see my side. It's a bit of a lost cause on the internet, but it's worth a shot.
A lot of this gets back to game ownership. I paid £40 for my game, and my actions at worse cheat Capcom out of a season pass. (Let's leave the morality of let's-make-the-game-bad-so-people-buy-unlock-codes at the door). We've sleepwalked into a reality where Capcom can lean in to your game and punish you for modding single player content. And there's a defence group for it. That's *crazy* to me.
There's 2 legit ways and there's one way that's basically using hacking the game with Action Replay (Geez do I feel old).
No but those 6 DLC characters didn't come on the disc with the inital purchase either.
I'm starting to think people want Capcom to use the old Super Street Fighter model of their being only 1 way to obtain the DLC characters with cash only, this is why we can't have nice things.
Wow this is a stupid augment.
Ignoring that beating the game at three times the speed is likely impossible, you are still playing through the matches as intended, just faster. One could say that Justin Wong could beat it three times faster than me, and that's all fair because he's better at playing the game.
Bypassing this is cheating matter how much you try this mental gymnastics routine.
This is you: man training for football is hard and unpleasant. I'm going to take steroids. It's bullshit that it's so demanding.
Remembering when nobody gave one iota of shit about the survival mod. Not one single problem with it.
I'll see you all when this blows over.
edit. iota of shit is totally not right, but it stays.
People are only giving a shit now because it's a reaction to modders openly complaining that "their" ill-gotten fight money was "stolen" from them by Capcom or even having the gall to casually talk about actually using the mod.
It's a case of Speak No Evil, Hear No Evil. Like with piracy, people know that it happens, but if pirates aren't actively and openly whining about how (for example) a game crack doesn't work or whatever then there won't be a big hubbub over it.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Steroids dramatically harm your health! Survival mode dramatically shortens the lifespan of your controller!
molnizzle
Member
Yeah, I'm not mad at all. I had purchased the season pass until I discovered the survival mod and then I got a Steam refund on that shit (which is no longer possible for DLC). Considering I only paid like $30 for the game itself on launch day I'm still coming out way the fuck ahead.
Though I did buy the CPT arena stage. And a couple premium costumes. Like 2 or maybe 5 idk.
they still got me in the end...
Yeah dude, this is a way more logical argument. Colors in a fighting game, steroids. Where does it end?
Truth. I need to just step away lol. This sudden outcry is ridiculous. We've spoken about 1 round survival on so many occasions in this thread. Smells like hypocrisy. I did it, I got what I wanted, I have no fight money, I'm content.
I'd honestly prefer that characters just be standard paid DLC that you can buy if you want like other fighters. I buy alt costumes, and they likely wouldn't have jacked the costume pricing up 4x to make up the cost for them.