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Street Fighter V |OTVII| New Generation - Connection To Haters Was Lost
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what's that have to do with not having a main lol
CountBlack
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don't talk down on urien
sixteen-bit
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I remember there being bunch of other japanese players saying this. Itazan is no joke though.
How could you possibly be higher if you don't have a main?
Zombegoast
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Not against St.LK. Seriously that move should not be frame trapped to another St.LK with how little the push back is.
This is the same Cammy who I mirror match and beat everything he throw out. But then I switch to Nash and I can't even press a button.
I will echo this. I imagine it's because casual is the place to go to try out characters and test shit out and see what works and what doesn't, so it can be deceiving If you're cleaning up similarly ranked or higher ranked players there. Once you go back to ranked things get more serious so things you got away with in casual might not fly. People are bringing their A game and their mains. I posted earlier how I lost a chunk of LP doing the same thing.
Yeah, most players on Casual play at a level one or two leagues below the average skill level of a Ranked Player in their league. Maybe they're rusty, less invested in winning, or whatever but the skill gaps are pretty huge.
A Casual Gold is effectively a Ranked Super Silver.
tintin1029
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I never play Mika without using 4th color on her premium.
With Juri it's either color 12 with normal or Color 9 with her story costume
Uhm, delayed tech beats exactly that.
TheSpoiler
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Is 👏Bison 👏Top 👏 Tier 👏 Or 👏 Not
Why is Japan so intent on placing him high and saying he's a problem? I don't have an opinion either way just wondering.
Why is Japan so intent on placing him high and saying he's a problem? I don't have an opinion either way just wondering.
Because they lose to good Bisons tbh. I think if you want to pin it down it's that his offense is actually legit and they don't find consistent ways to beat it.
lucebuce12
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The grey health change really helps Bison who always uses medium or heavy buttons in a lot of offensive situations anyway.
I think its a gameplay idealogy thing.
People from different areas tend to play games differently. That's why they are " GEIF AND BIPSON are a problem "
and were alike " WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH CAMMY"
Who's bopping europe, is it birdie, is birdie running through europe
OmegaTreeFish
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I think this might be more true the higher up you go. As someone who currently plays casual and is silver rank, i fight a lot of people who play there mains in casual only as well as many who seem to turn both ranked and casual on and play what ever connects first.
Makes sense though because once your really invested in ranked (going for gold and above) casual kinda stops making sense apart from to test alts etc.
ShadowKhaN
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Im gold but yea not great.
And yea no char is actually braindead, but when your just not into it, you tend to autopilot and get the illusion that there is no depth there.
I also hate how many people hopped on the character....its a weird ego thing I have idk.
Im about to sit down and write out the pros and cons of every character with a number 1-10 on the significance of that + or -.
Really need to get out of this funk. I feel stuck on autopilot and dont feel like im actually playing against people. It feels like were both just running our autopilots.
Really hate that casual matches group you with equal skill levels. I want to get bodied and have to think. Batlle lounges dont let you filter by reigon...Feels like the only way to play better people is to ask on forums.
stn
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I sincerely hope so! Just buff everyone that sucks. This game is so straightforward that more nerfs will just make characters stale and boring.
CountBlack
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Bison secret top tier huh
lucebuce12
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What's really gonna happen:
Nerf FANG
Improve Laura's neutral
Nerf FANG
Improve Laura's neutral
Karsticles
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I think Japan tends toward slower, more defensive and consistent playstyles. Never forget that in Japan, Megaman is a common MvC2 pick - lol. The West tends to love aggro and mixups. Just think about how Daigo and Valle are so different in their approaches to Ryu in SFIV.
Bison might excel under Japanese playstyles, but I think it might be a combination of regional playstyles, unfamiliarity with the character, impatience, and a lack of very high-level play to show off his weaknesses.
Personally, I think Bison is solid mid tier now, but I really have a hard time viewing him as top tier material. I also think that Bison excels at crushing people who are uncertain about their gameplan, and thus, like Gief, he will always do best when a balance patch has recently come out, and then he will taper off a bit.
Just my two cents.
ShadowKhaN
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What character can play the most lame/defensive/reactive while not feeling like all is lost once they get in?
Omnistalgic
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lol, I would never play Fang and that would upset even me.
Honestly, is the game more balanced now guys? It just seems like the tiers were flipped around, new characters are taking the top spots.
Guile. And I think he might be the only one. Laming people out just doesn't work well in this game.
CountBlack
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lucebuce12
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Only one I can think of is Guile. Others like Dhalsim and FANG are at a serious disadvantage if the enemy gets in.
First 2 are likely, third is straight up impossible.
CountBlack
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How does Urien shake up the metagame? Lol the S2 Meta right now is pure madness/offence. If anything the only character that's shaking up the metagame with something different is Guile.
I'm mainly referring to how Aegis Reflector can shake up certain Urien combos & how characters can get around it (there's V-Reversal, but Urien has some answers for that).
Megaman sucks in Marvel 2, doesn't matter where he is played.
Japanese players swore by Dhalsim in Marvel 2 though and that was actually legit but Sim never came into the limelight. But he was most definitely a high tier character in that game.
Not saying they are wrong or anything. Bison might in fact be top tier.
Japanese players swore by Dhalsim in Marvel 2 though and that was actually legit but Sim never came into the limelight. But he was most definitely a high tier character in that game.
Not saying they are wrong or anything. Bison might in fact be top tier.
It can be done
Stomp now hits in air and can crossup. Headbutt grabs you out of hte air
all medium buttons reverted
Dash punches + on block
EX stomp and headbutt track
Old oki off grabs returned and improved
CountBlack
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90% of the V-Triggers in this game usually become a "welp, how long can I survive now" when activated on hit. It is versatile on other ways though but for combo purposes and what the other characters in the cast can do off a V-Trigger confirm.. it's kinda more of the same.
Ibuki's game plan still
klabautermann
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's also just a bad matchup considering how hard they hit Nash with the nerfs.
TheSpoiler
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Wew I can't wait to see Bisons ruling the tournaments then. I think things being normalized is gonna help variation.
Even Nemo seems to think that. But poor poor FANG.
Even Nemo seems to think that. But poor poor FANG.
I feel like there should be a penalty when canceling into VT since there's no incentive to doing it raw except to give you time to punish a jump/fireball/etc. Cut the bar in half upon activation or something.
Of course, most VTs have a pretty one track focus and this wouldn't change their utility. And now that I think about it I retract this suggestion as a Balrog main.
lucebuce12
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Only buff for FANG I can think of is to replace the poison glob with the character Poison.
Like with a lot of characters it comes down to who uses him
somebody could be top tier but if nobody puts in the work
CountBlack
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Maybe make VT activations on block negative so you aren't put into a mixup from blocking an attack. I think it makes sense, even if it'd nerf Laura and a few other characters.
The Lone Dragon
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It's really not that rare.
I land it pretty frequently in real matches, and I suck at just frames / one-frame links usually.
If someone learns to do it consistently, it will definitely become a helpful mindgame. Most characters don't have moves that can BOTH punish a blocked HP.chop (it's -4) AND beat throws at all ranges. So, it forces the opponents hand.
TheSpoiler
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lucebuce12
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